The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[sunsbum]

right now I like the sochan/vassel/filler/14 offer the best as we could definitely flip vassel for a starting center or some kind of 3 team with claxton involved.

[dremill24]

That is what I said but apparently someone wants Green instead

Well if we can get our 3 picks back from Houston along with a couple Houston players, I'd prefer to rebuild...and get something else for KD.

Even with Gobert, I don't think we will finish ahead of OKC, Houston, Denver, Minnesota, GS, LAl, DAL, SA or MEM for sure, so that is 9 teams, and probably the Clippers, especially if healthy. So that is 9 or 10 teams, and even if we make the play in, I wouldn't expect to win 2 games, or even 1 (and in the case we were able to, I would expect to get swept by OKC in the first round (or anyone else that maybe could be the #1 seed, but I think they have that locked down for the foreseeable future as good as they are with as many picks as they have). And it wouldn't surprise me if the Pelicans, Blazers or Kings finish ahead of us.

If we get our picks back than its Green and Brooks coming back. I would not watch that team unless they trade both. Just absolute sht players and human beings. I want to vomit every time I see either of them on a court. Thats a dealbreaker for me and my fandom. Good thing is - Ishbia wants a good (contending? lol) team, and that team does none if it. So he'd likely go for more money and bigger name guys, likely Gobert, etc..

I dont know what kind of human beings they are but Brooks is a legitimately impactful defender who can guard way up in size and has improved his 3pt shooting multiple years in a row (~40% last season). He might literally be the 2nd best player on the team after dealing KD in this scenario lol

[TeamTragic]

right now I like the sochan/vassel/filler/14 offer the best as we could definitely flip vassel for a starting center or some kind of 3 team with claxton involved.

That is probably the second best offer after the Wolves package.

[BobbieL]

Well if we can get our 3 picks back from Houston along with a couple Houston players, I'd prefer to rebuild...and get something else for KD.

Even with Gobert, I don't think we will finish ahead of OKC, Houston, Denver, Minnesota, GS, LAl, DAL, SA or MEM for sure, so that is 9 teams, and probably the Clippers, especially if healthy. So that is 9 or 10 teams, and even if we make the play in, I wouldn't expect to win 2 games, or even 1 (and in the case we were able to, I would expect to get swept by OKC in the first round (or anyone else that maybe could be the #1 seed, but I think they have that locked down for the foreseeable future as good as they are with as many picks as they have). And it wouldn't surprise me if the Pelicans, Blazers or Kings finish ahead of us.

If we get our picks back than its Green and Brooks coming back. I would not watch that team unless they trade both. Just absolute sht players and human beings. I want to vomit every time I see either of them on a court. Thats a dealbreaker for me and my fandom. Good thing is - Ishbia wants a good (contending? lol) team, and that team does none if it. So he'd likely go for more money and bigger name guys, likely Gobert, etc..

I dont know what kind of human beings they are but Brooks is a legitimately impactful defender who can guard way up in size and has improved his 3pt shooting multiple years in a row (~40% last season). He might literally be the 2nd best player on the team after dealing KD in this scenario lol

Brooks also makes like $22m and would have HIGH value on the market for a team that probably has higher playoff aspirations more than the Suns and the Suns might be able to make a trade -- maybe attach O'Neale or Allen as well.

Like Presti making this trade would take Brooks because he has a plan for him --its a series of moves. Just not the final product

[bwgood77]

Why would Minnesota offer Gobert? Because Randle and Reid are expected to opt out?

Who would they play at C? Gobert is a huge part of their success.

If we could get Gobert that would make us significantly better as our defense would improve tremendously.

That is what I said but apparently someone wants Green instead

If the Suns can't flip Green - I would rather have Gobert
Of the veteran players mentioned, like Randle, Marrkanen or Gobert - I would take Gobert

I still prefer what Houston has to offer, if BIG IF, the Suns can flip Green to another team

How many picks do you think Houston would offer for KD (of our own and total)?

[bwgood77]

If the Suns can't flip Green - I would rather have Gobert
Of the veteran players mentioned, like Randle, Marrkanen or Gobert - I would take Gobert

I still prefer what Houston has to offer, if BIG IF, the Suns can flip Green to another team

We can find a taker for Green. Dallas in particular needs help in the back court. Detroit needs a legit #2. BRK, Philly and maybe even ORL need scoring from their guards.

Chatting with some Rockets fan on Twitter - he thinks the trade, post July 1 for an official date is

Brooks
Green
2 of the Suns FRP backs


If thats the deal - the Suns should be trying to flip both Green and Brooks

I'd do that. I'd actually probably prefer the 2027 & 2029 picks, because I think Book will be gone, and we will be near the bottom, if not at the bottom.

[bwgood77]

I think we all can agree that having OKC involved in this would be great for us. They need to go down.


GO PACERS!

They won't trade for KD with the amount of success they've had as a young team, the great chemistry and all the picks they can still add to their team to keep it at the top for years.

They probably come back anyway. If they did it would probably be something like Hartenstein, Joe, Wiggins and their two picks this year. Definitely not one of their key core players. That wouldn't be a bad deal though

They have the 15th and 24th picks this year.

2026:

They have Philly's next year (top 4 protected...they would have gotten it this year) and also get the Houston and Clippers picks (they get the 2 most favorable of those two and their own).

Then they get Utah's protected 1-8 (if they don't get it, the trade extinguishes, so Utah will probably tank one more year to keep it, and even if they don't tank they will probably still be hard pressed to finish better than bottom 8 anyway).

2027

They have Denver's

They can swap with the Clippers (likely will since Clips will be older)

2028

They have Dallas' pick and their own

2029

They have Denver's and their own.

I haven't even mentioned their 2nd rounders...in addition to their own, they get 2nd rounders every year, including 2 in 2028, 4 in 2029 and 3 in 2030.

They can keep building.


But ultimately, I think Presti is a lot smarter than Ishbia and won't trade picks and core young players (even Hartenstein, Joe and Wiggins) for KD when they won 68 games and got to the finals and have all those future assets to keep adding rookie contracts as they have to pay Jalen and Chet.

[bwgood77]

right now I like the sochan/vassel/filler/14 offer the best as we could definitely flip vassel for a starting center or some kind of 3 team with claxton involved.

I like Claxton but the original deal....

[bwgood77]

Well if we can get our 3 picks back from Houston along with a couple Houston players, I'd prefer to rebuild...and get something else for KD.

Even with Gobert, I don't think we will finish ahead of OKC, Houston, Denver, Minnesota, GS, LAl, DAL, SA or MEM for sure, so that is 9 teams, and probably the Clippers, especially if healthy. So that is 9 or 10 teams, and even if we make the play in, I wouldn't expect to win 2 games, or even 1 (and in the case we were able to, I would expect to get swept by OKC in the first round (or anyone else that maybe could be the #1 seed, but I think they have that locked down for the foreseeable future as good as they are with as many picks as they have). And it wouldn't surprise me if the Pelicans, Blazers or Kings finish ahead of us.

If we get our picks back than its Green and Brooks coming back. I would not watch that team unless they trade both. Just absolute sht players and human beings. I want to vomit every time I see either of them on a court. Thats a dealbreaker for me and my fandom. Good thing is - Ishbia wants a good (contending? lol) team, and that team does none if it. So he'd likely go for more money and bigger name guys, likely Gobert, etc..

I dont know what kind of human beings they are but Brooks is a legitimately impactful defender who can guard way up in size and has improved his 3pt shooting multiple years in a row (~40% last season). He might literally be the 2nd best player on the team after dealing KD in this scenario lol

I can't remember who, but someone reputable, like Bobby Marks said that Brooks would be the guy we should get (over Green and FVV) because he is a hard nosed vet that just makes the entire team better and is much more valuable.

[dremill24]

If we get our picks back than its Green and Brooks coming back. I would not watch that team unless they trade both. Just absolute sht players and human beings. I want to vomit every time I see either of them on a court. Thats a dealbreaker for me and my fandom. Good thing is - Ishbia wants a good (contending? lol) team, and that team does none if it. So he'd likely go for more money and bigger name guys, likely Gobert, etc..

I dont know what kind of human beings they are but Brooks is a legitimately impactful defender who can guard way up in size and has improved his 3pt shooting multiple years in a row (~40% last season). He might literally be the 2nd best player on the team after dealing KD in this scenario lol

Brooks also makes like $22m and would have HIGH value on the market for a team that probably has higher playoff aspirations more than the Suns and the Suns might be able to make a trade -- maybe attach O'Neale or Allen as well.

Like Presti making this trade would take Brooks because he has a plan for him --its a series of moves. Just not the final product

Sure...just depends on what the plan is. I dont get the sense that the front office's plan is the same as yours would be.

If their plan is to get better on the defensive end and have a respectable team while you do this re-tooling around Booker, Brooks can be a piece of that, that I think.

If they decide they want different pieces to re-tool in a different way, he may have some value there too.

[Qwigglez]

I don't believe Brooks, Green for KD works if the Suns are in the 2nd apron still.
Green, Smith Jr, and Jock for KD would work financially though.

If the Suns do the Rockets deal, I wonder if the Mavs would shock the world (again) and offer up Cooper Flagg for Booker. It would have to be a deal made after the draft, similar to the Cavs trading Wiggins for Kevin Love in August of 2014. This way, Flagg's salary helps match salaries for Booker and the Mavs would end up only having to trade Klay Thompson, PJ Washington, and Cody Martin. The Mavs would still have Kyrie, Booker, Marshall, AD, Gafford, Christie, Lively, and Hardy.

Meanwhile Suns would have Green, Dunn, Cooper, Oso to build around

[BobbieL]

That is what I said but apparently someone wants Green instead

If the Suns can't flip Green - I would rather have Gobert
Of the veteran players mentioned, like Randle, Marrkanen or Gobert - I would take Gobert

I still prefer what Houston has to offer, if BIG IF, the Suns can flip Green to another team

How many picks do you think Houston would offer for KD (of our own and total)?

At most a couple

[Blonde]

I’ll admit that I’m not confident about the second apron rules and how to get around the aggregation restrictions. MN and PHX are both second apron right now and if the trade is happening before the draft I believe a cap space team would need to get involved as a third team so MN can dip below the 2nd apron. I’m sure the experts have machinations to get it done.

Regarding the proposed package centered by Gobert/Dillingham. I don’t know the scout on Dillingham, but he fills a present/future need. Gobert is absolutely a floor raiser and has been pretty durable in his career. The contract isn’t too bad, but we know his value drops in the playoffs (which he would certainly help us get there). I wouldn’t do the deal without additional draft compensation/prospect but I do feel this is a move that would be enticing for our front office. Not a move to get overly excited about, but better than Vassell/Sochan IMO.

[Slim Charless]

right now I like the sochan/vassel/filler/14 offer the best as we could definitely flip vassel for a starting center or some kind of 3 team with claxton involved.

I like Claxton but the original deal....

If we can send Vassell for Clayton and get Sochan and the #14, that's not bad. I think we can get the Spurs to add some other stuff too. Maybe a few of their seconds.

Back to the other point about OKC, you're probably right and they come back and win this. If they don't its an absolute disaster.

Indy would be the biggest underdog in NBA history to win the title. That's a time frame that goes back to like the 1950s....

Changes will have to be made. Durant would fit in there as a great #2 option. That perfect as they need one cause JDubb/Chetan not being reliable will be the reason they lose, if they lose

[BobbieL]

right now I like the sochan/vassel/filler/14 offer the best as we could definitely flip vassel for a starting center or some kind of 3 team with claxton involved.

I like Claxton but the original deal....

If we can send Vassell for Clayton and get Sochan and the #14, that's not bad. I think we can get the Spurs to add some other stuff too. Maybe a few of their seconds.

Back to the other point about OKC, you're probably right and they come back and win this. If they don't its an absolute disaster.

Indy would be the biggest underdog in NBA history to win the title. That's a time frame that goes back to like the 1950s....

Changes will have to be made. Durant would fit in there as a great #2 option. That

Today, the Spurs seem to be on the outside and not an option anymore

[Slim Charless]

I don't believe Brooks, Green for KD works if the Suns are in the 2nd apron still.
Green, Smith Jr, and Jock for KD would work financially though.

If the Suns do the Rockets deal, I wonder if the Mavs would shock the world (again) and offer up Cooper Flagg for Booker. It would have to be a deal made after the draft, similar to the Cavs trading Wiggins for Kevin Love in August of 2014. This way, Flagg's salary helps match salaries for Booker and the Mavs would end up only having to trade Klay Thompson, PJ Washington, and Cody Martin. The Mavs would still have Kyrie, Booker, Marshall, AD, Gafford, Christie, Lively, and Hardy.

Meanwhile Suns would have Green, Dunn, Cooper, Oso to build around

I think they'd more likely to offer up AD for Booker. They're really deep at center and Flagg plays the 4....same as AD

[sunskerr]

I expect us to be God awful no matter where we send KD. So in that respect id prefer sending him to the Rockets if we can get like 2 of our picks back but I don't think that's what Houston is willing to pay.

But I also am not sure they particularly give a crap about Jalen Green or value him positively. So maybe it's possible? Probably not.

If I were the Rockets I would think their future is gold with our picks. I mean they obviously need a shot creator but I just can't see them giving up big time assets like all the Suns picks for 37 year old KD.

And if we trade KD to another team well those picks go up even further in value so there's some real incentive to not trade for KD in the first place and then target someone else down the road.

[TeamTragic]

I don't think the Rockets return will be as good as the Wolves even with a third or fourth team.

[BobbieL]

I don't think the Rockets return will be as good as the Wolves even with a third or fourth team.

Tragic - what is your Twolves trade -- roughly

[TeamTragic]

I don't think the Rockets return will be as good as the Wolves even with a third or fourth team.

Tragic - what is your Twolves trade -- roughly

You and Saber already mentioned:

Gobert ($35M)
DiVincenzo ($11M)
Dillingham ($6.5M)
#17
#31
2028 Swap
2029 2nd

I'm not sold on the Nets being involved. They want to move up in the draft.