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Re: Around the NBA including other Playoff Series (Sixers/Hawks Game 7) 

Post#1761 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:47 am

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suns12345 wrote:wow simmons just passed up a dunk. dude is shot to pieces


If they lose this game, he's gone this summer. I still see a McCollum for Simmons type deal taking place.

I just replied to a tweet with this trade. Great minds think alike

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Post#1762 » by King4Day » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:48 am

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King4Day wrote:And Philly has been eliminated. You can say it's in part due to Embiid's injury but he played the whole series and dominated.
They will finally have to break that core up.

Doc just straight up got out-coached. Straight up


Nothing he can do either when his second 'star' can't shoot.
If they don't plan on moving him, I'm telling him to go on vacation and then rebuild his shot. Though I believe his issue is mental more than anything. He was down and I think his days in Philly are finished.
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Post#1763 » by phx#7 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:53 am

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King4Day wrote:And Philly has been eliminated. You can say it's in part due to Embiid's injury but he played the whole series and dominated.
They will finally have to break that core up.

Doc just straight up got out-coached. Straight up


Yeah, Hawks didn't even play great and they still lost game 7 on their home court. Bucks have the better roster but coaching may push the Hawks to the Finals.

Really hope the Suns are able to close out the Clips. I feel really good about matching up with either ECF(or really any EC team outside a healthy Nets).
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Re: Around the NBA including other Playoff Series (Sixers/Hawks Game 7) 

Post#1764 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:53 am

King4Day wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
King4Day wrote:And Philly has been eliminated. You can say it's in part due to Embiid's injury but he played the whole series and dominated.
They will finally have to break that core up.

Doc just straight up got out-coached. Straight up


Nothing he can do either when his second 'star' can't shoot.
If they don't plan on moving him, I'm telling him to go on vacation and then rebuild his shot. Though I believe his issue is mental more than anything. He was down and I think his days in Philly are finished.

Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.
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Re: Around the NBA including other Playoff Series (Sixers/Hawks Game 7) 

Post#1765 » by JDJ26 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:58 am

kennydorglas wrote:That's why your big man can't be your superstar.
Not in today's nba btw.


Embiid isn't the problem.

The problem is Simmons and his pathetic offense. Passing up on a dunk/layup is inexcusable.
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Post#1766 » by King4Day » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:12 am

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Post#1767 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:19 am

Before that game, 538 had the Hawks with a 1% chance to win the finals. After they won they jumped all the way up to 4%. Feels a little ridiculous they are that low.

We are at 52%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/
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Post#1768 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:26 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
King4Day wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Doc just straight up got out-coached. Straight up


Nothing he can do either when his second 'star' can't shoot.
If they don't plan on moving him, I'm telling him to go on vacation and then rebuild his shot. Though I believe his issue is mental more than anything. He was down and I think his days in Philly are finished.

Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.

It makes sense on paper but in practice Simmons would tank their offense to maybe middle of the pack (on the backs of Dame alone) and their defense might at best be a 10 spot improvement.

Really the best trade should've been Simmons to Rockets and they can actually build around him from scratch
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Post#1769 » by phx#7 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:34 am

bwgood77 wrote:Before that game, 538 had the Hawks with a 1% chance to win the finals. After they won they jumped all the way up to 4%. Feels a little ridiculous they are that low.

We are at 52%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/


Ah crap, another coin flip involving Milwaukee.
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Post#1770 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:35 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Nothing he can do either when his second 'star' can't shoot.
If they don't plan on moving him, I'm telling him to go on vacation and then rebuild his shot. Though I believe his issue is mental more than anything. He was down and I think his days in Philly are finished.

Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.

It makes sense on paper but in practice Simmons would tank their offense to maybe middle of the pack (on the backs of Dame alone) and their defense might at best be a 10 spot improvement.

Really the best trade should've been Simmons to Rockets and they can actually build around him from scratch

True, but the Rockets don't really have any assets to get Ben, IMO. Not ones that Philly wants to compete again next season anyway.
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Re: Around the NBA including other Playoff Series (Sixers/Hawks Game 7) 

Post#1771 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:45 am

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King4Day wrote:
suns12345 wrote:wow simmons just passed up a dunk. dude is shot to pieces


If they lose this game, he's gone this summer. I still see a McCollum for Simmons type deal taking place.

I just replied to a tweet with this trade. Great minds think alike

Sixers need to do something


This will sound hot takey but it isn't. Simmons is criminally overrated. He has a reputation as this elite playmaker who can pass incredibly well but he's not. He mostly just initiates offense by dribbling up the court, passing to the side, and rotating to the dunk spot. He doesn't run pick & roll, doesn't get others open, doesn't really do much of anything on offense creatively except in transition, where you have numbers and most would make the easy / correct read. His contract is insane for a Draymond type player, who only works with the greatest shooting backcourt of all time and even then I wouldn't call Draymond a net positive player anymore. Steph would've averaged 40 if Draymond didn't allow the easy double every play.

I honestly wouldn't trade Cam Johnson for Simmons if the salaries were equal. He's not a 3 and D player. He's a defensive role player who is petrified of shooting and is only a good playmaker compared to his position / height. So is Dario, and Dario ain't all that. If Simmons would at least drive to the hoop and use his height / athleticism to make layups or dunks he'd be okay, but still nowhere near close to the all star he's considered, which is just from reputation, draft pick status, and people overvaluing the little things. Playmaking and offensive efficiency is still by FAR the most valuable skillset in the league, and he does none of that at close to even an above average level, to put it kindly.

I struggle to see how Simmons will ever be better than the 4th best player on a title team. I like Dame a lot and really hope they don't move CJ for him because CJ is worth his contract at the least. I think Simmons ends up on a rebuild job like Houston or OKC, who knows they have time to wait out the contract and see if he develops. Dude is right handed so maybe rebuild his entire shot shooting righty instead of lefty.

Also if it isn't clear from that above, if Draymond were ever to become available imo Phx should run the other way. We're good now because we have no weak shooters and 1 weak defender who barely plays.
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Post#1772 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:46 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.

It makes sense on paper but in practice Simmons would tank their offense to maybe middle of the pack (on the backs of Dame alone) and their defense might at best be a 10 spot improvement.

Really the best trade should've been Simmons to Rockets and they can actually build around him from scratch

True, but the Rockets don't really have any assets to get Ben, IMO. Not ones that Philly wants to compete again next season anyway.

That ship sailed. It should've been Harden/Simmons.
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Post#1773 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:47 am

To me Ben Simmons is a taller tony allen. The fact that he's on a max should petrify Philly fans
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Post#1774 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:48 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.

It makes sense on paper but in practice Simmons would tank their offense to maybe middle of the pack (on the backs of Dame alone) and their defense might at best be a 10 spot improvement.

Really the best trade should've been Simmons to Rockets and they can actually build around him from scratch

True, but the Rockets don't really have any assets to get Ben, IMO. Not ones that Philly wants to compete again next season anyway.


I don't think it will take much to get him. Philly needs to get the cap space and try for Crowder types (veteran 3 & D guys). Would serve them better.
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Post#1775 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:49 am

phx#7 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Before that game, 538 had the Hawks with a 1% chance to win the finals. After they won they jumped all the way up to 4%. Feels a little ridiculous they are that low.

We are at 52%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/


Ah crap, another coin flip involving Milwaukee.


Well if we beat the Clips and they add their odds to ours, we go up to 67%. But I guess with Suns luck, we need those odds in a coin flip.
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Post#1776 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:50 am

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King4Day wrote:
Nothing he can do either when his second 'star' can't shoot.
If they don't plan on moving him, I'm telling him to go on vacation and then rebuild his shot. Though I believe his issue is mental more than anything. He was down and I think his days in Philly are finished.

Portland and Philly make interesting trade partners, IMO. CJ for Simmons makes some sense. Portland need to get better defensively, and Philly needs better shot-making.

It makes sense on paper but in practice Simmons would tank their offense to maybe middle of the pack (on the backs of Dame alone) and their defense might at best be a 10 spot improvement.

Really the best trade should've been Simmons to Rockets and they can actually build around him from scratch


I think he needs to fully rebuild his shot. He's right handed and only shoots left because his dad forced him to. His form right handed is way better. He needs to go to a place like Houston who is in for a long rebuild and can afford to wait for him to retool everything on that end. If he can at least be a below average shooter he can be the star people claimed he is.
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Post#1777 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:52 am

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BobbieL wrote:
King4Day wrote:
If they lose this game, he's gone this summer. I still see a McCollum for Simmons type deal taking place.

I just replied to a tweet with this trade. Great minds think alike

Sixers need to do something


This will sound hot takey but it isn't. Simmons is criminally overrated. He has a reputation as this elite playmaker who can pass incredibly well but he's not. He mostly just initiates offense by dribbling up the court, passing to the side, and rotating to the dunk spot. He doesn't run pick & roll, doesn't get others open, doesn't really do much of anything on offense creatively except in transition, where you have numbers and most would make the easy / correct read. His contract is insane for a Draymond type player, who only works with the greatest shooting backcourt of all time and even then I wouldn't call Draymond a net positive player anymore. Steph would've averaged 40 if Draymond didn't allow the easy double every play.

I honestly wouldn't trade Cam Johnson for Simmons if the salaries were equal. He's not a 3 and D player. He's a defensive role player who is petrified of shooting and is only a good playmaker compared to his position / height. So is Dario, and Dario ain't all that. If Simmons would at least drive to the hoop and use his height / athleticism to make layups or dunks he'd be okay, but still nowhere near close to the all star he's considered, which is just from reputation, draft pick status, and people overvaluing the little things. Playmaking and offensive efficiency is still by FAR the most valuable skillset in the league, and he does none of that at close to even an above average level, to put it kindly.

I struggle to see how Simmons will ever be better than the 4th best player on a title team. I like Dame a lot and really hope they don't move CJ for him because CJ is worth his contract at the least. I think Simmons ends up on a rebuild job like Houston or OKC, who knows they have time to wait out the contract and see if he develops. Dude is right handed so maybe rebuild his entire shot shooting righty instead of lefty.

Also if it isn't clear from that above, if Draymond were ever to become available imo Phx should run the other way. We're good now because we have no weak shooters and 1 weak defender who barely plays.


I just don't understand why Simmons doesn't spend every possible minute in the offseason working on his jumpshot. I mean damn, they also had Fultz who's shot looked awful and he mostly fixed it.

TJ Warren added his 3 with work. So have pretty much half the centers. Frye never took 3s in AZ or his first few years in the NBA. Brook Lopez didn't take them forever, or Marc Gasol.

He's an idiot not to work on it a lot. Maybe he's just content with that contract, but as hard as he works on defense, you'd think he is a hard worker.
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Post#1778 » by starbosa10 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:58 am

It's all mental
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Post#1779 » by SunsRback4Good » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:16 am

starbosa10 wrote:It's all mental


That's what my ex gf said when I couldn't perform in the bedroom. I immediately ran to find her favorite teddy bear and yelled " let's see if he does it better" to my surprise he gave her the best orgasm of her life. :(
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Post#1780 » by wheezy » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:21 am

suns12345 wrote:
King4Day wrote:
suns12345 wrote:wow simmons just passed up a dunk. dude is shot to pieces


If they lose this game, he's gone this summer. I still see a McCollum for Simmons type deal taking place.


Yep, could be good for both teams. I think he has placed himself firmly in the value range of mcollum not Lillard (not that he was ever worth lillard

Honestly I think with the way he's played lately, he isn't worth McC in a trade... so what else do the Sixers have to add?

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