The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

OGBAH · Post #1761 » by **OGBAH** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:27 am

Add booker and draft prince

Post #1762 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:30 am

GoranTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Anyone think the talk that Philly is working out other early lottery picks means they are looking to trade back in, in order to get a guard too?

I really think Okafor is on the board. If Bender is taken, I would do the 4th for him or Knight and later picks.

I'd definitely do that. I rate Okafor higher than Bender

Okafor better than Bender? Only because Bender hasn't played an NBA game yet.

100%

DirtyDez · Post #1763 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:34 am

GoranTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Anyone think the talk that Philly is working out other early lottery picks means they are looking to trade back in, in order to get a guard too?

I really think Okafor is on the board. If Bender is taken, I would do the 4th for him or Knight and later picks.

I'd definitely do that. I rate Okafor higher than Bender

Okafor better than Bender? Only because Bender hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Okafor would go #1 in this draft quite easily. Bender's ceiling is #3 in a weak draft.

AtheJ415 · Post #1764 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:46 am

OGBAH wrote:Chandler
Horford
Tucker
Knight
Bledsoe

3 defensive players 3 scorers...maybe it could work

I'd vomit at that. Chandler and Tucker are not NBA starters (and if they are they are at best bottom-tier). Horford is too old for our core.

Post #1765 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:51 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
OGBAH wrote:Chandler
Horford
Tucker
Knight
Bledsoe

3 defensive players 3 scorers...maybe it could work

I'd vomit at that. Chandler and Tucker are not NBA starters (and if they are they are at best bottom-tier). Horford is too old for our core.

Horford is about to turn 30. Too old indeed. Pass.

saintEscaton · Post #1766 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed May 25, 2016 5:17 am

DirtyDez wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'd definitely do that. I rate Okafor higher than Bender

Okafor better than Bender? Only because Bender hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Okafor would go #1 in this draft quite easily. Bender's ceiling is #3 in a weak draft.

Off topic but Jah with marginal improvement is basically Robin Lopez tier. He is the closest thing to Boogie if he develops a semblance of a midrange jumper and becomes a passable team defender sv the PnR , he isn't the most agile laterally on switch but is more mobile than most lumbering bigs. His wingspan, ability to pass out of a double /recognize help and get to the line seperates him from the likes of Kanter/Big Al and his finesse, footwork and unlimited arsenal of counters and creativity to invent new moves. He is hard to back down and can alter shots at the rim bodying up, although he doesn't really get many blocks. Bender to me is anywhere from a poor man's Kukoc/ tougher more versatile Mirotic with playmaking to younger Jonas Jerebko/Nemanja Bjelica

Jdiddy701 · Post #1767 » by **Jdiddy701** » Wed May 25, 2016 5:37 am

I have a feeling PJ Tucker will be our starting PF next season if Jimmy Butler comes to Phoenix and Suns miss out on a PF in the offseason.

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letsgosuns · Post #1768 » by **letsgosuns** » Wed May 25, 2016 5:52 am

If the Suns go into next season with the same starting lineup as the beginning of last season except with Horford instead of Markieff, they will still be horrible. Knight needs to be traded. If Tucker stays, he has to go to the bench. The only two people you can possibly consider in the starting lineup from that lineup is Bledsoe and Chandler. Assuming Bledsoe and Chandler are still on the roster, the lineup should be Bledsoe, Booker, new sf, new pf, and Chandler/Len. Then you can have Warren and whoever else off the bench.

thamadkant · Post #1769 » by **thamadkant** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:That McD Gambo piece about pick 4 for star in his prime...

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins

comes to mind.

I think Kings are going for a fast tempo run and gun 3pt shooting team.... so they will be interested in Jamal Murray.

Yeah, but are you sure Cousins is enough for #4? Maybe they should also throw in #8? And why haven't you added all the other all stars to your list yet?

Kings throw in Cauley Stein for Tucker too... maybe a 2nd rounder just to balance it out.

thamadkant · Post #1770 » by **thamadkant** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:06 am

Suns need players who can play defense and score one on one on anyone when needed to.

Hence, I am desperate to get 2 out of Cousins, Butler and George..... get 2 of those players and Suns are up there again.

asudevil · Post #1771 » by **asudevil** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:17 am

1UPZ wrote:Suns need players who can play defense and score one on one on anyone when needed to.

Hence, I am desperate to get 2 out of Cousins, Butler and George..... get 2 of those players and Suns are up there again.

I honestly dont think that's going to be possible with our current situation. Yes, we have assets, but what we have has a ton of question marks.

Len - shows promise, and then vanishes
Bledsoe - knees are a huge red flag
Warren - played decent when healthy, but the sample size is small
Goodwin - plays well when given minutes.....but why doesnt he get a ton of minutes
Bogdan - at this point he's still a Euro guy with no NBA experience

#4 - great pick in a deep draft, but today this pick is a huge question
#13 - late lotto's are in most cases supplement value. They are an add-in to even things out
Miami Picks - Both COULD be great, but their current value is marginal

At this point teams will be asking for the farm, because they arent 100% sure what they are getting in return is worth it. I think right now we need to PROVE our assets are as valuable as we think they are....and that's why i'm almost positive that we wont be seeing a major deal happen with us this offseason.

Frank Lee · Post #1772 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:20 am

Id swap 4 for Noel in an instant. Bout time we get more than a guard from Ky

And pass on Butler... isn't he naturally a SG ?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1773 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:31 am

Was watching Inside NBA a while ago and Grant Hill said the vast majority of people in the NBA are not after the ring, they're after their paycheck.

Another guy said 20 teams know they aren't winning it, so what do you think they're all thinking about.

To me this off season is about whether Ryan McDonough chases his next paycheck or chases the ring.

If you look at all his moves so far, they have been low risk / low expectation moves with little downside to his resume.

Time to stop making fans the losers and give us some reason to believe you're chasing the ring like we are.

DirtyDez · Post #1774 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:36 am

Frank Lee wrote:Id swap 4 for Noel in an instant. Bout time we get more than a guard from Ky

And pass on Butler... isn't he naturally a SG ?

Value wise it's fair but we'd have both Len & Noel hitting RFA the same summer. Even with the new cap that could be a $30M combined for an underwhelming frontcourt.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1775 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed May 25, 2016 7:20 am

Just having a look at recent blockbuster trades:

Chris Paul - 4 players and 1 first
Kevin Love - 1 player and 1 first
James Harden - 2 players and 2 firsts

Post #1776 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed May 25, 2016 8:59 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Was watching Inside NBA a while ago and Grant Hill said the vast majority of people in the NBA are not after the ring, they're after their paycheck.

Another guy said 20 teams know they aren't winning it, so what do you think they're all thinking about.

To me this off season is about whether Ryan McDonough chases his next paycheck or chases the ring.

If you look at all his moves so far, they have been low risk / low expectation moves with little downside to his resume.

Time to stop making fans the losers and give us some reason to believe you're chasing the ring like we are.

This is what separates players from being great. Only so many players really care about winning. I know one guy who is playing college ball and I asked em if you were to get drafted in the NBA who would you not want to play for? He said he doesn't give a crap where he plays if he gets those millions. I feel like a vast majority of players have this kind of thinking.

carey · Post #1777 » by **carey** » Wed May 25, 2016 11:45 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Was watching Inside NBA a while ago and Grant Hill said the vast majority of people in the NBA are not after the ring, they're after their paycheck.

This is what separates players from being great. Only so many players really care about winning. I know one guy who is playing college ball and I asked em if you were to get drafted in the NBA who would you not want to play for? He said he doesn't give a crap where he plays if he gets those millions. I feel like a vast majority of players have this kind of thinking.

That is so annoying. You have to weed those type of players out and not draft them or acquire them. This is why you go through the interview and workout process with potential draftees. You don't care about winning in this league and you don't win. The difference in physical talent for the vast majority of these guys is marginal. What makes or breaks players in this league is their work ethic, desire, and heart. I know it sounds cliché but I believe it.

Years90Suns · Post #1778 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed May 25, 2016 11:52 am

alphagorilla wrote:Knight, Len, Warren, #13 #28 for Butler

#4 for Noel

Bledsoe
Booker
Butler
?
Noel

Don't think that is way tooooo many assets for one player?

Post #1779 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:11 pm

carey wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Was watching Inside NBA a while ago and Grant Hill said the vast majority of people in the NBA are not after the ring, they're after their paycheck.

This is what separates players from being great. Only so many players really care about winning. I know one guy who is playing college ball and I asked em if you were to get drafted in the NBA who would you not want to play for? He said he doesn't give a crap where he plays if he gets those millions. I feel like a vast majority of players have this kind of thinking.

That is so annoying. You have to weed those type of players out and not draft them or acquire them. This is why you go through the interview and workout process with potential draftees. You don't care about winning in this league and you don't win. The difference in physical talent for the vast majority of these guys is marginal. What makes or breaks players in this league is their work ethic, desire, and heart. I know it sounds cliché but I believe it.

Absolutely agree.

Years90Suns · Post #1780 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:18 pm

Trading Booker will not make us a better team. Also I do not know where this idea of getting Davis or Towns comes from?

Perimeter guys are more decisive than post players. Booker is as good a SG as Davis or Towns are good PFs. What has Davis got for his Pelicans since he is in the league? Yes, he is an incredible statistical player that many times has to get his own shots, but he is not making any of his collegues around better, neither is he making his team get a better W-L mark.

The way of getting a best team does not go through a Booker trade. We have other assets that could be enticing for other teams.

I would not move Chandler unless he asks for that. We need his veteran leadership for the group and his presence inside the paint.

Going after Horford, Batum and Barnes seem good ideas, although we should try to get a good SF by trading Knight and one or two of our picks. Also trading one or two of our future picks will not hurt much, as we have plenty of young guys here already: Bogdanovic, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Len...

Bledsoe
Booker
XXX (for Knight and #4 and next year's pick)
Horford
Len
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XXX (FA)
Goodwin
Bogdanovic
Warren
Tucker
Teletovic
Maker
Chandler

That seems like a good roster to me.