2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[Ghost of Kleine]

If/When we trade Ayton, I really hope we don't get another questionable motor big guy.

Just get a solid 5 who can defend and set good screens. Steven Adams is a good example.
We don't need to "feed" any center. That's not the game today.

High motor, Physicality, rebounding and solid defense is a must!

[spanishninja]

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Ayton ready to move on?

He's been ready to move on and quite frankly so am I. Pretty sure I'm the last holdout here but yeah.....get this guy the F off the team already.

I am not expecting a lot in return

I just don't know what the value is

But hey - maybe a team like the Hornets or Pistons or even the Pacers would engage the Suns on a deal

would...would we take back Miles Bridges and his baggage if it means getting rid of Ayton?

[Ghost of Kleine]

If/When we trade Ayton, I really hope we don't get another questionable motor big guy.

Just get a solid 5 who can defend and set good screens. Steven Adams is a good example.
We don't need to "feed" any center. That's not the game today.

just go for Capela.

Capela would be solid for sure! But what would the deal look like, As they won't be looking to take on additional long term salary with being hard capped too and also their looming contract extensions unless they can move Young?? I was thinking we'd most likely need to take back Capela/ Bogdanovic/ Martin (buyout)?? for Ayton/ Craig. or Ayton/Payne perhaps because don't salaries have to match for hard capped trades under the new CBA rules?

[BobbieL]

He's been ready to move on and quite frankly so am I. Pretty sure I'm the last holdout here but yeah.....get this guy the F off the team already.

I am not expecting a lot in return

I just don't know what the value is

But hey - maybe a team like the Hornets or Pistons or even the Pacers would engage the Suns on a deal

would...would we take back Miles Bridges and his baggage if it means getting rid of Ayton?

aaah hell no

Gordon Hayward maybe?

[spanishninja]

If/When we trade Ayton, I really hope we don't get another questionable motor big guy.

Just get a solid 5 who can defend and set good screens. Steven Adams is a good example.
We don't need to "feed" any center. That's not the game today.

just go for Capela.

Capela would be solid for sure! But what would the deal look like, As they won't be looking to take on additional long term salary with being hard capped too and also their looming contract extensions unless they can move Young?? I was thinking we'd most likely need to take back Capela/ Bogdanovic/ Martin (buyout)?? for Ayton/ Craig. or Ayton/Payne perhaps because don't salaries have to match for hard capped trades under the new CBA rules?

somebody earlier said Collins/Capela for Ayton/X. That could work because for X we can send back shorter contracts. We would take back two long term contracts, one of them almost as bad as Ayton's.

[Ghost of Kleine]

If/When we trade Ayton, I really hope we don't get another questionable motor big guy.

Just get a solid 5 who can defend and set good screens. Steven Adams is a good example.
We don't need to "feed" any center. That's not the game today.

just go for Capela.

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

That'd be an absolute win for us at this point! And then move Durant to small forward so he wouldn't have to face so much size and physicality in heavy minutes moving forward. But can we do that without salary matching as a hard capped team?? Or would it need to be an Ayton/Shamet for Collins and Capela type of deal??

[spanishninja]

just go for Capela.

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

That'd be an absolute win for us at this point! And then move Durant to small forward so he wouldn't have to face so much size and physicality in heavy minutes moving forward. But can we do that without salary matching as a hard capped team?? Or would it need to be an Ayton/Shamet for Collins and Capela type of deal??

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2pfb5fud

Sending back Ayton/Craig works. I went with Craig because he expires next year at only $5M so that hopefully incentivizes them.

[bwgood77]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

That'd be an absolute win for us at this point! And then move Durant to small forward so he wouldn't have to face so much size and physicality in heavy minutes moving forward. But can we do that without salary matching as a hard capped team?? Or would it need to be an Ayton/Shamet for Collins and Capela type of deal??

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2pfb5fud

Sending back Ayton/Craig works. I went with Craig because he expires next year at only $5M so that hopefully incentivizes them.

Love it man!
Even though I'm fond of Craig's recent rebounding and defensive efforts. I have to remind myself that this is basically what he does in contract years. He plays better/ harder, then costs a bit once he secures his deal. Still a really good trade. By the way, Have you ever checked out
Tradenba yet though?
https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

It's pretty cool and has all sorts of additional features included that espn trade machine lacks currently?? Might wanna give it a look see for gifs and shiggles....lol.

[spanishninja]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

except nobody on the Nuggets is doing any bragging so far. They are super focused on finishing the job.

[Slim Charless]

If/When we trade Ayton, I really hope we don't get another questionable motor big guy.

Just get a solid 5 who can defend and set good screens. Steven Adams is a good example.
We don't need to "feed" any center. That's not the game today.

just go for Capela.

Capela would be solid for sure! But what would the deal look like, As they won't be looking to take on additional long term salary with being hard capped too and also their looming contract extensions unless they can move Young?? I was thinking we'd most likely need to take back Capela/ Bogdanovic/ Martin (buyout)?? for Ayton/ Craig. or Ayton/Payne perhaps because don't salaries have to match for hard capped trades under the new CBA rules?

I think there's at least a chance Boston and Atlanta do a Trae-Jaylen swap this summer. Unless Tatum shows out these last games then they might have to realize that he's better as a #2 and Trae for all of his MANY warts isn't scared of anyone.

That combined with the fact that Jaylen is from Atlanta and is very much into the social justice movement could mean a trade. The fact that he wants a supermax might be an issue too, when they're already gonna be paying Tatum a supermax.

[BobbieL]

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

That'd be an absolute win for us at this point! And then move Durant to small forward so he wouldn't have to face so much size and physicality in heavy minutes moving forward. But can we do that without salary matching as a hard capped team?? Or would it need to be an Ayton/Shamet for Collins and Capela type of deal??

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2pfb5fud

Sending back Ayton/Craig works. I went with Craig because he expires next year at only $5M so that hopefully incentivizes them.

Isn't Craig a free agent this summer. Would have to be Payne - probably with his option picked up to count the full 6.2m

[Ghost of Kleine]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

Lol I was honestly just thinking about that too last night! Thinking about the similarities of how we got dominated then as we are now, and how our players just weren't/ aren't stepping up much. But moreover for me, the similarities with Jokic and Doncic that are both epically good European players that are coddled by the refs and heavily promoted by the league and also how both are super hyped by the media and league itself and their team's offense runs completely through them surrounded heavily with a 3 point shooting premise. I personally just see quite a few parallels, although Jokic has a much better supporting depth cast than Doncic did. Lastly, both teams biggest weakness is a lack of rim protection/ shotblocking.

[Ghost of Kleine]

That'd be an absolute win for us at this point! And then move Durant to small forward so he wouldn't have to face so much size and physicality in heavy minutes moving forward. But can we do that without salary matching as a hard capped team?? Or would it need to be an Ayton/Shamet for Collins and Capela type of deal??

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2pfb5fud

Sending back Ayton/Craig works. I went with Craig because he expires next year at only $5M so that hopefully incentivizes them.

Isn't Craig a free agent this summer. Would have to be Payne - probably with his option picked up to count the full 6.2m

ooops!
Bobbi is right! Great point man. Definitely need to ge looking at that! It would save them a ton of money long term I believe.

We'd definitely need to prioritize the guard spot post trade after though. Both in free agency and in the draft! ( for substantial depth) insurance!

[Ghost of Kleine]

just go for Capela.

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

if only we still had Saric he could have been a good filler.

Didn't we get back a 4 million TPE from OKC in the trade though?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns//cap

trade - 2/09/2024
Dario Saric trade with OKC

$4,975,371 (*Original) $4,975,371 (*Available)

And in total we're sitting at aproximately 14, 513 million (for free agency) between our
- Taxpayer midlevel- $5 million.
- Bi annual- $4,448,000.
- Trade Exception (Dario)- $4,975,371.
So could we use that exception instead in a trade deal for salary matching?

[BobbieL]

Been saying that for months. Capela and Collins. John Collins might be the only guy who's hurt his value more than DA and Capela is what he is-a defensive big. Those 2 for Ayton and Payne.

This is the way.

if only we still had Saric he could have been a good filler.

Didn't we get back a 4 million TPE from OKC in the trade though?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns//cap

trade - 2/09/2024
Dario Saric trade with OKC

$4,975,371 (*Original) $4,975,371 (*Available)

And in total we're sitting at aproximately 14, 513 million (for free agency) between our
- Taxpayer midlevel- $5 million.
- Bi annual- $4,448,000.
- Trade Exception (Dario)- $4,975,371.
So could we use that exception instead in a trade deal for salary matching?

I didn't realize the Suns got that trade exception. Not sure what you can do with it - -but better than nothing. I think Ishbia will spend it. I don't think you can combine a trade exception but you can get a player making 4.9m if they want to offload salary. More likely to be used at the deadline so a team doesn't need to pay the lux tax

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[bwgood77]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

except nobody on the Nuggets is doing any bragging so far. They are super focused on finishing the job.

I don't think he was bragging. My point is the series isn't over. A lot of teams come back from down 3-2.

[sunsfan1o1]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

except nobody on the Nuggets is doing any bragging so far. They are super focused on finishing the job.

I don't think he was bragging. My point is the series isn't over. A lot of teams come back from down 3-2.

Can Monty Williams coach a team to come back down 3-2?
I would pay to see it

[BobbieL]

Man, this series is looking like our series last year. We are in the same position the Mavs were in last year after game 5 when we spanked them by 30 and Book was doing the Luka special.

except nobody on the Nuggets is doing any bragging so far. They are super focused on finishing the job.

I don't think he was bragging. My point is the series isn't over. A lot of teams come back from down 3-2.

If the Suns do make it to game 7
I would go heavy with Booker and Durant and throw it all against the wall and have them carry the suns

I do think Malone should follow the advice of Mike Greenberg who said Ham should not play Lebron and AD tonight; I think Malone should give Jokic and Murray tomorrow night off