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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

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What direction would you like the front office to take?

Keep developing young guys and keep first rounders
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Trade our 18 first/Jackson and whatever else for best player available
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11%
Trade whatever it takes for vet PG and maybe also vet PF
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Trade vets for expiring contracts and 2nd rounders
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1761 » by JMac1 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:01 am

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JMac1 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-here-are-25-players-who-could-be-moved-before-the-deadline/

Anybody like anybody?


Cousins
Mirotic
Evans.....


Really just Cousins for me. Mirotic would only take minutes away from Chriss, Bender unless we are trading them, but I think their ceiling is much higher than Mirotic. Evans we could get in free agency so might as well wait on him. We could get Cousins in free agency too though.



My bad. I was just pointing out the players I liked. I know we can’t get all of them.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1762 » by nevetsov » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:25 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Any interest in Tyler Johnson $19m per season for 2 seasons?

Probably get him for the equivilent of nothing.


OH HEEELLLLL NAW!

I mean, no thanks.


Maybe if it included BKnight's remaining 2.5 years at $15m per heading outbound. Given Tyler is only on chump change this season, there's only around an $2m total difference owed over the remaining life of the contract. But given BK is injured for 20% of that, to me it basically evens out. We're not in cap hell and would probably pay a little extra if it meant getting a serviceable 3&D PG to step in immediately.

Second rounders are worth around $3m, so if MIA included filler we could flip for a second, I'd listen.

How about:

PHX swaps BKnight for Tyler Johnson, Wayne Ellington (expiring $6m filler, flipped for 2nd if possible or bought out)
MIA swaps Tyler J, Ellington, Winslow, for DeMarre Carroll
BRK swaps Carroll for Knight, Winslow

PHX gets a working PG now in exchange for one that won't be back until next season. Arguably a better fit, a pretty dogged defender from what I've seen and a good 3pt shooter. Only 25. Total money owed is about the same ($7m+$15m+$15m for BK, $2m+$19m+$19m for Tyler).

MIA turn a bunch of benchies into a veteran wing who has reclaimed some value in BRK. He would definitely help them continue their push towards the playoffs, having extensive playoff experience with ATL.

This is such a BRK move. Took on Carroll a few years back for a bad contract, worked him back into form, and now they can flip him for another young piece in Justise Winslow. Obtaining Knight, who is still young but a bit of a question mark right now has reclamation project (basically, fix and flip) written all over him. And he doesn't affect their tank at all this year because he's out until the offseason.
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Post#1763 » by Revived » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:47 am

The guy we should target is Shabazz Napier. He’s thriving whenever he starts for the Blazers but too bad they have already have Lillard and McCollum ahead of him.

Even LeBron is a huge fan of Napier iirc.

Fact that he plays so well in Stotts system is good because the Triano runs something similar here in Phoenix...Triano used to be the lead asisistant in Portland as well.

I’d trade the Bucks 2nd round pick plus Ulis for Napier.
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Post#1764 » by Revived » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:50 am

BTW I remember when the Dragic trade was made, many Suns fans on social media were ecstatic about the 1st rounders the Suns got thinking their gonna be very good because Wade/Bosh will be old by then etc.

Never doubt Pat Riley. Just like the Heat pick this year will be bad, I’d wager a ton of money of that the unprotected 2021 pick will also be a bad 1st round pick as long as Pat Riley is in charge. He knows what he’s doing.
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Post#1765 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:59 am

What would Napier's extension cost and is it for starter or backup?
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Post#1766 » by Christine-In-AZ » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:09 am

Revived wrote:BTW I remember when the Dragic trade was made, many Suns fans on social media were ecstatic about the 1st rounders the Suns got thinking their gonna be very good because Wade/Bosh will be old by then etc.

Never doubt Pat Riley. Just like the Heat pick this year will be bad, I’d wager a ton of money of that the unprotected 2021 pick will also be a bad 1st round pick as long as Pat Riley is in charge. He knows what he’s doing.


End of the lottery last year

just sayin'
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1767 » by jredsaz » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:43 am

JJ13 wrote:surprised there's not more love for Whiteside. Dude is a beast...slow start to season after the injury, but a really nice rim protector with efficient scoring. Heat are trying to offload contracts, can likely be had for cheap-ish


I just don't think he is that good.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1768 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:22 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
Revived wrote:BTW I remember when the Dragic trade was made, many Suns fans on social media were ecstatic about the 1st rounders the Suns got thinking their gonna be very good because Wade/Bosh will be old by then etc.

Never doubt Pat Riley. Just like the Heat pick this year will be bad, I’d wager a ton of money of that the unprotected 2021 pick will also be a bad 1st round pick as long as Pat Riley is in charge. He knows what he’s doing.


End of the lottery last year

just sayin'


And two firsts no matter where they land is a great return for an expiring free agent who wants out and would leave for nothing.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1769 » by NavLDO » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:
My dreams of finding our next great center in this draft have gone out the window with our recent winning streak.

Moving up on draft day would be too expensive.


I'd purpose something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yauuo63x

LAC (Gets something for Jordan)
-Monroe
-Bucks 1st (via suns
-2 second rounders from the Suns

Indiana (Dumps contracts, get two picks, a young player with potential, and a legit center)
-Jordan
-Jackson
-Suns 2018 1st
-Miami 2018 1st

Phoenix (Gets their 5 of the future, takes on some salary)
-Myles Turner
-Al Jefferson
-Thad Young

So we lose Jackson, 3 1st rounders (Miami 18, Bucks 1st, Suns 18), and 2 seconds.

PG Knightmare/Ulis
SG Booker/Daniels/Reed
SF TJ/Thad
PF Chriss/Bender
C Myles/Len/Sauce

Chandler, Dudley, Jefferson all rot on the bench collecting golden parachute money. Then we make a run at a PG via trade or 2019 free agency when Dudley, Chandler, Jefferson all come off the books.


This just grates me to no end...not your trade scenario; it's not that bad, or anything. I personally am not crazy about it, just to get a Center, but my point is, we have Len, and while yes, Myles is a better option, he's not 3 1sts and JJ better...not even close. Yet we are just going to let Len walk out his merry way...

http://bkref.com/tiny/gvVnj

Look at the comparison, and yes, I get it's not all about stats, but Len is better than his stats in some ways, too...

It just makes ZERO sense why we are not starting Len this year, over Chandler. We can ONLY gain from it. Chandler can be traded to a contender and we can attempt to rebuild any goodwill possible with Len, and maybe re-sign him at year's end.

But instead, we are making trade proposals for a Center that, in reality, isn't all that much better than what we have in house, and are offering 3 x 1sts and our #4 overall pick from less than a year ago. To me, that's a poor investment.

Again, Lukas, this isn't on you or your proposal, per se, but more on our fearless leader.


I like Len, far more than most, and always said I'd give him a small contract. But he has regressed a bit as rim protector at 1 rpg and 1.6 per 36 and has been focusing more on right things offensively, but is still inconsistent. Can be great rebounder but not always is.

Not sure why he doesn't start but there could be a lot of reasons. Maybe Booker and starters play better with Chandler, the vet presence out there and Chandler is under contract this year. Triano has said he really helps with starters directing defensive rotations. Monroe helps with assists, which is good given our lack of assists and PG. Len is good with second unit.

I know you have mentioned Len does better when starting and more minutes, which is true for a lot of players, but players simply should do well in whatever role they have (and Triano likes him with the bench). Anyway, he may not re-sign anyway and we may find a better rim protector and shooter in the draft. Jackson Jr probably already projects as a better defender, rim protector and can hit the 3. Bamba actually a great rim protector. Plenty of Cs in free agency.

Bender may start looking better at C...if he fills out I think he will be a better shot blocker, defender and can stretch the floor and hit the 3. Play Tyson when need vet/traditional and Bender for small ball if you don't draft one or sign one. We might sign someone cheap like Dedmon if Atlanta drafts Ayton or Bamba...who knows. No need to keep harping on Len....I think we know your opinions on the matter...same goes for Warren. I agree with a lot of it but I don't think anything said is new at this point, or has been for awhile.


So true...on Len, at least, but even yesterday, I responded a 2nd time to lilfishi regarding Warren NOT being a centerpiece, so I can look at things with more of an open mind.

And yes, I'm sure there ARE good reasons for starting Chandler over Len, but I just hate to see that opportunity walk out the door...a top 5 pick that we've seemingly just given up on ever being our starter of the future. Part of it is just the frustration of feeling that Len could to more to help the team than Chandler, but as fans, we, and heck, even the players, are not often privy to the designs of the decision makers. I didn't see this before I posted last night...sorry...but I'll do my best to bite my tongue on the Len and Warren stuff...at least, unless it's from a different viewpoint than taken previously...
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1770 » by NavLDO » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:29 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Did anyone check out this article?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/01/09/phoenix-suns-nba-draft-lottery-jay-triano-devin-booker/1018511001/

Mentions we are 13-17 under Triano when Devin Booker is playing. Actually, we are 13-16 if under Triano and both Booker/Warren are playing. That's not too bad. Had we fired Watson immediately after last season and had JT at beginning of the off-season perhaps we'd see a different ripple effect where Bledsoe/Booker are dynamite and we may be closer to a .500 ball club, and we'd be actively on the trade market dangling our picks.

Now people are mentioning Avery Bradley, but it may take a 1st to acquire him. I'd rather go for George Hill where we may get an additional asset back, such as 2 2nd round picks. It isn't much, but Hill would basically be expiring next year, and he played very solid basketball for the Jazz last year. Bradley would also hinder our ability to offer a max contract to a free agent in the summer of 2019 if we give Bradley any kind of contract he is looking for (likely at least $16mil a year).


Nothing for Bradley since he's a free agent. We could decide then. I think he might be a McD target. I imagine the Pistons will hold onto as they try to make the playoffs. Hill for 2nds maybe depending on cap space plans. He is shooting 47% from 3. I'd still like to see what Davon Reed can do and give him some playing time down the stretch. And Daniels can shoot the 3 (over 40%) and is cheap. Canaan hits the 3 pretty well. I don't know if Hill moves the needle over these guys much and he is really expensive and leaves us little free agent options. I think Reed deserves a chance and if Canaan and Daniels keep playing fairly well, not sure the contract cost and cap space is worth it.

You might have a point. $40m in guaranteed money over the next two seasons is a lot of money for a decent but potentially non game changing upgrade. It's risky when we already have $30m in Knight. I want to see Reed perform but I'm not optimistic that he'll be producing right away.


I'm all for McD finding a way to use our Cap space to the maximum of it's capacity...this season. But if it ties our hands AFTER this season?? I am 100% against it, unless, of course, the player we bring in is one McD sees being in our long-term plans and is either a rising star or a young star. But tying up our Cap space next season for a 30+ year old 'borderline starter' type, regardless of who it is...well, I personally think that would be a huge mistake. We don't need anymore Vets at any positions; Canaan seems to be exactly what we need for the short term.

If we can augment 'him' with an extra youngster who is better than Ulis from a team with seemingly deep pockets at the PG position, say Chicago with Jerian Grant, Denver with Mudiay, Brooklyn with Dinwiddie/Russell, Bucks with Brogdon, Sixers with McConnell, or the Blazers with Napier, then that would be fantastic, and McD should be exploring those options.

But guys like Hill, Rubio, Conley, Dragic, etc., that will only help us short term, stagnate our rebuild, and put us right back where we are in a few years when they retire, and, oh BTW, not take us to the Finals because they aren't really that good, is counter-intuitive to what we are trying to do here, IMO. I would just as soon wait until next season and start fresh with a new rookie PG that will grow with the youngsters we have, and keep BK until we can upgrade him.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1771 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:46 pm

But guys like Hill, Rubio, Conley, Dragic, etc., that will only help us short term, stagnate our rebuild, and put us right back where we are in a few years when they retire, and, oh BTW, not take us to the Finals because they aren't really that good, is counter-intuitive to what we are trying to do here, IMO. I would just as soon wait until next season and start fresh with a new rookie PG that will grow with the youngsters we have, and keep BK until we can upgrade him.



Damn the on coming word bomb... full steam ahead.

I dont get this thinking. First of all, the rebuild is over. We are now recycling (see Len, see BK) We essentially have one more lotto, likely a late one due to odds. Our pieces are in place. Looks like McD was reasonably successful in filling 80% of the needs...IF we see continued improvement with the first and second year guys.

Adding a rookie PG is yet another dice roll at a vital position.... and our biggest weakness. It very well may be another 2-3 years before a rook is capable of running this team effectively.... and no guarantees he will. Id say the correct strategy is to find a proven PG who needs no seasoning, but rather just an adjustment period playing with this crew. I do not think BK is this player, but that was certainly the intention.

BTW, those four guys you listed will be playing for the next 5-6 years. And put your Dragic bias aside. He is exactly the type of player we need here. A veteran guard capable of running a team, and inked up reasonably for the next 2 years. He wont be demanding a max deal for his next contract and should be productive for another 4-5 years. I'd love a healthy Mike Conley except for his choking price tag. Rubio would be a massive upgrade... even with his shooting woes. I dont know about Hill, but both he and Tyreke are minimal risk trial run bandaids. Kemba, on the other hand carries a little more financial risk. He has one more year then its brinks truck time. Is he worth it? He's a stat filling machine right now. He's going to want 20+ mill easy.... and likely get it. No way you trade for him, UNLESS you accept that. Im willing to, if the deal is right. Monroe, Ulis and two picks should be enough. We have two to spare.

No way I want this PG deficiency problem resting on the shoulders of Brandon Knight and what ever rookie falls to us. Going the rookie / Knight route is kicking the 'obvious' can down the road.... but its a cheap bumpy road full of pot holes that we wont be able to get off fast enough.

This is where you have to give to get, much like Riley did a few years ago when he stole Dragic.




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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1772 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:29 pm

NavLDO wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Nothing for Bradley since he's a free agent. We could decide then. I think he might be a McD target. I imagine the Pistons will hold onto as they try to make the playoffs. Hill for 2nds maybe depending on cap space plans. He is shooting 47% from 3. I'd still like to see what Davon Reed can do and give him some playing time down the stretch. And Daniels can shoot the 3 (over 40%) and is cheap. Canaan hits the 3 pretty well. I don't know if Hill moves the needle over these guys much and he is really expensive and leaves us little free agent options. I think Reed deserves a chance and if Canaan and Daniels keep playing fairly well, not sure the contract cost and cap space is worth it.

You might have a point. $40m in guaranteed money over the next two seasons is a lot of money for a decent but potentially non game changing upgrade. It's risky when we already have $30m in Knight. I want to see Reed perform but I'm not optimistic that he'll be producing right away.


I'm all for McD finding a way to use our Cap space to the maximum of it's capacity...this season. But if it ties our hands AFTER this season?? I am 100% against it, unless, of course, the player we bring in is one McD sees being in our long-term plans and is either a rising star or a young star. But tying up our Cap space next season for a 30+ year old 'borderline starter' type, regardless of who it is...well, I personally think that would be a huge mistake. We don't need anymore Vets at any positions; Canaan seems to be exactly what we need for the short term.

If we can augment 'him' with an extra youngster who is better than Ulis from a team with seemingly deep pockets at the PG position, say Chicago with Jerian Grant, Denver with Mudiay, Brooklyn with Dinwiddie/Russell, Bucks with Brogdon, Sixers with McConnell, or the Blazers with Napier, then that would be fantastic, and McD should be exploring those options.

But guys like Hill, Rubio, Conley, Dragic, etc., that will only help us short term, stagnate our rebuild, and put us right back where we are in a few years when they retire, and, oh BTW, not take us to the Finals because they aren't really that good, is counter-intuitive to what we are trying to do here, IMO. I would just as soon wait until next season and start fresh with a new rookie PG that will grow with the youngsters we have, and keep BK until we can upgrade him.


Agree to a certain extent. The reason I wouldn't mind Hill or even Dragic is because they are both fairly efficient players and their contracts don't run past next season. I'm not sure with the way the roster is currently constructed that any big name free agents this off-season want to join us. Now, maybe next season we are playing .500 ball and we are getting positive criticism from the media and all-stars are starting to take notice, maybe then we can use such contracts (Hill, Chandler, Dudley) to upgrade our roster via trade or even in the 2019 off-season to sign some top tier free agents.

This is why I'm against trading for Conley since his contract is longer than that, and even Whiteside. Whiteside also seems to have character issues and I'm not sure he really cares too much about winning a championship. Now if we were to trade for Whiteside and Dragic and kept our youth, then I think we would have a fairly balanced roster however we'd have to expect a lot of internal development from the younger guys to be considered contenders.

Tough position to be in really, but I think I'd prefer to just stand pat right now, and maybe see if we can go after Aaron Gordon in the off-season. I know he's a RFA, but maybe he pulls a Joe Johnson and says he doesn't want to stay in Orlando and we do a sign-&-trade deal. The Magic are likely to keep him but they do have a new GM so perhaps they want a fresh start without anymore big contracts looming.

If not AG then Boogie is the other obvious choice, but he'd have to see see that we are capable of being a playoff team next year. I'm actually hoping the Pelicans make the playoffs this year and just get swept in the first round so Boogie sees that they really don't have any room for improvement since they would be capped out if he stays in New Orleans.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1773 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:29 pm

Revived wrote:BTW I remember when the Dragic trade was made, many Suns fans on social media were ecstatic about the 1st rounders the Suns got thinking their gonna be very good because Wade/Bosh will be old by then etc.

Never doubt Pat Riley. Just like the Heat pick this year will be bad, I’d wager a ton of money of that the unprotected 2021 pick will also be a bad 1st round pick as long as Pat Riley is in charge. He knows what he’s doing.


Yup

He is going to compete no matter what. The Heat are on 'His' timeline.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1774 » by Stark » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:27 pm

How about trading someone like Jordan Clarkson? Lakers still want to shed some salary. He is better than our PG's and can play off-ball SG when Booker is controlling the offence. He makes us better. If he plays good we can keep him or just let his contract finish and if we find a better PG than Clarkson sixth man role is still perfect for him. Instead of going after players that we know their limit (Dragic,Conley) finding players that can blossom in a new role and a system is an ideal scenario for me.
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Post#1775 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:39 pm

Canaan 15 points, 7 assists per 36 @ 124 O-Rating
Clarkson 21 points, 4 assists per 36 @ 103 O-Rating
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Post#1776 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:54 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
But guys like Hill, Rubio, Conley, Dragic, etc., that will only help us short term, stagnate our rebuild, and put us right back where we are in a few years when they retire, and, oh BTW, not take us to the Finals because they aren't really that good, is counter-intuitive to what we are trying to do here, IMO. I would just as soon wait until next season and start fresh with a new rookie PG that will grow with the youngsters we have, and keep BK until we can upgrade him.



Damn the on coming word bomb... full steam ahead.

I dont get this thinking. First of all, the rebuild is over. We are now recycling (see Len, see BK) We essentially have one more lotto, likely a late one due to odds. Our pieces are in place. Looks like McD was reasonably successful in filling 80% of the needs...IF we see continued improvement with the first and second year guys.

Adding a rookie PG is yet another dice roll at a vital position.... and our biggest weakness. It very well may be another 2-3 years before a rook is capable of running this team effectively.... and no guarantees he will. Id say the correct strategy is to find a proven PG who needs no seasoning, but rather just an adjustment period playing with this crew. I do not think BK is this player, but that was certainly the intention.

BTW, those four guys you listed will be playing for the next 5-6 years. And put your Dragic bias aside. He is exactly the type of player we need here. A veteran guard capable of running a team, and inked up reasonably for the next 2 years. He wont be demanding a max deal for his next contract and should be productive for another 4-5 years. I'd love a healthy Mike Conley except for his choking price tag. Rubio would be a massive upgrade... even with his shooting woes. I dont know about Hill, but both he and Tyreke are minimal risk trial run bandaids. Kemba, on the other hand carries a little more financial risk. He has one more year then its brinks truck time. Is he worth it? He's a stat filling machine right now. He's going to want 20+ mill easy.... and likely get it. No way you trade for him, UNLESS you accept that. Im willing to, if the deal is right. Monroe, Ulis and two picks should be enough. We have two to spare.

No way I want this PG deficiency problem resting on the shoulders of Brandon Knight and what ever rookie falls to us. Going the rookie / Knight route is kicking the 'obvious' can down the road.... but its a cheap bumpy road full of pot holes that we wont be able to get off fast enough.

This is where you have to give to get, much like Riley did a few years ago when he stole Dragic.




Yes... I said 'stole'


I think each situation needs to be looked at independently. As far as rookie PG's it's really just three guys that could potentially be the answer next year Doncic (if you consider him a PG), Young, and Sexton. If the cards fall and they end up with any of those three I think it is reasonable to give them a shot at being the PG of the future. I think all three guys are ready to play for various reasons.

Now I'm not against adding a vet PG but let's look at each option.

Dragic - sure he would be a good fit but the Heat are playing very well why would they trade him?

Conley- money and injuries are a concern but good player sure. I just don't see Memphis moving him now. For one why would they trade him coming off this injury when his value is diminished. Plus they owe a 2019 first to Boston so I don't expect them to rebuild until that pick is conveyed I think they will try to do a quick little reset this summer and give it one last go with him and Gasol.

Rubio- I can't sign off on putting a non shooter at PG. It makes them too damn easy to defend.

Hill- I don't hate the fit but with this team getting better why not challenge themselves to use that cap space this summer to get an even better player. If they fail he might still be there and available for nothing in July.

Kemba- I can get behind this acquisition as a long as the price tag isn't completely ridiculous.

Evans- playing well but he's not a PG so not sure he really helps develop other players. Plus I do worry he's gunning for a payday this offseason and would be looking put up stats and not play withing the confines of the offence. Plus you're only getting him for half a season and I don't think the math works out for a playoff run so I don't really see the point. Adding Evans would mean point Booker, something I'm fine with them trying but if they are going to do that why not experiment with guys like Reed and Jackson next to him since they are actually under contract next season unlike Evans.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1777 » by Stark » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:17 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Canaan 15 points, 7 assists per 36 @ 124 O-Rating
Clarkson 21 points, 4 assists per 36 @ 103 O-Rating


Thanks for reminding their stats. I'm not saying that Clarkson is our solution to our future pg situation but we can have him for cheap and give it a try. Generally every player who changes team and gets better is worse in their previous teams but that's how you can find a gem.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1778 » by Saberestar » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:36 pm

I'm torn between trading for a veteran PG at this point of the season or staying pat. Not sure about it.

I wanted to add a PG just after the Bledsoe's trade. At that moment it was probably more difficult because a lof of players couldn't be traded until Dec 15, so I understand why we didn't make a trade.

Four players that are solid options:

Avery Bradley is a really good fit next to Booker because of his defense/3p shooting, but he is gonna be so difficult to get. A lot of teams are gonna be interested in him as a FA in the summer and The Pistons are not trading him.

Dragic would be great next to Booker too IMO, and I agree about him being really good for the next 4 years or so...he is crafty. The Heat are not gonna trade him, they are a playoff team.

Tyreke is an interesting player. Not sure about the fit...but he would be un upgrade. The easiest to get.

I love Conley, but the Grizzlies are not gonna trade him. Marc wants to compete and they are not rebuilding yet.

At the end of the day I am gonna be happy with our young core if we don't make trades and stay competitive in games and our players show improvement. The last few games have been encouraging.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1779 » by jcsunsfan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Anyone read this yet?
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/1/11/16878016/asset-watch-what-picks-and-players-the-phoenix-suns-have-for-trade-season-timeline

Had not realized Warren was putting up 24 points the past 10 games. He kind of has that Marion game, where he just gets overlooked and does things quietly.


Interesting article. I had been thinking Troy Daniels is a possible trade candidate. His shooting off the bench would be a big deal for a playoff team. A package with Daniels and Monroe or Chandler together, might have some value.

The Suns don't need picks, they need better picks. That Brooklyn pick could be a target. But it might mean taking back salary, giving up maybe Monroe and Daniels plus the Miami pick and a future Suns pick.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1780 » by Revived » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Stark wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Canaan 15 points, 7 assists per 36 @ 124 O-Rating
Clarkson 21 points, 4 assists per 36 @ 103 O-Rating


Thanks for reminding their stats. I'm not saying that Clarkson is our solution to our future pg situation but we can have him for cheap and give it a try. Generally every player who changes team and gets better is worse in their previous teams but that's how you can find a gem.

Yup. Just cause Clarkson sucks with the Lakers doesn’t mean he would suck here.

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