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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1761 » by garrick » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:00 am

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I do not want this cancer on our team and Ishbia will be an even bigger moron if he actually goes through with the trade!

I watched on Gambo that some league insiders are suspecting tampering rules are being violated so lets hope this is not the case or we will probably lose at least one second rounder but possibly more if there is a repeat violation. Silver probably has had enough of Ishbia's stupidity and should send a strong message to owners this type of buffoonery is not to be accepted as the norm.


Tampering happens in every corner of the NBA.

Superstars run the league not Riley or Ishbia.


He got caught doing it with Eubanks of all players to tamper for what makes you think Ishbia learned any lessons since buying the team?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1762 » by Revived » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:00 am

sunsbg wrote:This saga should give leverage to a competent GM, but unfortunately Suns have Jones.

Can’t blame James Jones, Ishbia overrides him. Ishbia himself said that Jones was against trading everything for KD and that Ishbia overruled him on it.

I’m not a Jones fan necessarily but I doubt he has much of a role with the team anymore other than being just a figurehead.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1763 » by Revived » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:02 am

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Only Matt Ishbia would do such a thing.

It’s funny that Ishbia is the old James Dolan/Dan Snyder type owner. Dolan actually learned to back off and let basketball people handle the basketball work and suddenly the Knicks became a great team and have made great decisions. Snyder sells the team and Washington suddenly goes to the NFC Championship game.

It’s sad but Ishbia is only gonna learn after 5-6 years of massive failures and turning this team into a complete laughing stock. He’s worse than Sarver was when Sarver sold the team. He just happens to be richer than Sarver so it covers up for some fans since he can throw his $$ to make hotdogs available at games or buy a G league team or whatever.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1764 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:10 am

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No where did I hear Beal mention he didn't like the weather in the Midwest is all I'm getting at, and it might not be that big of a factor for him. And I didn't mention anything about him disliking the weather in AZ, I was simply asking questions because you seem to infer that weather environment could be important. I'm saying.. it might not be as big a deal as you are making it. The nightlife might not be as important. That's it. You bring up weather, and nightlife like those are huge important factors for Beal.

Beal mentioning he got the stamp from Book and KD is great. But that was before the Suns traded for him. Now that the three have played together, it obviously isn't working out as they all had hoped. Which is why the whole Jimmy Butler thing is even a rumor right now.

Beal mentioning he wanted to win a championship in D.C is just fluff talk because he just signed a max-contract. :lol: There is nothing there. Beal also cannot easily dictate where he goes, he can only dictate where he won't go. Big difference there.

Beal definitely hears the rumors.
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So just as easily as you might infer it's not as big of a deal, even though he himself said in that very video clip (tweet) that the weather in Phoenix was the icing on the cake for him and they all agreed that nothing beats the weather in Phoenix! That comment illustrates it possibly being more of a factor than you might view it. And it's only an important consideration to the context of each environment involved in this whole trade premise. Also If you look at what most players actually sight in reasons why they choose specific destinations, the majority actually sight weather, nightlife, etc as considerable factors in their decisions. If this was not so, why is it that teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Golden State, etc have such frequent success attracting stars/ players or being high on stars/ players preferred lists of destinations? Opinions being individually scalable, just as much as those factors might not be a big deal to players, the inverse is that they just as easily could. But again, all you really need to do is look at 4:14 of that video clip to hear Beal himself say the weather was a clear factor!

Of course, it isn't working! It was never going to work putting together such a redundant grouping of ball-dominant players all ending possessions just to be effective in their style of play! But that doesn't mean that the players don't get along or hate each other! In fact, just look again at that quote from the article I referenced about his agent saying......... No one has spoken to him or Beal about any trades or waiving the NTC. And just after that, he directly says that.........

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/01/22/bradley-beal-agent-addresses-no-trade-clause-suns/77884295007/#:~:text=Bartelstein%20added%2C%20%E2%80%9CAt%20this%20point,have%20a%20no%2Dtrade%20clause.
Bartelstein added, “At this point, there has not been one conversation about a trade because again, his focus again has been on getting healthy and making it work in Phoenix.


Honestly, The Butler trade rumors speak so much more to Ishbias' irrationally compulsive nature and delusional NBA 2K mentality than they actually do about Beeals' redundancy issues. Isghbia sees a "Big name" and is just all tingly and excited! He can't control himself. But actually, joking and chiding of Ishbias' decisions aside, The real root reason that I'm sure most everyone's deduced by now, really has nothing to do with Beal. But is due to Ishbia trying to pander to Durant by bringing in his good friend in order to secure his extension!

According to ESPN's Kendrick Perkins, Kevin Durant has said he will extend his contract with the Phoenix Suns if they trade for Jimmy Butler. Perkins also reported that the Suns have a two-year, $121 million contract extension ready for Butler.

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Ishbia is such a KD (big-name fanboy) that he'll practically do anything to appease Durant rather than possibly see him leave! Beal is just a convenient excuse for him to trade for Butler and secure Durant staying longer rather than jumping ship as he's shown to do in the past! Also, you may believe that Beal saying he wants to win a championship is just fluff talk, but I disagree! He was always going to get that max deal anyways and didn't need to say any of that for any logical reason unless he truly did mean it. Because you could simply look again at the fact that he didn't choose to veto going to Phoenix when he very easily could have. He also chose Phoenix because BOTH KD and Booker were already there and the clear goal was winning a championship! If that wasn't true, he could have just as easily told the Wizards he wouldn't agree to go there and to just send him elsewhere.

But at the time we traded for him, There were no other teams that Beal even offered as an alternative. Why do you suppose that was?? If he didn't care about trying to contend, why not offer a list of other teams he'd be willing to go to? Lastly, It really isn't a big difference because Beal having full control of where he "won't go"! logically only leaves the team that's trying to trade him with " where he is agreeable to go!" Otherwise they're just stuck with him. So he does dictate where he wants to go simply by having full authority to veto any alternative options. This very simply means that in order to be able to even trade Beal, he clearly has to accept the trade or agree to go to that destination, and by eliminating all other options under his NTC, all that's left as an option is " where he wants to go!"

Regardless of how it's framed or phrased, it's still the same outcome wherein he only goes where he wishes to go or accepts! If this wasn't true, he would've already been traded. So no real difference at all aside from the wording. The semantics of the phrasing still yields the same outcome/ results in the end. :D
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1765 » by BobbieL » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:14 am

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I do not want this cancer on our team and Ishbia will be an even bigger moron if he actually goes through with the trade!

I watched on Gambo that some league insiders are suspecting tampering rules are being violated so lets hope this is not the case or we will probably lose at least one second rounder but possibly more if there is a repeat violation. Silver probably has had enough of Ishbia's stupidity and should send a strong message to owners this type of buffoonery is not to be accepted as the norm.


Tampering happens in every corner of the NBA.

Superstars run the league not Riley or Ishbia.


He got caught doing it with Eubanks of all players to tamper for what makes you think Ishbia learned any lessons since buying the team?


If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1766 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:19 am

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sunsbg wrote:This saga should give leverage to a competent GM, but unfortunately Suns have Jones.

Can’t blame James Jones, Ishbia overrides him. Ishbia himself said that Jones was against trading everything for KD and that Ishbia overruled him on it.

I’m not a Jones fan necessarily but I doubt he has much of a role with the team anymore other than being just a figurehead.


Jones is only a "yes man" who has learned to survive and capitalize on his situation by coddling narcissistic egos between the last two GMs. A lot of people try to give him credit for recent draft picks although we have a new revamped scouting team that identified Dunn and Ighodaro, and the same with Camara last summer. If this wasn't so, And Jones was as good as some try to make him out to be as a talent evaluator, then he wouldn't have whiffed on all the talent he did over the past numerous drafts that we did actually use picks in. But also never forget the most dubious endorsement of his being a horrible judge of talent in saying that he wouldn't have drafted Booker if he was making that pick! :crazy:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1767 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:21 am

BobbieL wrote:
garrick wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Tampering happens in every corner of the NBA.

Superstars run the league not Riley or Ishbia.


He got caught doing it with Eubanks of all players to tamper for what makes you think Ishbia learned any lessons since buying the team?


If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1768 » by TeamTragic » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:23 am

BobbieL wrote:
garrick wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Tampering happens in every corner of the NBA.

Superstars run the league not Riley or Ishbia.


He got caught doing it with Eubanks of all players to tamper for what makes you think Ishbia learned any lessons since buying the team?


If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner


Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1769 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:33 am

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If true,that tweet breaks my heart tbh. People suck

Almost every public figure deals with this, dare I say even the universally loved ones get the odd hate message too for whatever reason.

It's the dark reality that comes with being a public figure

While money isn’t everything, the $60M per year surely gotta help with the outrage they face.

Maybe, maybe not. There certainly shouldn't be some naïve notion that having money means the online harassment/toxicity is any less. Sure there may be a degree of separation if the athletes don't manage their social media account but everyone is so connected it's almost impossible to completely avoid the noise/hate. And that's the public figures themselves; their families/extended family are usually just regular people connected to the rest of the world.

Almost no one is completely disconnected in today's world.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1770 » by Qwigglez » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:38 am

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Alright, whatever you say man. You are absolutely correct about it all. Beal truly meant everything he said. Beal does dictate where he wants to go is exactly the same thing as Beal dictates where he doesn't go. Beal saying the weather was the icing on the cake for him means the weather was a deciding factor.
Beal would have already been traded if this wasn't true. :nod:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1771 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:50 am

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sunsbg wrote:This saga should give leverage to a competent GM, but unfortunately Suns have Jones.

Can’t blame James Jones, Ishbia overrides him. Ishbia himself said that Jones was against trading everything for KD and that Ishbia overruled him on it.

I’m not a Jones fan necessarily but I doubt he has much of a role with the team anymore other than being just a figurehead.

I feel like if all you are is a figurehead, then you deserve just as much criticism. Even great GM's occasionally gets overridden by the owner who is the ultimate decision maker but if the owner is doing way more than he should my view is that then a big part of your role as the GM is to be able to manage upwards and if the owner is continuing to make questionable decisions then you're not doing a good job of managing the owner.

This isn't just isolated to keeping Ishbia's spending/ambitions "in check", it was also managing the underspending and lack of ambition of Sarver, which I don't think he did an outstanding job at either.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1772 » by KdoubleDees23 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:29 am

yall are nuts calling Butler a cancer. I would trade Beal straight up if we can get Butler. I would rather have Butler than beal with KD and booker for the next 2-3 years. Hope this happens.

Now all the Suns will need after this is a separate trade for Nurkic and maybe Allen to get some depth (Defense, etc.)

Wonder what is realistic for a return for Nurkic and Allen.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1773 » by BobbieL » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:41 am

TeamTragic wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
garrick wrote:
He got caught doing it with Eubanks of all players to tamper for what makes you think Ishbia learned any lessons since buying the team?


If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner


Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?


It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1774 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:47 am

Phoenix Suns guard Bradley Beal will not waive his no-trade clause to go to the Chicago Bulls.

The Bulls had been mentioned as one team the Suns could use to facilitate a hypothetical trade for Miami Heat star Jimmy Butler.

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1775 » by BobbieL » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:53 am

KdoubleDees23 wrote:yall are nuts calling Butler a cancer. I would trade Beal straight up if we can get Butler. I would rather have Butler than beal with KD and booker for the next 2-3 years. Hope this happens.

Now all the Suns will need after this is a separate trade for Nurkic and maybe Allen to get some depth (Defense, etc.)

Wonder what is realistic for a return for Nurkic and Allen.


It isn’t straight up. That’s the problem
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1776 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:54 am

BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner


Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?


It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future



Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1777 » by BobbieL » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:03 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?


It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future



Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.


I am not sure the team will even be good. They will decline every year as Durant and Butler age and not able to draft players, no cap flexibility. It’s a slow painful regression
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1778 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:07 am

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Alright, whatever you say man. You are absolutely correct about it all. Beal truly meant everything he said. Beal does dictate where he wants to go is exactly the same thing as Beal dictates where he doesn't go. Beal saying the weather was the icing on the cake for him means the weather was a deciding factor.
Beal would have already been traded if this wasn't true. :nod:


I was only sharing things that he said himself or his agent said. No real biggie as it's all a matter of perspective in the end, and no one's really right or wrong in this, just differing opinions from outside speculation. Either could be right or wrong and we'll never really know due to not being in the room to personally source that information. I do respect your perspectives even if I may not completely agree with them. :dontknow:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1779 » by Qwigglez » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:18 am

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I was only sharing things that he said himself or his agent said. No real biggie as it's all a matter of perspective in the end, and no one's really right or wrong in this, just differing opinions from outside speculation. Either could be right or wrong and we'll never really know due to not being in the room to personally source that information. I do respect your perspectives even if I may not completely agree with them. :dontknow:


I respect your opinion too! And just to add, since it may seem like I am advocating for a trade for Jimmy Butler, I certainly am not. I would much prefer to ride out the season with what we got (actually I would prefer to trade Nurkic if possible). See where the Suns stand, and possibly make some moves this offseason whether it be a full-rebuild or something else.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#1780 » by TeamTragic » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:21 am

BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
If the suns trade for butler and both he and Durant get extensions - what is that 170m for the three of them
What a stupid owner


Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?


It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future


You live in fantasy land if you think that you can win a championship on a budget.

That does not happen unless you have a player like Jokic and even then a cheap owner equals regression.

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