The 2016 Offseason Thread

[NTB]

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/teams/suns/2016/07/08/1468014601537-welcome-home-jdmp4-640744

[Qwigglez]

Cards are falling in sac, is boogie worth taking a look at? If ever i was going to trade Len, boogie would be one of the few guys I would let him go for. I dont know if I would actually pull the trigger on cousins but this is one of the rare times (me personally) I kick the dust off the trade machine, and I NEVER get involved in fantasy trade talk.

I think we have the pieces to make a trade work. I'd give up Len just because he's going to get paid likely more than Cousins is getting now.
I'd do Knight/Len/Tucker/Archie for Gay Cousins. Give up both Miami Picks (no way Kings trade without getting picks, Boston would give up Nets picks if it could land them Cousins). Anything more, I'm not doing it.

The problem though, trading for Cousins is this "culture" that Watson is trying to bring to the team. I am just not so sure that McD and Sarver want another problem child to deal with...

[letsgosuns]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

[BobbieL]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242777/Rudy-Gay-Requests-Trade-From-Kings

Knight/Booker/Warren/Tucker/Chandler for Gay/Cousins

Not Booker.

I would probably do Knight/Tucker/Goodwin for Gay/Collison - something like that

[OGBAH]

No Booker would be a deal breaker for them doesn't matter how many picks we throw imo

[sunsbum]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

I dont know if you read anything i wrote, but i said the cards are falling...I didnt say cousins is available.

Knight goodwin len and picks is better than most teams can offer. In fact, we have enough young talent to mix and match a trade to the kings liking better than any team in the NBA.

Boogie is only a bitch on court, nothing but good things off. Maybe a bunch of kentucky guys changes that, maybe booker/dudley get him in line.

All im saying is if it did happen (and it seems like its heading that direction) you have to look hard at it.

[BobbieL]

http://www.nba.com/suns/now

Live press conference

thanks for posting
watched it

Dudley is the right guy for this team. Put the C on his jersey right now!

Jared Dudley - the anti-Morris signing

[letsgosuns]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

I dont know if you read anything i wrote, but i said the cards are falling...I didnt say cousins is available.

Knight goodwin len and picks is better than most teams can offer. In fact, we have enough young talent to mix and match a trade to the kings liking better than any team in the NBA.

Boogie is only a bitch on court, nothing but good things off. Maybe a bunch of kentucky guys changes that, maybe booker/dudley get him in line.

All im saying is if it did happen (and it seems like its heading that direction) you have to look hard at it.

I was not responding to you specifically. I was responding in general because so many people have mentioned trading for Cousins. Really did not have to do with your post honestly.

[NavLDO]

Cards are falling in sac, is boogie worth taking a look at? If ever i was going to trade Len, boogie would be one of the few guys I would let him go for. I dont know if I would actually pull the trigger on cousins but this is one of the rare times (me personally) I kick the dust off the trade machine, and I NEVER get involved in fantasy trade talk.

I like Len, and REALLY dislike Cousins' potential for locker-room disruption, but talent alone, you almost have to make that deal. It would look like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h6gapjm

...or this...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h87qbpl

and then we sign recently released JaVale McGee for a reasonable price.

Who says no? Yeah, yeah, I know, Sac does, but I'd be willing to throw a pick in there some where to make it enticing...

[darealjuice]

Brandon Knight and Alex Len does not get us Boogie man, even with a guaranteed pick I doubt they'd do it. They don't need any more centers either with WCS and Papagiannis behind Boogie.

[NavLDO]

http://www.nba.com/suns/now

Live press conference

thanks for posting
watched it

Dudley is the right guy for this team. Put the C on his jersey right now!

Jared Dudley - the anti-Morris signing

Can't get it to play on my computer...any chance of 'embedding' the video in a post?? Is that legal? Allowed?? Even possible??

[ATTL]

Is bender better than hernangomez right now?

[darealjuice]

Is bender better than hernangomez right now?

I hope so, Juancho has looked really good so far.

[NavLDO]

Brandon Knight and Alex Len does not get us Boogie man, even with a guaranteed pick I doubt they'd do it. They don't need any more centers either with WCS and Papagiannis behind Boogie.

I get it...I really do, but in the 6 years he's been with them, their best season was last year at 33-49. He's not taking that team ANYWHERE. If I'm Vlade, I trade Cousins for as many young guys and '17 picks as I could acquire in a trade. And while I personally would not make this trade, if I was McD...if I was Vlade, I'd push for something along the lines of:

Booker, Warren, Knight, Bledsoe, and the Suns 2017 1st Rd pick, top 5 protected...
...for...
Boogie, Collison, and Gay

They 'free-up' $5M get 2 very nice up-and-comers in Warren and Booker, and two established, yet still young, players in Bledsoe and Knight, and our pick next year, to add to your young core of McLemore, Skal, and WCS. EDIT: Oh, and Papagiannis

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/McLemore
Warren/Casspi
Skal/???
WCS/Papagiannis

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhopbba

[MrMiyagi]

Brandon Knight and Alex Len does not get us Boogie man, even with a guaranteed pick I doubt they'd do it. They don't need any more centers either with WCS and Papagiannis behind Boogie.

I get it...I really do, but in the 6 years he's been with them, their best season was last year at 33-49. He's not taking that team ANYWHERE. If I'm Vlade, I trade Cousins for as many young guys and '17 picks as I could acquire in a trade. And while I personally would not make this trade, if I was McD...if I was Vlade, I'd push for something along the lines of:

Booker, Warren, Knight, Bledsoe, and the Suns 2017 1st Rd pick, top 5 protected...
...for...
Boogie, Collison, and Gay

They 'free-up' $5M get 2 very nice up-and-comers in Warren and Booker, and two established, yet still young, players in Bledsoe and Knight, and our pick next year, to add to your young core of McLemore, Skal, and WCS.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhopbba

NO!

[bwgood77]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

First of all, the Kings just drafted Papa, the Greek Center Freak with our 13th pick, and they have Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos and Skal Labissiere. I think they don't need Len, particulary when he will be a RFA and command way more than he is worth.

Why would a team like Sacramento trade for Tucker? He would leave there next offseason. Goodwin is trash.

So that leaves Knight.

If they were going to trade Cousins it would take a couple of firsts and one of Bender/Booker for starters.

And after getting through this Morris twin mess, the last person I want on this team is Cousins....(ok, maybe not the last, but the last guy I would trade a huge package for).

[SunsBlood23]

Brandon Knight and Alex Len does not get us Boogie man, even with a guaranteed pick I doubt they'd do it. They don't need any more centers either with WCS and Papagiannis behind Boogie.

I get it...I really do, but in the 6 years he's been with them, their best season was last year at 33-49. He's not taking that team ANYWHERE. If I'm Vlade, I trade Cousins for as many young guys and '17 picks as I could acquire in a trade. And while I personally would not make this trade, if I was McD...if I was Vlade, I'd push for something along the lines of:

Booker, Warren, Knight, Bledsoe, and the Suns 2017 1st Rd pick, top 5 protected...
...for...
Boogie, Collison, and Gay

They 'free-up' $5M get 2 very nice up-and-comers in Warren and Booker, and two established, yet still young, players in Bledsoe and Knight, and our pick next year, to add to your young core of McLemore, Skal, and WCS.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhopbba

NO!

He's saying from the Kings point of view what he would want from us and I agree with him. They may even want one of the Miami picks.

[NavLDO]

Brandon Knight and Alex Len does not get us Boogie man, even with a guaranteed pick I doubt they'd do it. They don't need any more centers either with WCS and Papagiannis behind Boogie.

I get it...I really do, but in the 6 years he's been with them, their best season was last year at 33-49. He's not taking that team ANYWHERE. If I'm Vlade, I trade Cousins for as many young guys and '17 picks as I could acquire in a trade. And while I personally would not make this trade, if I was McD...if I was Vlade, I'd push for something along the lines of:

Booker, Warren, Knight, Bledsoe, and the Suns 2017 1st Rd pick, top 5 protected...
...for...
Boogie, Collison, and Gay

They 'free-up' $5M get 2 very nice up-and-comers in Warren and Booker, and two established, yet still young, players in Bledsoe and Knight, and our pick next year, to add to your young core of McLemore, Skal, and WCS.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hhopbba

NO!

I KNOW!...see above. I'm sayin', if I was Vlade...that's the type of trade I'd go after...dump Cousins and start over and get as much young talent as possible to go with the 3-4 pieces he has.

[Qwigglez]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

Exactly, that's ridiculously stupid. First of all, the Kings just drafted Papa, the Greek Center Freak with our 13th pick, and they have Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos and Skal Labissiere. I think they don't need Len, particulary when he will be a RFA and command way more than he is worth.

Why would a team like Sacramento trade for Tucker? He would leave there next offseason. Goodwin is trash.

So that leaves Knight.

If they were going to trade Cousins it would take a couple of firsts and one of Bender/Booker for starters.

And after getting through this Morris twin mess, the last person I want on this team is Cousins....(ok, maybe not the last, but the last guy I would trade a huge package for).

I never said Kings would accept that kind of deal, I was saying that is as far as I'd go to trade for Cousins. I know the Kings just took Papa with the 13th pick, but the Kings traded Thomas Robinson, the 5th pick during his rookie season. Kostas Koufos is being shopped, as is Ben McLemore. Skal isn't a center at this stage, and I doubt he will play any minutes there for the next two years.

They could flip Tucker for a late 1st, or 2nd rounder, or they buy him out since he expires anyway. Goodwin is trash but you still have to adjust for salary, and maybe they'll find a use for him.

The Kings don't have much time left to build around Cousins since his contract only has two years remaining. Did they improve this offseason, not at all. I doubt even if they land a top 3 pick in next year's draft that Cousins would want to stick around for a rebuild. This summer is probably the Kings best chance at getting top value for Cousins.

Also,you can get your point across without having to say someone's idea is ridiculously stupid.

[bwgood77]

Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

First of all, the Kings just drafted Papa, the Greek Center Freak with our 13th pick, and they have Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos and Skal Labissiere. I think they don't need Len, particulary when he will be a RFA and command way more than he is worth.

Why would a team like Sacramento trade for Tucker? He would leave there next offseason. Goodwin is trash.

So that leaves Knight.

If they were going to trade Cousins it would take a couple of firsts and one of Bender/Booker for starters.

And after getting through this Morris twin mess, the last person I want on this team is Cousins....(ok, maybe not the last, but the last guy I would trade a huge package for).

I never said Kings would accept that kind of deal, I was saying that is as far as I'd go to trade for Cousins. I know the Kings just took Papa with the 13th pick, but the Kings traded Thomas Robinson, the 5th pick during his rookie season. Kostas Koufos is being shopped, as is Ben McLemore. Skal isn't a center at this stage, and I doubt he will play any minutes there for the next two years.

They could flip Tucker for a late 1st, or 2nd rounder, or they buy him out since he expires anyway. Goodwin is trash but you still have to adjust for salary, and maybe they'll find a use for him.

The Kings don't have much time left to build around Cousins since his contract only has two years remaining. Did they improve this offseason, not at all. I doubt even if they land a top 3 pick in next year's draft that Cousins would want to stick around for a rebuild. This summer is probably the Kings best chance at getting top value for Cousins.

Sorry I didn't realize or read your entire post about saying that's all you would offer. In that case, I agree.