Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[bwgood77]

I was going to say the Pelicans should call up the Lakers and give them a low ball offer for LeBron, but as a joke. LeBron isn't going anywhere. He's in LA for his wife anyway.

This tweet almost freaked me out when I saw the first few words....

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[jredsaz]

So Holiday might be off the table

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That is the pre-Sarver Suns mentality. The Colangelo model. I can appreciate that.

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[jredsaz]

I was going to say the Pelicans should call up the Lakers and give them a low ball offer for LeBron, but as a joke. LeBron isn't going anywhere. He's in LA for his wife anyway.

This tweet almost freaked me out when I saw the first few words....

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I love that he is a Tottenham fan Big win today!

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[WeekapaugGroove]

So Holiday might be off the table

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That is the pre-Sarver Suns mentality. The Colangelo model. I can appreciate that.

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It's the championship or you're a failure mantra that the media and some players got obsessed with. It started with how some guys like Barkley and Malone got judged in the Jordan era and kept going with the Kobe 'count the ringz' attitude.

Teams can want to take the incremental approach but if their star players feel like they will be judged differently then they force their way out.

Fans in general don't appreciate the journey as much as they should and view any non chip season as a failure.

Sarver has tried all routes. He took over and they were very good but just never got over the hump. Then at the end of the Nash era they did the treadmill in the middle thing for like 3-4 years. It was only after that all failed they tried tank and draft.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Considering that 2020 free agency is pretty lousy, aside from a fee restricted players such as Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakim, Ben Simmons and Buddy Hield. All of whom are highly unlikely for us anyways.

Yet 2021 free agency is looking ridiculously good.

So in Looking ahead would you be willing to add another large expiring contract in order to be able to have immense cap space to offer a huge contract to a marquee (franchise player) in order to put us into heavy playoff contention???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vkzz5/the_summer_of_2021_will_feature_the_greatest_free/

Unrestricted-

Lebron James.
Anthony Davis.
Giannis Antetekoumpo.
Paul George.
Damian Lillard.
Demarr Derozan.
Russell Westbrook.
Rudy Gobert.
Gordon Hayward.
Bradley Beal.

Restricted-

Donovan Mitchell.
Jason Tatum.
Lonzo Ball.
Markelle Fultz.
Dennis Smith Jr.
Lauri Markkanen.
Abel Nader.
Josh Jackson.
De Aaron Fox.
Frank Nitkilina.

Would you trade for Conley, knowing that his 30 million contract expires in 2021, Thusly allowing us to have that cap space to be able to offer Beal or Lillard a max contract?

Or place a huge offer to a restricted player like:

Donovan Mitchell, Lonzo Ball, or Lauri Markkanen, in hopes that their team won't match?

Or you can trade for an expiring in Lowry, in order to have more than 30 million in cap space for 2020 free agency, and offer a huge amount to a restricted player like : Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, or Pascal Siakim?

We use either Conley or Lowry to help us become more competitive, and help us get to the playoffs. And then we upgrade in 2020 or 2021 accordingly.

[Crives]

Considering that 2020 free agency is pretty lousy, aside from a fee restricted players such as Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakim, Ben Simmons and Buddy Hield. All of whom are highly unlikely for us anyways.

Yet 2021 free agency is looking ridiculously good.

So in Looking ahead would you be willing to add another large expiring contract in order to be able to have immense cap space to offer a huge contract to a marquee (franchise player) in order to put us into heavy playoff contention???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vkzz5/the_summer_of_2021_will_feature_the_greatest_free/

Unrestricted-

Lebron James.
Anthony Davis.
Giannis Antetekoumpo.
Paul George.
Damian Lillard.
Demarr Derozan.
Russell Westbrook.
Rudy Gobert.
Gordon Hayward.
Bradley Beal.

Restricted-

Donovan Mitchell.
Jason Tatum.
Lonzo Ball.
Markelle Fultz.
Dennis Smith Jr.
Lauri Markkanen.
Abel Nader.
Josh Jackson.
De Aaron Fox.
Frank Nitkilina.

Would you trade for Conley, knowing that his 30 million contract expires in 2021, Thusly allowing us to have that cap space to be able to offer Beal or Lillard a max contract?

Or place a huge offer to a restricted player like:

Donovan Mitchell, Lonzo Ball, or Lauri Markkanen, in hopes that their team won't match?

Or you can trade for an expiring in Lowry, in order to have more than 30 million in cap space for 2020 free agency, and offer a huge amount to a restricted player like : Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, or Pascal Siakim?

We use either Conley or Lowry to help us become more competitive, and help us get to the playoffs. And then we upgrade in 2020 or 2021 accordingly.

Some good names. What if we sign Tyler to a two year 30m deal. Free up ~5/6m this summer while preserving 2021 cap. 2020 FA list is pretty bad right?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Considering that 2020 free agency is pretty lousy, aside from a fee restricted players such as Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakim, Ben Simmons and Buddy Hield. All of whom are highly unlikely for us anyways.

Yet 2021 free agency is looking ridiculously good.

So in Looking ahead would you be willing to add another large expiring contract in order to be able to have immense cap space to offer a huge contract to a marquee (franchise player) in order to put us into heavy playoff contention???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vkzz5/the_summer_of_2021_will_feature_the_greatest_free/

Unrestricted-

Lebron James.
Anthony Davis.
Giannis Antetekoumpo.
Paul George.
Damian Lillard.
Demarr Derozan.
Russell Westbrook.
Rudy Gobert.
Gordon Hayward.
Bradley Beal.

Restricted-

Donovan Mitchell.
Jason Tatum.
Lonzo Ball.
Markelle Fultz.
Dennis Smith Jr.
Lauri Markkanen.
Abel Nader.
Josh Jackson.
De Aaron Fox.
Frank Nitkilina.

Would you trade for Conley, knowing that his 30 million contract expires in 2021, Thusly allowing us to have that cap space to be able to offer Beal or Lillard a max contract?

Or place a huge offer to a restricted player like:

Donovan Mitchell, Lonzo Ball, or Lauri Markkanen, in hopes that their team won't match?

Or you can trade for an expiring in Lowry, in order to have more than 30 million in cap space for 2020 free agency, and offer a huge amount to a restricted player like : Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, or Pascal Siakim?

We use either Conley or Lowry to help us become more competitive, and help us get to the playoffs. And then we upgrade in 2020 or 2021 accordingly.

Some good names. What if we sign Tyler to a two year 30m deal. Free up ~5/6m this summer while preserving 2021 cap. 2020 FA list is pretty bad right?

I'm down for either way honestly man. But I think we still might have to move Warren, OR only sign everyone to one year contracts, in order to get close to 30 million+ cap space by 2021.

I mean won't Jackson/ Ayton and Bridges also be up for extensions going into 2021 ? Along with Bookers' contract now eating away at our cap space too?

That's primarily the other reason that I mentioned using Jackson and the Milwaukee pick in order to trade back into the late lotto of the draft, to supplement our roster with a less expensive rookie contract( instead of extending Jackson at a larger cost). (*** grab Garland or Kabengele) Whilst also adding depth at positions of need at a low cost.

And then using Warren and Johnsons' contract to trade for Lowry or Conley. As in doing so, We acquire cap savingsfor 2021 in moving Warrens' contract for a position of need, Whilst gaining an additional 30 million in cap space for 2021 once Conleys' contract expires.Now we have balanced the roster, added cap space, added positional depth, And can become more competitive next season, whilst most importantly setting ourselves up to have enough money to both extend Ayton and Bridges, And still have enough money to offer a max contract to one of Beal, Lillard, Derozan, George, or Westbrook, etc.

My top 3 offers in 2021 personally would be: 1- Beal, 2- Lillard, 3- Paul George, or Derozen I suppose.

[Crives]

Considering that 2020 free agency is pretty lousy, aside from a fee restricted players such as Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakim, Ben Simmons and Buddy Hield. All of whom are highly unlikely for us anyways.

Yet 2021 free agency is looking ridiculously good.

So in Looking ahead would you be willing to add another large expiring contract in order to be able to have immense cap space to offer a huge contract to a marquee (franchise player) in order to put us into heavy playoff contention???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vkzz5/the_summer_of_2021_will_feature_the_greatest_free/

Unrestricted-

Lebron James.
Anthony Davis.
Giannis Antetekoumpo.
Paul George.
Damian Lillard.
Demarr Derozan.
Russell Westbrook.
Rudy Gobert.
Gordon Hayward.
Bradley Beal.

Restricted-

Donovan Mitchell.
Jason Tatum.
Lonzo Ball.
Markelle Fultz.
Dennis Smith Jr.
Lauri Markkanen.
Abel Nader.
Josh Jackson.
De Aaron Fox.
Frank Nitkilina.

Would you trade for Conley, knowing that his 30 million contract expires in 2021, Thusly allowing us to have that cap space to be able to offer Beal or Lillard a max contract?

Or place a huge offer to a restricted player like:

Donovan Mitchell, Lonzo Ball, or Lauri Markkanen, in hopes that their team won't match?

Or you can trade for an expiring in Lowry, in order to have more than 30 million in cap space for 2020 free agency, and offer a huge amount to a restricted player like : Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, or Pascal Siakim?

We use either Conley or Lowry to help us become more competitive, and help us get to the playoffs. And then we upgrade in 2020 or 2021 accordingly.

Some good names. What if we sign Tyler to a two year 30m deal. Free up ~5/6m this summer while preserving 2021 cap. 2020 FA list is pretty bad right?

I'm down for either way honestly man. But I think we still might have to move Warren, OR only sign everyone to one year contracts, in order to get close to 30 million+ cap space by 2021.

I mean won't Jackson/ Ayton and Bridges also be up for extensions going into 2021 ? Along with Bookers' contract now eating away at our cap space too?

That's primarily the other reason that I mentioned using Jackson and the Milwaukee pick in order to trade back into the late lotto of the draft, to supplement our roster with a less expensive rookie contract( instead of extending Jackson at a larger cost). (*** grab Garland or Kabengele) Whilst also adding depth at positions of need at a low cost.

And then using Warren and Johnsons' contract to trade for Lowry or Conley. As in doing so, We acquire cap savingsfor 2021 in moving Warrens' contract for a position of need, Whilst gaining an additional 30 million in cap space for 2021 once Conleys' contract expires.Now we have balanced the roster, added cap space, added positional depth, And can become more competitive next season, whilst most importantly setting ourselves up to have enough money to both extend Ayton and Bridges, And still have enough money to offer a max contract to one of Beal, Lillard, Derozan, George, or Westbrook, etc.

My top 3 offers in 2021 personally would be: 1- Beal, 2- Lillard, 3- Paul George, or Derozen I suppose.

But, roster construction wise do we want 3 Max’s? Long term i might prefer two Max’s on Ayton/Book and spending the rest on high quality role players like Bridges.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Some good names. What if we sign Tyler to a two year 30m deal. Free up ~5/6m this summer while preserving 2021 cap. 2020 FA list is pretty bad right?

I'm down for either way honestly man. But I think we still might have to move Warren, OR only sign everyone to one year contracts, in order to get close to 30 million+ cap space by 2021.

I mean won't Jackson/ Ayton and Bridges also be up for extensions going into 2021 ? Along with Bookers' contract now eating away at our cap space too?

That's primarily the other reason that I mentioned using Jackson and the Milwaukee pick in order to trade back into the late lotto of the draft, to supplement our roster with a less expensive rookie contract( instead of extending Jackson at a larger cost). (*** grab Garland or Kabengele) Whilst also adding depth at positions of need at a low cost.

And then using Warren and Johnsons' contract to trade for Lowry or Conley. As in doing so, We acquire cap savingsfor 2021 in moving Warrens' contract for a position of need, Whilst gaining an additional 30 million in cap space for 2021 once Conleys' contract expires.Now we have balanced the roster, added cap space, added positional depth, And can become more competitive next season, whilst most importantly setting ourselves up to have enough money to both extend Ayton and Bridges, And still have enough money to offer a max contract to one of Beal, Lillard, Derozan, George, or Westbrook, etc.

My top 3 offers in 2021 personally would be: 1- Beal, 2- Lillard, 3- Paul George, or Derozen I suppose.

But, roster construction wise do we want 3 Max’s? Long term i might prefer two Max’s on Ayton/Book and spending the rest on high quality role players like Bridges.

Sensible, But if these salary scale increases are correct, Then we should be able to absorb Aytons' and Bridges extensions, whilst still being able to add one more max contract too.


https://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/ .

Ayton is slated to make 10 million in 2021/ 12 million in 2022/ and doesn't get the qualifying offer of 16 million until 2023.

And Bridges is slated to make: 4 million in 2021/ 5 million in 2022/ and his qualifying offer is only 7 million in 2023.

The thing that I like best about rookie scale contracts is in that it gives you contractual control of the player for up to 8 years, before they become unrestricted free agents.

Also, I worry about our front offices ability to find those diamond in the rough type talents on low cost contracts.

So we might need to stack the deck to improve and compete whilst we can. Today it pretty much takes 3 max level players to seriously compete with the other big market teams that are building super teams anyhow.

Unless our front office gets either really lucky or becomes super skilled like the Spurs front office has been.

But in competing and getting to the playoffs, we inadvertently become a more desirable free agent destination once again , and as a result can start having to pay less, or not have to overpay quality players to come here anymore.

So I see doing this in 2021 as a Springboard for us back to relevancy and respect.

[RunDogGun]

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Not sure he ever was. Now circumstances can change quickly so we'll just have to see how it plays out.

I do think in general trades are more something you have to be opportunistic with than something you can count on as a team building strategy. They are the aspect of player aquisition a team has the least control over.

I really caution the 'trade the pick' crowd because nothing could materialize.

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Yeah, I never say things like "if the pick is _______, trade it" as the proper course of action. What if the best offer was not all that great? We traded our 2004 pick (which would have been Iguodala if we kept it)..for a future pick that turned into the 21st pick (Nate Robinson) in 2005.

But without the Nate pick, we don't get KT, who was instrumental on defense when Amare went down (not that Amare was defensive minded when he was on the court).

[bwgood77]

Not sure he ever was. Now circumstances can change quickly so we'll just have to see how it plays out.

I do think in general trades are more something you have to be opportunistic with than something you can count on as a team building strategy. They are the aspect of player aquisition a team has the least control over.

I really caution the 'trade the pick' crowd because nothing could materialize.

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Yeah, I never say things like "if the pick is _______, trade it" as the proper course of action. What if the best offer was not all that great? We traded our 2004 pick (which would have been Iguodala if we kept it)..for a future pick that turned into the 21st pick (Nate Robinson) in 2005.

But without the Nate pick, we don't get KT, who was instrumental on defense when Amare went down (not that Amare was defensive minded when he was on the court).

It likely wouldn't have held up that trade, which was Q and a conditional first round pick for KT. It could have likely been another conditional pick.

But if we went through everything I never would have signed Q either (but would have extended JJ and drafted Iguodala - rather have them than KT) so the KT trade never would have happened and we would have never had to rid ourselves of a couple of firsts to unload his contract.

[RunDogGun]

Yeah, I never say things like "if the pick is _______, trade it" as the proper course of action. What if the best offer was not all that great? We traded our 2004 pick (which would have been Iguodala if we kept it)..for a future pick that turned into the 21st pick (Nate Robinson) in 2005.

But without the Nate pick, we don't get KT, who was instrumental on defense when Amare went down (not that Amare was defensive minded when he was on the court).

It likely wouldn't have held up that trade, which was Q and a conditional first round pick for KT. It could have likely been another conditional pick.

But if we went through everything I never would have signed Q either (but would have extended JJ and drafted Iguodala - rather have them than KT) so the KT trade never would have happened and we would have never had to rid ourselves of a couple of firsts to unload his contract.

Well Seattle got a first rounder when they traded him later with Barry. So that comes down to the gm.

[Saberestar]

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[Kerrsed]

Honestly i expected more from that fiasco.

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[Mr Puddles]

I was going to say the Pelicans should call up the Lakers and give them a low ball offer for LeBron, but as a joke. LeBron isn't going anywhere. He's in LA for his wife anyway.

This tweet almost freaked me out when I saw the first few words....

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I love that he is a Tottenham fan Big win today!

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Getting to the semis is a remarkable achievement in and of itself. Subsequently losing to Ajax is nothing to be embarrassed of

@DaleyBlind , please back me up here

[BobbieL]

Considering that 2020 free agency is pretty lousy, aside from a fee restricted players such as Jamal Murray, Pascal Siakim, Ben Simmons and Buddy Hield. All of whom are highly unlikely for us anyways.

Yet 2021 free agency is looking ridiculously good.

So in Looking ahead would you be willing to add another large expiring contract in order to be able to have immense cap space to offer a huge contract to a marquee (franchise player) in order to put us into heavy playoff contention???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vkzz5/the_summer_of_2021_will_feature_the_greatest_free/

Unrestricted-

Lebron James.
Anthony Davis.
Giannis Antetekoumpo.
Paul George.
Damian Lillard.
Demarr Derozan.
Russell Westbrook.
Rudy Gobert.
Gordon Hayward.
Bradley Beal.

Restricted-

Donovan Mitchell.
Jason Tatum.
Lonzo Ball.
Markelle Fultz.
Dennis Smith Jr.
Lauri Markkanen.
Abel Nader.
Josh Jackson.
De Aaron Fox.
Frank Nitkilina.

Would you trade for Conley, knowing that his 30 million contract expires in 2021, Thusly allowing us to have that cap space to be able to offer Beal or Lillard a max contract?

Or place a huge offer to a restricted player like:

Donovan Mitchell, Lonzo Ball, or Lauri Markkanen, in hopes that their team won't match?

Or you can trade for an expiring in Lowry, in order to have more than 30 million in cap space for 2020 free agency, and offer a huge amount to a restricted player like : Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, or Pascal Siakim?

We use either Conley or Lowry to help us become more competitive, and help us get to the playoffs. And then we upgrade in 2020 or 2021 accordingly.

Some good names. What if we sign Tyler to a two year 30m deal. Free up ~5/6m this summer while preserving 2021 cap. 2020 FA list is pretty bad right?

So Tyler would be signing a 1 year deal for 10.6m. I think after this summer, he could do better than that. But this might be more realistic than say 4/44. Two years 30m would save 5m off the cap in 19/20 and have a cap hit of 15m in 20/21. Not a bad idea . I still think he opts in and plays out the season.

JR Smith is out there with a guaranteed portion of only 3.8 if released by June 30. So this is the type of old school deal where the Suns send out a cap deal and they can save the 12m.

Now, I thought of Tyler Johnson for JR + filler to get true cap savings - but I like Tyler

Warren + Okoko or Melton for JR probalby works - but that is a straight salary cap dump of Warren for what, 7m bucks since he makes 11 and JR costs 4m.

The one deal I did think of is if Cavs get a higher pick, the Suns really want Morant - maybe Warren + 6 + Bucks pick for Morant and JR Smith.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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I damn near spit my coffee out when they predicted Holmes would get 10mil per year. I mean good for him if he can get it but no way in hell the suns should offer anything close to that. Backup C's aren't that hard to find in the cheap.

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[BobbieL]

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I damn near spit my coffee out when they predicted Holmes would get 10mil per year. I mean good for him if he can get it but no way in hell the suns should offer anything close to that. Backup C's aren't that hard to find in the cheap.

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I know stretching Tyler Johnson was just an option but that would also be pretty stupid/ Tyler Johnson has value in the NBA. It does mention he thinks Johnson is worth 10m per year. So, if Tyler could get 3/30 on the open market, he is probably not accepting 3/21 from the Suns

[King4Day]

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I damn near spit my coffee out when they predicted Holmes would get 10mil per year. I mean good for him if he can get it but no way in hell the suns should offer anything close to that. Backup C's aren't that hard to find in the cheap.

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I think he'll be lucky to get more than 5. Not sure what makes them think Holmes is worth, or will get, 10mil +.
Like you said, if someone offers it to him, good for him, and thanks for the memories. No way we give him starter money.