Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[WeekapaugGroove]

Lonzo is one of the hardest guys in the league to gauge his trade value. You have the whole family distraction but even on the court hes a tricky player to judge. How much do you buy the positive things vs the very concerning negatives.

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[Midnight_Suns]

I want absolutely nothing to do with the baggage that comes with Lonzo.

[darealjuice]

I'm not sure I want to deal with the Ball family, take on Deng's contract, or help the Lakers put together their super team

[Fo-Real]

If (big if) Ball is on our radar, maybe it is because there is another team we could pass him off to to move up in the draft? Like we talk about taking the Parsons corpse to get the pick, Deng would take his place, maybe we would turn around and flip him to get back up high in the draft? Just a thought but who would want Lonzo? ORLANDO comes to mind. Orlando was hot to get up to get Tre Young but looks like he will be gone when they draft. Maybe at that point if we make a Ball trade we can flip them Ball+16+ something for pick 6?

[Sunsdeuce]

Lonzo is one of the hardest guys in the league to gauge his trade value. You have the whole family distraction but even on the court hes a tricky player to judge. How much do you buy the positive things vs the very concerning negatives.

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Totally agree. Two reasons I’d stay away.... his shooting ability and LaVar. Those two reasons are trade killers.

[Son of Ra]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

[JMac1]

As soon as Ball leaves the Lakers, he will be talked about like the dog he really is. If he played with us, he'd get thrown under the bus continually. The media doesn't want him to fail because he is a Laker. He is not a transcendent player in any way shape or form. JJ shot better than him, I mean come on. No Ball! Any team not name LA or Boston will be laughed at after Ball is on their team. We'd be a bigger punching bag than we are now......

[BobbieL]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

If Deng had one year - its one thing
but two years for something that you know y are getting ZERO out f
i can't do it

[Villalobos]

Off the Lakers, LaVar is gonna make Lonzo one of those rare guys who takes the QO to get out of restricted free agency. He'll leave to go to the New York/Miami or some **** (assuming he actually becomes good)

[TeamTragic]

Probably alone here, but I'd would happily take Lonzo off the Lakers hands.

Nah, I'd take him. We desperately need a PG and we desperately need defense. He was a top 3 defensive PG last season according to RPM, and it's tougher to score higher on RPM on a bad team. Plus he has elite court vision. The shooting would be the only thing.

But I don't see how we would ever get him...yeah, maybe if we took on Deng but I don't know if we have that much space.

His personality does kind of bother me though and that's not even considering his dad.

You are really scraping the bottom. McD won't waste his time even thinking about Ball.

[gaspar]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

We should under no circumstances be trading our unprotected 1st round pick next season. The Suns won 23, 24 and 21 games in the last 3 seasons and are still far away from being competitive in the Western Conference. That pick could easily be a top 3-5 next year. Ingram hasn't shown that much in his 2 seasons in the NBA. He's not worth $50M for the next 2 years, unprotected pick from the worst team in the league and another potentially unprotected pick.

[SlovenianDragon]

I wouldn't trade any of our future picks unless we are in compete now mode. Which....is a ways away.

Lets see how we do with Ayton this year.

[Son of Ra]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

We should under no circumstances be trading our unprotected 1st round pick next season. The Suns won 23, 24 and 21 games in the last 3 seasons and are still far away from being competitive in the Western Conference. That pick could easily be a top 3-5 next year. Ingram hasn't shown that much in his 2 seasons in the NBA. He's not worth $50M for the next 2 years, unprotected pick from the worst team in the league and another potentially unprotected pick.

I have a hard time thinking that we can get a better player than him wherever our pick lands next year. I agree I was super unimpressed with him in his first year. But have you watched him in his second season, especially towards the second half? He has improved every single stat per36 season to season. Some by a huge amount. Shoots 39% from three, 47% from the field. He gets to the line 5 times per game. He's gonna be a stud.

Could we find a better player where we draft next year? Possible. Is it likely that we do? Absolutely not.
I'd do this trade in a NY second. Why would I care if we give up a pick for a player that is still on a rookie deal? It's basically like a pick that you have a preview for.

[gaspar]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

We should under no circumstances be trading our unprotected 1st round pick next season. The Suns won 23, 24 and 21 games in the last 3 seasons and are still far away from being competitive in the Western Conference. That pick could easily be a top 3-5 next year. Ingram hasn't shown that much in his 2 seasons in the NBA. He's not worth $50M for the next 2 years, unprotected pick from the worst team in the league and another potentially unprotected pick.

I have a hard time thinking that we can get a better player than him wherever our pick lands next year. I agree I was super unimpressed with him in his first year. But have you watched him in his second season, especially towards the second half? He has improved every single stat per36 season to season. Some by a huge amount. Shoots 39% from three, 47% from the field. He gets to the line 5 times per game. He's gonna be a stud.

Could we find a better player where we draft next year? Possible. Is it likely that we do? Absolutely not.
I'd do this trade in a NY second. Why would I care if we give up a pick for a player that is still on a rookie deal? It's basically like a pick that you have a preview for.

Except that preview was super underwhelming and his rookie contract is only 2 years and costs $25M per year.

[Son of Ra]

IF we're helping the Lakers and take Deng off their hand I would want Ingram.
I'd do our 2019 pick unprotected and the Buck's pick for Deng & Ingram (plus whatever it would take to make numbers work).

If Deng had one year - its one thing
but two years for something that you know y are getting ZERO out of
i can't do it

I don't think it makes a difference. We'll be capped out after next off-season either way. And realistically no star is gonna sign with us no matter how good a season we'll have. This way we already have Ingram (who I'm obviously super high on) and we still have picks, youth and expirings to trade for a star. That's the only way for us to get one anyways.

[Son of Ra]

We should under no circumstances be trading our unprotected 1st round pick next season. The Suns won 23, 24 and 21 games in the last 3 seasons and are still far away from being competitive in the Western Conference. That pick could easily be a top 3-5 next year. Ingram hasn't shown that much in his 2 seasons in the NBA. He's not worth $50M for the next 2 years, unprotected pick from the worst team in the league and another potentially unprotected pick.

I have a hard time thinking that we can get a better player than him wherever our pick lands next year. I agree I was super unimpressed with him in his first year. But have you watched him in his second season, especially towards the second half? He has improved every single stat per36 season to season. Some by a huge amount. Shoots 39% from three, 47% from the field. He gets to the line 5 times per game. He's gonna be a stud.

Could we find a better player where we draft next year? Possible. Is it likely that we do? Absolutely not.
I'd do this trade in a NY second. Why would I care if we give up a pick for a player that is still on a rookie deal? It's basically like a pick that you have a preview for.

Except that preview was super underwhelming and his rookie contract is only 2 years and costs $25M per year.

Haha, ok I have to give you the hypothetical price tag (I addressed this in my previous post tho) but I disagree that he was underwhelming overall.

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Anyone else angered by these "expert" takes?
Calling TJ warren a bad pick is top for me.
Saying the suns have had 7 lottery picks without much context then comparing it to other rebuilds.

[TOO]

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Anyone else angered by these "expert" takes?
Calling TJ warren a bad pick is top for me.
Saying the suns have had 7 lottery picks without much context then comparing it to other rebuilds.

That is THE WORST NBA show on tv, and that's saying something because The Starters is a thing.

[BobbieL]

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Anyone else angered by these "expert" takes?
Calling TJ warren a bad pick is top for me.
Saying the suns have had 7 lottery picks without much context then comparing it to other rebuilds.

the golden state warriors used first round picks on Epke Udoh - do people remember that

Draymond green working his tail off was a huge reason the Warriors success

the Warriors were a playoff team once in 17 years. Biedrins was a bust. Brandon Wright, was a bust. Brandon Rush - was a bust

how soon they forget

TJ Warren is a good solid player

[bwgood77]

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