2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[BobbieL]

KD doesn't have a choice. That ship has sailed and the Nets FO is a disaster.

He does have a choice though. He is hurt right now, and can consider being "hurt'" the remainder of the year. It wouldn't surprise me.

This trade also lowers the expectation of what a star player being traded is valued at. FVV could be had for something similar, and it's something I believe the Suns are actively pursuing once the Raptors GM decides what direction they want to take their franchise.

It's wishful thinking to think KD would want to sit out. There is no evidence he is even unhappy with it all.

And the great source known as Twitter - some guy named Ian Begley - said the Nets have reached out to the Raptors already

[lilfishi22]

A complete shock. I do wonder if Kyrie is happy about this. Not even a huge gamble for the Mavs IMO because if Kyrie leaves they just create cap space for this summer by trading DFS and Dinwiddie.

This feels like a Kawhi situation.

Where would he go? It's not like the LA teams are close to having cap space. The Lakers could have but they traded for Rui instead , though I guess they'd let him walk if they could get Kyrie.

It seems the Mavs wouldn't have traded for him unless they thought he seemed willing to stay.

I don't know why Kyrie wouldn't like Dallas. Dallas is a pretty good place to live, I know most stars love LA/NY.

At worst, they could leverage a S&T with the Clips or something for their package of Reggie Jackson/Powell and Kennard or something.

I think Kyrie leaving is a pretty low risk. No contenders really have cap space to sign him and we know CUban is known for giving out fat contracts (ie KP sight unseen) so I think there's almost a certainty Kyrie is going to get paid in Dallas.

The bigger question is just if that paring is going to work out because if it doesn't, the Mavs are basically out of moves.

[lilfishi22]

I mean, if, BIG if, Kyrie just puts his head down and plays basketball, that's one hell of a talented backcourt. Honestly, that is a pretty bad outcome in my opinion. Cheap price, a rival team we already struggle against, and now two of the most annoying players ever on the same team together.

I didn't want Kyrie, but I sure as hell didn't want him on any major rival or competitor for the playoffs. I think this is a pretty bad outcome for the Suns.

A 2029 unprotected first round pick and some scrubs (don't @ me if you don't think those players are scrubs)? Yikes man, I dunno. The west is fairly wide open so we better upgrade somehow because clearly we didn't have the defense or the firepower to beat the Mavs last year.

Granted, at least the Clippers didn't get him for a cheap price.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you don't want him, someone will. And it's not like Dallas seemingly didn't have our number already so adding Kyrie is par for the course. But ultimately, we should just worry about getting healthy and playing the best basketball we can play.

Also I would note that I'd much prefer seeing the recent offensive development from Bridges over trading for Kyrie.

[Jdiddy701]

Suns are in Brooklyn for a couple of days. Wonder if Book and CP3 are at currently at KD’s house thinking of a game plan to get him to Phoenix. Lol


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[kingstyyyle]

We should for sure get Durant now.

[lilfishi22]

Also I just love how every time a trade goes down, like literally any trade, that doesn't involve the Suns, it's like the James Jones personally gift wrapped a championship to one of those teams by not being involved

The funnier part will be the same people are guaranteed to hate the move that JJ will make next week, regardless of what it is.

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You can bet on it. Might just bookmark this post because you're guaranteed to get some variation of:

- OMG this is all we got and Dallas got Kyrie for a bag of chips!
- OMG we should've traded for Grayson Allen when we had the chance!
- OMG we gave up *WHAT* for him??
- OMG how is *that* going to give us a title??

[bwgood77]

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I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

[kingstyyyle]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

He's already requested a trade once and that was before Irving left. I would be surprised if the Nets didn't trade him.

[bwoolf2]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

We include ayton we better be getting a center because there is no version of this you win a championship with biz and Landale,

[Slim Charless]

Barely starters...OK, lol.

I understand why the Mavericks made the trade - Luka needed help and Irving will help

But DFS and Dinwiddie were valuable rotation players. Especially against the Suns. AS for the Suns, just saw this tweet - get Booker ack, get something for Crowder, get either Payne or Shamet back in the rotation (or trade one or both) - and hit the post ASB hard. The Suns are right there. They stay healthy the rest of the year - they will be a top 4 seed.

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Not saying Dinwiddie/DFS > Kyrie in any shape of form but I think when a big name like Kyrie gets traded most people look at the positives and what the incoming star brings to the able. What they don't (want to?) talk about is the intangibles they give up. Does Kyrie's offensive make up for DFS' ability to guard multiple positions, does he play well enough off-ball with Luka's extremely ball dominant style and will he be able to stay focused on basketball without letting all the other stuff he's into become a distraction?

On the topic of playing off ball, no one comes close to Lukas level of usage except for prime Houston Harden with a 40%+ usage rate. Luka's usage is at around 38% over the past two seasons whereas neither prime Lebron nor KD have ever been higher than 34% usage. When Kyrie played with Lebron and KD, neither guys were much higher than 30% usage. It's going to be a a hella adjustment for both guys.

I think the Mavs got worse today. More so, I think if/when Luka leaves in a cpl years, we can look back on this moment as the 1 the started his departure.

[Djedefre]

Durant would cost us an arm and a leg. Can he stay healthy? Father time snatched CP already, Slim Reaper can't escape it neither. What about good old friend the availability...

[matt131]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

Was it reported that they didn't like Ayton or that they just didn't want to be hard capped? Would they be hard capped if they traded for him now? I have no idea, just wondering out loud.

Also, 100% DA would veto the trade haha

[bwgood77]

A complete shock. I do wonder if Kyrie is happy about this. Not even a huge gamble for the Mavs IMO because if Kyrie leaves they just create cap space for this summer by trading DFS and Dinwiddie.

This feels like a Kawhi situation.

Where would he go? It's not like the LA teams are close to having cap space. The Lakers could have but they traded for Rui instead , though I guess they'd let him walk if they could get Kyrie.

It seems the Mavs wouldn't have traded for him unless they thought he seemed willing to stay.

I don't know why Kyrie wouldn't like Dallas. Dallas is a pretty good place to live, I know most stars love LA/NY.

At worst, they could leverage a S&T with the Clips or something for their package of Reggie Jackson/Powell and Kennard or something.

I think Kyrie leaving is a pretty low risk. No contenders really have cap space to sign him and we know CUban is known for giving out fat contracts (ie KP sight unseen) so I think there's almost a certainty Kyrie is going to get paid in Dallas.

The bigger question is just if that paring is going to work out because if it doesn't, the Mavs are basically out of moves.

There is no reason it won't work. Kyrie has played with big name players and Brunson was a main guy next to Luka...and Dinwiddie. They need to stagger them and Luka needs to let Kyrie handle some but I think he would be fine doing so.

[lilfishi22]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

I don't think this trade made it any less likely KD will want out. Last offseason KD requested a trade and ultimately ended up laying for the Nets without much drama but that was at least partially aided by having Kyrie still there and the belief (imo) that they could still do great things on the court. ANd they did to my surprise but with Kyrie gone....is KD really going to carry this team on his own? He literally left the dynasty that helped him to multiple championships to join up with his mate in Brooklyn.

The pieces coming back are solid and yes you brought up how KD almost took the Nets team past the Bucks by himself but the dude is 35 and they just traded his mate and the only guy that really took offensive pressure off him. Dinwiddie is solid but he isn't going to do that and DFS definitely isn't going to do that. Sure they've added some nice depth pieces around KD but at this point in KD's career, he needs a first mate more than he needs a bunch of officers (I don't know my Navy terminology but that sounds kinda right).

At this point, an especially in light of Mikak's offensive development, I'm much less eager to make a trade that sees Mikal going to another team.

[lilfishi22]

Where would he go? It's not like the LA teams are close to having cap space. The Lakers could have but they traded for Rui instead , though I guess they'd let him walk if they could get Kyrie.

It seems the Mavs wouldn't have traded for him unless they thought he seemed willing to stay.

I don't know why Kyrie wouldn't like Dallas. Dallas is a pretty good place to live, I know most stars love LA/NY.

At worst, they could leverage a S&T with the Clips or something for their package of Reggie Jackson/Powell and Kennard or something.

I think Kyrie leaving is a pretty low risk. No contenders really have cap space to sign him and we know CUban is known for giving out fat contracts (ie KP sight unseen) so I think there's almost a certainty Kyrie is going to get paid in Dallas.

The bigger question is just if that paring is going to work out because if it doesn't, the Mavs are basically out of moves.

There is no reason it won't work. Kyrie has played with big name players and Brunson was a main guy next to Luka...and Dinwiddie. They need to stagger them and Luka needs to let Kyrie handle some but I think he would be fine doing so.

Again, the problem with Kyrie is always less about his play and more about all the other stuff. Sure it's likely they'll figure it out with Luka but that's not a guarantee and neither is Kyrie keeping things lowkey and focused on basketball.

[kingstyyyle]

Where would he go? It's not like the LA teams are close to having cap space. The Lakers could have but they traded for Rui instead , though I guess they'd let him walk if they could get Kyrie.

It seems the Mavs wouldn't have traded for him unless they thought he seemed willing to stay.

I don't know why Kyrie wouldn't like Dallas. Dallas is a pretty good place to live, I know most stars love LA/NY.

At worst, they could leverage a S&T with the Clips or something for their package of Reggie Jackson/Powell and Kennard or something.

I think Kyrie leaving is a pretty low risk. No contenders really have cap space to sign him and we know CUban is known for giving out fat contracts (ie KP sight unseen) so I think there's almost a certainty Kyrie is going to get paid in Dallas.

The bigger question is just if that paring is going to work out because if it doesn't, the Mavs are basically out of moves.

There is no reason it won't work. Kyrie has played with big name players and Brunson was a main guy next to Luka...and Dinwiddie. They need to stagger them and Luka needs to let Kyrie handle some but I think he would be fine doing so.

Best case scenario is it's slightly better than Harden Irving 2.0.

[TeamTragic]

Also I just love how every time a trade goes down, like literally any trade, that doesn't involve the Suns, it's like the James Jones personally gift wrapped a championship to one of those teams by not being involved

SUNS ARE LOOKING TO TRADE FOR A STAR PLAYER

KD - FAIL
Kyrie - FAIL
KD - (guess)

[bwgood77]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

He's already requested a trade once and that was before Irving left. I would be surprised if the Nets didn't trade him.

I know everyone will have wishful thinking on KD like last summer, but in the scenario that KD asks out AGAIN (50/50 at best I think), they will get a lot better offers I imagine.

KD is so old and so injury prone that I don't know why people would give up Bridges for him now. I could understand a little bit last offseason when we thought CP3 had one more year, but are we keeping CP3 and expecting him AND KD to be healthy? And Booker? They are all pretty injury prone. Then you likely lose Bridges, or at least Cam and Ayton and a bunch of picks for a KD that has a couple years left.

In 3 years, when Book has a 1 or 2 left on his supermax, if we don't have Bridges, CP3, KD, etc, or he only has Bridges, he would likely want out.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I highly doubt KD gets traded next week. Brooklyn has too good of a record to tank so might as well play it out.

Now this summer, that franchise has some real self reflection a head of them so anything is possible at that point.

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[bwgood77]

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My typical " everyone already knows this" contribution to the discussion..........lol.

I wonder what realistically they could even offer for the injury prone 35 year old KD.

Ayton (who the Nets didn't want) and Cam would likely be the offer.

Obviously that is not enough, unless they LOVED Ayton and felt they needed a wing shooter, but they really don't.

Now we could throw Mikal in there, but personally I wouldn't want to given he is 8 years younger than KD, obviously WAY less injury prone, and now a solid 2 way player....he is one of the best defenders, can score in multiple ways, is a great passer, etc. I've always felt he could break out and be like Paul George and I think he is getting pretty close.

And the Nets already have O'Neale and DFS, who are not as good as Bridges, but they are solid 3D guys. They have a good young cheap C.

That all being said, I am highly doubtful they trade KD, even this offseason. It is less likely than last offseason I think, and is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

Was it reported that they didn't like Ayton or that they just didn't want to be hard capped? Would they be hard capped if they traded for him now? I have no idea, just wondering out loud.

Also, 100% DA would veto the trade haha

It was reported they didn't want Ayton. Whether that was solely because they would be hard capped or for another reason or both is not known.

Also, KD's trade request also said "unless you get rid of the coach" and they did. And he was very happy this season, according to multiple sources, BEFORE Kyrie came back.