Devin Booker

[Jdiddy701]

This has been discussed in the past but if we weren't suns fans and we weren't taking popularity into consideration, who's the better player to start a franchise with? Booker or Zinger?

Would Booker have a team in the playoffs if he was in the East? I think so, maybe even a 5th seed at highest. Hard to think about this when he is on our team.

I’ll take Booker


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[NTB]

This has been discussed in the past but if we weren't suns fans and we weren't taking popularity into consideration, who's the better player to start a franchise with? Booker or Zinger?

I don't know how to be objective about this. I just can't do it.

[lilfishi22]

Zinger has come back down to Earth a little bit since the hot start to the season while Booker had injury time off and is trending strongly upwards. That being said and I know I'm going to get hate for this but in a vacuum, I think Zinger still makes a really strong case. The players in GOAT discussions are invariably SG's (MJ, Kobe) and do it all PF/SF's (Bird, Magic, Bron) and of course you could make an argument for dominant bigs like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem but you could also argue the strength of these bigs may not be as useful in today's spacing focused NBA. So when you look at SG's and PF/SF's, Booker and Zinger fits the mold. SG's will always have a place in any era of the NBA while bigs have changed over time and Zinger now fits the mold of today's NBA big.

I'll be honest, I still lean towards Zinger because of his unicorn-ness. When it comes to players who plays both ends and are near impossible to guard, I think Zinger meets those two requirements a little better.

As to your question whether Booker would have a team in the East in the playoffs? I think they might be in playoff contention now especially had Booker been healthy this whole time, I think he would account for more wins. But still going forward, I might still lean towards Zinger. Booker's are hard to find but Zingers are arguably even more rare.

[bigfoot]

Zinger has come back down to Earth a little bit since the hot start to the season while Booker had injury time off and is trending strongly upwards. That being said and I know I'm going to get hate for this but in a vacuum, I think Zinger still makes a really strong case. The players in GOAT discussions are invariably SG's (MJ, Kobe) and do it all PF/SF's (Bird, Magic, Bron) and of course you could make an argument for dominant bigs like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem but you could also argue the strength of these bigs may not be as useful in today's spacing focused NBA. So when you look at SG's and PF/SF's, Booker and Zinger fits the mold. SG's will always have a place in any era of the NBA while bigs have changed over time and Zinger now fits the mold of today's NBA big.

I'll be honest, I still lean towards Zinger because of his unicorn-ness. When it comes to players who plays both ends and are near impossible to guard, I think Zinger meets those two requirements a little better.

As to your question whether Booker would have a team in the East in the playoffs? I think they might be in playoff contention now especially had Booker been healthy this whole time, I think he would account for more wins. But still going forward, I might still lean towards Zinger. Booker's are hard to find but Zingers are arguably even more rare.

There is a difference I think that will be hard to measure in a statistical sense. Booker's demeanor just seems more like Jordan and Kobe. For example, you see Booker wanting to take on the stopper role late in games too. I don't think Zinger will ever be able to take on a team leadership role like Booker. Does Zinger seem like Duncan ... to me no not really, especially with the shenanigans that happened last year with exit interview, etc. Booker says all the right things and seems very savvy for a 21-year old.

[lilfishi22]

Zinger has come back down to Earth a little bit since the hot start to the season while Booker had injury time off and is trending strongly upwards. That being said and I know I'm going to get hate for this but in a vacuum, I think Zinger still makes a really strong case. The players in GOAT discussions are invariably SG's (MJ, Kobe) and do it all PF/SF's (Bird, Magic, Bron) and of course you could make an argument for dominant bigs like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem but you could also argue the strength of these bigs may not be as useful in today's spacing focused NBA. So when you look at SG's and PF/SF's, Booker and Zinger fits the mold. SG's will always have a place in any era of the NBA while bigs have changed over time and Zinger now fits the mold of today's NBA big.

I'll be honest, I still lean towards Zinger because of his unicorn-ness. When it comes to players who plays both ends and are near impossible to guard, I think Zinger meets those two requirements a little better.

As to your question whether Booker would have a team in the East in the playoffs? I think they might be in playoff contention now especially had Booker been healthy this whole time, I think he would account for more wins. But still going forward, I might still lean towards Zinger. Booker's are hard to find but Zingers are arguably even more rare.

There is a difference I think that will be hard to measure in a statistical sense. Booker's demeanor just seems more like Jordan and Kobe. For example, you see Booker wanting to take on the stopper role late in games too. I don't think Zinger will ever be able to take on a team leadership role like Booker. Does Zinger seem like Duncan ... to me no not really, especially with the shenanigans that happened last year with exit interview, etc. Booker says all the right things and seems very savvy for a 21-year old.

I can respect that opinion. Booker probably has the attitude and mindset of a GOAT level player whereas Zinger might be a little more questionable. Booker also seems to be more composed from a frustration standpoint when the team is bad compared to Zinger who made it known he wasn't happy with the whole exist interview thing.

Zinger does have better clutch time stats across the board than Booker though which reinforces my idea that Zinger is harder to guard and therefore potentially more reliable

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'd argue Booker makes it easier to acquire a complimentary star with him than Porzingis.

We can add any type of star of any style or position and it would fit.

NY is unlikely to seek a max partner for Porzingis who is a big or a player without a 3 point shot.

[lilfishi22]

I'd argue Booker makes it easier to acquire a complimentary star with him than Porzingis.

We can add any type of star of any style or position and it would fit.

NY is unlikely to seek a max partner for Porzingis who is a big or a player without a 3 point shot.

I'd agree to the idea that Booker is a better passer and therefore make other players better around him and also finding another player who plays well off Booker is easier to find than someone who can get their own. Zinger isn't as talented a passer and doesn't always find the open man.

[JMac1]

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[JMac1]

This has been discussed in the past but if we weren't suns fans and we weren't taking popularity into consideration, who's the better player to start a franchise with? Booker or Zinger?

I was in Booker’s camp before the season and jumped ship after Porzingis’ start to the season. But they are both still growing and as of now abooker is ahead of Ziner IMO.

[kennydorglas]

Book has 90k votes so far and he's 9th in the Guard's West All-Star ballot.
Of course he has 30k less votes than Ball but in the bright side, he still has more votes than Jimmy Butler lol

[bwgood77]

Zinger has come back down to Earth a little bit since the hot start to the season while Booker had injury time off and is trending strongly upwards. That being said and I know I'm going to get hate for this but in a vacuum, I think Zinger still makes a really strong case. The players in GOAT discussions are invariably SG's (MJ, Kobe) and do it all PF/SF's (Bird, Magic, Bron) and of course you could make an argument for dominant bigs like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem but you could also argue the strength of these bigs may not be as useful in today's spacing focused NBA. So when you look at SG's and PF/SF's, Booker and Zinger fits the mold. SG's will always have a place in any era of the NBA while bigs have changed over time and Zinger now fits the mold of today's NBA big.

I'll be honest, I still lean towards Zinger because of his unicorn-ness. When it comes to players who plays both ends and are near impossible to guard, I think Zinger meets those two requirements a little better.

As to your question whether Booker would have a team in the East in the playoffs? I think they might be in playoff contention now especially had Booker been healthy this whole time, I think he would account for more wins. But still going forward, I might still lean towards Zinger. Booker's are hard to find but Zingers are arguably even more rare.

There is a difference I think that will be hard to measure in a statistical sense. Booker's demeanor just seems more like Jordan and Kobe. For example, you see Booker wanting to take on the stopper role late in games too. I don't think Zinger will ever be able to take on a team leadership role like Booker. Does Zinger seem like Duncan ... to me no not really, especially with the shenanigans that happened last year with exit interview, etc. Booker says all the right things and seems very savvy for a 21-year old.

Booker's demeanor is more like Kobe than Jordan, but his defense is light years behind either, particularly Jordan. Also, that iso style is not likely to win in today's more efficient NBA unless a player is surrounded by superstar role players. Booker has some decent passing games (though still only has a 1.25/1 ast/to ratio), but down the stretch of games he often looks to play a one man game and do it all himself while his teammates get frozen out. He was shooting terribly all game in the Kings game and almost took our team out of the game because he kept it up. Luckily he turned it around at the end, but that won't always happen, particularly against the quality teams.

Teammates need to stay engaged down the stretch and he needs to trust them, get them involved, so they can be there in late game situations when he should make the pass.

For example, I think Booker now would more likely try and make the play that Kobe made against us in the 2010 Lakers series where Kobe shot up the terrible shot that would have lost them the game, but luckily it bounced to Artest for the winner. I don't see Kobe or Booker at this point making the pass Jordan made to Paxson in the 93 finals to win it. They would try to win it on their own against multiple defenders.

[bwgood77]

Book has 90k votes so far and he's 9th in the Guard's West All-Star ballot.
Of course he has 30k less votes than Ball but in the bright side, he still has more votes than Jimmy Butler lol

I'll be surprised if the coaches don't put Butler in.

[ATTL]

This has been discussed in the past but if we weren't suns fans and we weren't taking popularity into consideration, who's the better player to start a franchise with? Booker or Zinger?

I was in Booker’s camp before the season and jumped ship after Porzingis’ start to the season. But they are both still growing and as of now abooker is ahead of Ziner IMO.

Porzingis started out hot this season and faded as it has gone along. Check his splits this and last year. It may be a trend for him.
http://stats.nba.com/player/204001/traditional/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[sunsbum]

Zinger has too many voices in his camp and seems to be a bit of a whiner.

[gaspar]

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There's a typo in the article, it should read: "15 or more shot attempts" not 25, but the point still stands. Porzingis is a black hole on offense. If you want to be a franchise player you have to pass the ball and make your teammates better.

[JMac1]

This has been discussed in the past but if we weren't suns fans and we weren't taking popularity into consideration, who's the better player to start a franchise with? Booker or Zinger?

I was in Booker’s camp before the season and jumped ship after Porzingis’ start to the season. But they are both still growing and as of now abooker is ahead of Ziner IMO.

Porzingis started out hot this season and faded as it has gone along. Check his splits this and last year. It may be a trend for him.
http://stats.nba.com/player/204001/traditional/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

That appears to be the case. He is actually crying about back to back games as we post. He might have health issues and they wear him down as the season goes.

[kennydorglas]

Complaining about b2b with 22yo is very odd.
I wonder if they'll need to ease his workload to improve his longevity.
There wasnt a lot of 7'2+ guys who handled well 30MPG on daily basis.

[bigfoot]

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There's a typo in the article, it should read: "15 or more shot attempts" not 25, but the point still stands. Porzingis is a black hole on offense. If you want to be a franchise player you have to pass the ball and make your teammates better.

Here is the Melo stats for our team this year ... before you look guess who the Melo leader is !!!

http://bkref.com/tiny/6OJXN

[lilfishi22]

Didn't think about it before but when you posed that question, only one player came to mind immediately

[Sunsss]

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