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2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - the calm before the storm

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Who will get the 7/8 seeds?

Pelicans/Lakers
2
13%
Pelicans/Warriors
2
13%
Pelicans/Kings
0
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Lakers/Pelicans
4
25%
Lakers/Warriors
5
31%
Lakers/Kings
3
19%
 
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch 

Post#1741 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:38 pm

spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
All of the teams you listed are treadmill teams at best. If you are ok with not contending for at least 5 years, sure you can build that way. but are you ok with that?


If I know we are improving every year, yes. Right now we are struggling to avoid the play in and the oldest team in the NBA with only a couple firsts in the next 6-7 years.


our record is already better than last year's and this is against a much tougher western conference.


Is it 4 unprotected 1sts, an unprotected swap, and an asset return for Jae Crowder better?
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1742 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:59 pm

Saberestar wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Saberestar wrote:IMO he is part of the problem with this team. He makes everything more difficult for anyone out there.


Mavs fans used to say the same about Powell for years. Yet it didn't appear to affect Doncic's game.

Doncic is playing better than ever without Powell as their starting C, so probably it was true.


A major part of the problem, probably more-so with the team than specifically Eubanks, is that for this team to operate at a high level, we even need a guy like Nurkic to play PG. A run and jump guy like Eubanks is basically has no business trying to make decision out there and he often stumbles when he has to like when he has the ball in no man's land not sure what to do with it. Completely kills offensive flow. McGee is a very similar type of player except we maximised the hell out of him because dude just needed to do 2 things, run and jump with CP3 doing most of the heavy lifting. We don't have that high level PG on this team that is looking to maximise everyone and I kinda feel like that's one of the reasons the vet min dudes all got worse after coming off career years (Yuta and KBD specifically).
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1743 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:00 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:HOLY $&@

Doesn’t this child sexual predator have a realgm account?

Read on Twitter

When I thought this season was already kinda trash, they go throw the whole rubbish dump on it
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1744 » by Slim Charless » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:08 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:HOLY $&@

Doesn’t this child sexual predator have a realgm account?

Read on Twitter


I haven't seen Puff or sunsbum post in the last cpl days...... I'm not saying.

I'm just saying. Miss them.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1745 » by TeamTragic » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:41 am

Durant agreeing with his business partner that he should have chosen the Knicks and Booker with "another one tomorrow".

Pretty awesome. I love this so much because the playoffs are starting next week.

I mentioned this yesterday but this team clearly revolted against Vogel and this garbage coaching staff.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1746 » by garrick » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:55 am



This is actually a good breakdown of a lot of the mistakes we made versus the Clippers.

TLDR: We struggle with physicality on both ends of the floor & our offense is not very efficient.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1747 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:59 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:HOLY $&@

Doesn’t this child sexual predator have a realgm account?

Read on Twitter


I haven't seen Puff or sunsbum post in the last cpl days...... I'm not saying.

I'm just saying. Miss them.

That's not right Slim and you know it

We know what you're trying to get at and we won't tolerate that here

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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1748 » by garrick » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:01 am

TeamTragic wrote:Durant agreeing with his business partner that he should have chosen the Knicks and Booker with "another one tomorrow".

Pretty awesome. I love this so much because the playoffs are starting next week.

I mentioned this yesterday but this team clearly revolted against Vogel and this garbage coaching staff.


I don't think they revolted but if this keeps up big chance Booker asks out if he feels not having a true point guard is affecting the teams success.

Also not sure how the general fan base feels about Booker and if they turn on him like they did with Ayton, most Suns fans have nothing but love for him but with unrealistic expectations from the casual fans to win NOW the level of frustration with his level of play and dysfunction on this team might lead to more negativity towards him which I feel is a little unfair.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1749 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:16 am

garrick wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:Durant agreeing with his business partner that he should have chosen the Knicks and Booker with "another one tomorrow".

Pretty awesome. I love this so much because the playoffs are starting next week.

I mentioned this yesterday but this team clearly revolted against Vogel and this garbage coaching staff.


I don't think they revolted but if this keeps up big chance Booker asks out if he feels not having a true point guard is affecting the teams success.

Also not sure how the general fan base feels about Booker and if they turn on him like they did with Ayton, most Suns fans have nothing but love for him but with unrealistic expectations from the casual fans to win NOW the level of frustration with his level of play and dysfunction on this team might lead to more negativity towards him which I feel is a little unfair.

I'd wager we'd do everything including trade KD to resolve this before we it gets there
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1750 » by Frank Lee » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:20 am

The hits just keep on comin’

lilfishi22 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:HOLY $&@

Doesn’t this child sexual predator have a realgm account?

Read on Twitter


I haven't seen Puff or sunsbum post in the last cpl days...... I'm not saying.

I'm just saying. Miss them.

That's not right Slim and you know it

We know what you're trying to get at and we won't tolerate that here

- LF22


Hahaha

Either way, we better do a head count

(Not laughing at the crime of course)
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1751 » by Slim Charless » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:54 am

Frank Lee wrote:The hits just keep on comin’

lilfishi22 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
I haven't seen Puff or sunsbum post in the last cpl days...... I'm not saying.

I'm just saying. Miss them.

That's not right Slim and you know it

We know what you're trying to get at and we won't tolerate that here

- LF22


Hahaha

Either way, we better do a head count

(Not laughing at the crime of course)


See, lilfish. Frank gets it.

I was just concerned about my fellow Suns fans. The fact that I've gotten into with them on occasion is irrelevant to me seemingly accusing them of being diddlers. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Be nice if they posted soon so we know they're OK. That's OK in the metaphysical sense and the emotional sense. Obviously their not in jail now for sex crimes. Most likely not.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1752 » by LV-Suns » Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:36 am

It is crazy that there is a NBA commercial with a now child predator out there.


The NBA is going to have a lot of scrubbing to do. Actually just burn all the Suns tapes from 2010-2020.


The Suns even donated $5000 to a fundraiser he setup for his dad. Wonder if that money ended up going to the right hands or was he using it for this purpose
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1753 » by sunsbum » Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:45 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:The hits just keep on comin’

lilfishi22 wrote:That's not right Slim and you know it

We know what you're trying to get at and we won't tolerate that here

- LF22


Hahaha

Either way, we better do a head count

(Not laughing at the crime of course)


See, lilfish. Frank gets it.

I was just concerned about my fellow Suns fans. The fact that I've gotten into with them on occasion is irrelevant to me seemingly accusing them of being diddlers. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Be nice if they posted soon so we know they're OK. That's OK in the metaphysical sense and the emotional sense. Obviously their not in jail now for sex crimes. Most likely not.
Bro I'm not the orange diddling bandit ok. I'd have offed myself a long time ago if I had to wake up and look that face in the mirror everyday.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1754 » by Son of Ra » Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:28 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://valleyofthesuns.com/posts/nba-personality-thinks-devin-booker-could-leave-phoenix-suns

NBA personality thinks Devin Booker could leave Phoenix Suns

Devin Booker is the cornerstone of the Phoenix Suns franchise, yet one NBA personality would not be surprised to see him leave for the New York Knicks.

By Luke Duffy | 12:00 PM MST

But is there any way Booker could be gone from The Valley sooner than we think? According to one NBA personality, there absolutely is.

We need to preface this by saying the personality in question, Bill Simmons, is about as polarizing as it gets in the world of NBA media. Quite often he just says what is on his mind despite demonstrating a lack of understanding for cap situations league wide, or clearly having failed to watch enough of a player or team to make the kind of sweeping judgements that he routinely does.

Yet in making the point that Booker could somehow land with the New York Knicks, Simmons does spell out the kind of scenario that is - unfortunately for Suns fans - not that hard to see happening. Especially at a time when players like Stephen Curry are the outlier and not the norm, in sticking with one organization for their entire time in the league.

"See when I think about the Knicks big picture, I think of (Mikal) Bridges, and I think of Booker. And I know, "oh yeah, Booker's never leaving Phoenix", I just don't believe people are in the same place ever in the NBA anymore. We've been burned so many different times."
- Bill Simmons on Devin Booker

That first part is worrying enough in itself, because Simmons is correct. Did we ever think Kevin Durant would leave a fringe contender in the Oklahoma City Thunder, and go and join the best team in the league at the time in the Golden State Warriors? Or ditch that situation for the Brooklyn Nets, where he somehow teamed up with James Harden and Kyrie Irving? Harden - who himself had a pitstop in Philadelphia with the 76ers and Joel Embiid - and who now plays with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. What about Bradley Beal, who owns one of the largest contracts in the league, somehow joining a Suns team that already had two max players in Booker and Durant. So it is certainly not impossible, and it gets worse from there with Simmons saying;

"And if I'm the Knicks, who is going to be unhappy end of April, because we have so many good teams now, there's going to be a couple of teams that are like holy ****, we just lost in the first round in five games. Or oh my God, we didn't even get out of the play-in. We just spent $250 million on our roster, and I think Phoenix is a good candidate for that."

- Bill Simmons on Devin Booker
This scenario looks altogether possible for the Suns right now - because even if they get out of the play-in spots or tournament itself - it is hard to see them beating one of the Minnesota Timberwolves, Oklahoma City Thunder or Denver Nuggets in a first round series. With a lack of flexibility because of the Beal contract and wanting to bring back Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale, what then? Suns fans won't want to admit it, but Booker isn't any different to any other star in the league who fails to break through and then eventually looks elsewhere to try and get over the hump. The Knicks are the example Simmons used, and the prospect of teaming up with Jalen Brunson, OG Anunoby and maybe even Julius Randle could be a tempting one.

None are as good individually as Durant, but they're all younger and their championship window playing in the weaker Eastern Conference would remain open for years longer than this current one in Phoenix is going to. That truly would be the ultimate disaster for the Suns and their owner Mat Ishbia, but Simmons had one more, just as depressing, point to make on the matter.


"Like I thought the Phoenix vs Cleveland game was like the unhappy All-Star game. At various times I was worried about the state of mind of both teams. Then there's the Durant piece we have to mention... he does that interview podcast with Rich Kleiman, which I thought was hilarious to do a podcast with your manager and he's like "I told you we should have done the Knicks" and KD's like "I know, you were right". So the door is open now for the Knicks."

- Bill Simmons on the Suns

Durant bouncing for New York wouldn't be as bad, but the fact both Booker and Durant had questionable demeanours in the aftermath of the Clippers loss is not a good sign. We haven't yet hit the point where Booker even looks like he wants out of Phoenix, but this theoretical scenario is frightening because it does not seem impossible when you spell it out.


As for the possibility and the recent discussion around KD possibly leaving Phoenix, This podcast interview (one month ago)!!

https://youtu.be/QYLCftMDbJw?si=sAWQV76z_4Ok9d8g


at around 58 minutes in has him discussing the above statement about New York! Feel free to make your own assumptions on his interests here?? And if you watch his seeming disconnect with his teammates when on the bench either sitting by himself or just not even talking to anyone, it doesn't really seem that far fetched anymore given the circumstances.

Total, burn it to the ground rebuild let's gooo!
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1755 » by BurningHeart » Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:32 am

This loser is always looking for the next thing. How could someone be so successful and be such a loser. Selfish. Cancerous.

Garbage. Get all these fools the **** outta here.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1756 » by Son of Ra » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:54 am

BurningHeart wrote:This loser is always looking for the next thing. How could someone be so successful and be such a loser. Selfish. Cancerous.

Garbage. Get all these fools the **** outta here.

I'm with you but to be fair it's taken a little bit out of context. It was not about going to the Knicks over the Suns but that he should have gone to the Knicks after the Warriors not the Nets.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1757 » by Saberestar » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:11 am

We are 7W-0L when Eubanks doesn’t play...keep it up!
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1758 » by JDJ26 » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:19 am

At first I was optimistic, but its becoming more obvious its time for the team to do a full rebuild.

I just hope Matt hires a new GM and invests in a competent scouting department.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1759 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:46 pm

Mr ORNG definitely has an account in RealGM. He posted a few times. Not a regular though.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The final stretch & battle for the 6 seed 

Post#1760 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:46 pm

Also...**** KD.

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