Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[thamadkant]

I would be interested in Chinanu Onuaku if we get involved in this deal. He is young and could be a possible replacement for Len and ultimately Chandler's replacement. He is only 21 and fits our timeline.

I also am not totally against a move to bring in Anderson. However the question is what do we get in return or get rid of that we do not want.

I expect that the Knicks would be interested in Bledsoe and our picks.

I think if we offered Bledsoe, Dudley and one of our upcoming picks they might be interested. I like everyone else would like to sub Knight for Bledsoe.

I am not in the dump Bledsoe camp but I do have concerns about his future contract.

I say we offer Knight, Dudley and a pick on a take it or leave it basis. We get Onuaku and Anderson in return.

Ayton or Bamba are likely available next draft when the Suns pick.

[Fo-Real]

Would anyone be willing to trade Knight and change for Noah?
Noah can at least be a semi need (assuming we can then deal away Chandler).

Not saying I'd do it but just a thought.

Nope, would rather see Knight play 40 mins a game. Let me say that louder for effect.... I WOULD RATHER SEE BRANDON EMMANUEL KNIGHT PLAY 40 MINS A GAME THAN EVER HAVE NOAH!! LOL

[Kerrsed]

So im trying to figure out this Melo to Houston trade with the info given. My suspicions are that the 3rd team is Portland. They could use a PF (Specially a stretch 4) and were rumored to be looking at stretch 4's since the beginning of the offseason. Im guessing the contract that nobody wants that they are trying to find a 4th team for is Crabbe, whos contract is much much worse than Knights, and his production is also far less as well.

So how do we get involved to make this thing work to benefit us. Pretty much what we know right now is:

NY wants Melo gone. He will be a cancer in their locker room if he remains. NY is willing to trade Melo to Houston. Houston HAS to include Ryno's contract to make the deal work, and the Knicks want no part of that bad contract. A 3rd team is needed to take on Andersons contract, but his value is low and the contract is bad, so teams wont be willing to give up much unless its another bad contract. Now it comes down to bad contract for bad contract and if those bad contracts can turn it around due to being able to fit in with their new team.

[Dambo]

Don't get your hopes up guys, we are not a part of this trade..

[Kerrsed]

And actually, we could be the 3rd team, but Anderson could be the contract that none of us want.

NY has been looking for a PG to give French Frank time to develop. There have been some horrible names thrown out there like Rose and Rondo, what if they were ok with Knight? I mean his $13M a season is looking better and better compared to all these deals that are being given out to lackluster players. Paying a backup PG $13M is almost the norm now.

After looking for a trade that i think would benefit all teams involved, here is the best i could come up with:

Rockets get: Melo/Chandler
Knicks get: Knight/Gordon/Future HOU 1st
Thunder get: Anderson
Suns get: Kanter/Onuaku (Or Zhou Qi; i prefer Qi)

Rockets get their Melo. They also get playoff tested Chandler to step in and help when needed. They give up the reigning 6th man of the year, but get great value. CP3/Harden/Ariza/Melo/Chandler

Knicks turn Melo into a starting PG, the former 6th man of the year (Who can also play PG) and get a future 1st. Knight/HardawayJr/Thomas/KP/Hernangomez

Thunder switch bad contracts for a player that would be a better fit. Westbrook/Roberson/PG13/Anderson/Kiwi

Suns switch bad contracts for on with a lesser year, and send Chandler to a contender for a small fee. Bledsoe/Booker/Jackson/Chriss/Kanter

[Saberestar]

I have seen so many times here trades for Kanter...the guy can not defend a chair, probably he is even worse than Chriss. Terrible defending the pick and roll, every player wants to face him to make an easy basket.

I would prefer to get Harrell if we are involved on that Knicks/Houston deal. He can defend and finish around the rim.

[RaisingArizona]

Great rules with the timeouts. I know people that hate watching NBA because of all the timeouts and stoppages down the stretch.

Now to fix the foul issue.

[Kerrsed]

I have seen so many times here trades for Kanter...the guy can not defend a chair, probably he is even worse than Chriss. Terrible defending the pick and roll, every player wants to face him to make an easy basket.

I would prefer to get Harrell if we are involved on that Knicks/Houston deal. He can defend and finish around the rim.

He has a better defensive rating than both Len and Chandler.

[SideSwipe]

I'm not pushing for it, but there is a lot of sense to moving Bledsoe so Knight can shine. If wins aren't the motivation (yet again...) then maximizing value while developing guys should be. Getting minutes for Knight is one way to do that. He needs to work in the system and realize he is not the go-to guy. He should pass and initiate the offense. When he has confidence in the guys he is passing to, he passes more willingly. He has such great physical tools, we could really use a chance to help him get his mind straight. A three-way trade with CAVS is the way to do it, but it has to be a way that gives Dan Gilbert assurances that if LBJ leaves he will still be able to field a team.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Chandler, Warren
PHX receives:Zinger, Noah, Frye

Knight/Ulis
Booker/ DJJ/ Reed
Jackson/ Bender/ Peters
Chriss/ Williams/Dudley
Zinger/Frye/Noah

PHX moves forward is asset building by bringing in rising star Porzingis, while opening up immediate time for Jackson. Knight gets to rehab his name in a low-pressure environment. He may still fail, but he would be given the opportunity. The expense is taking on Noah for the remainder or his contract.

CLE trades: Irving, Love, Frye
CLE receives: Bledsoe, Melo, Chandler, Warren, NYK 2018 #1 pick

Bledsoe/ Felder
Smith/ Shumpert/ Jefferson
Melo/ Warren/ Osman
LBJ/ Thompson
Chandler/ Tavares

CLE pulls the trigger to get better with players LBJ is known to want in CLE with him. It also protects Gilbert by providing future or rising assets as well in Warren and the 2018 pick. Even if LBJ leaves, CLE will still be able to compete with who is left.

NYK trades: Melo, Zinger, Noah, 2018 #1 pick
NY receives: Irving, Love

Irving/Ntilikina
Lee/ Baker
THJ/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Love/
Willy/ O'Quinn

NYK sends out yesterdays news to generate some new buzz and win. They keep Willy in this scenario and bring in Irving and Love at the cost of Zinger and Melo. That team will be ready to be a top 4-6 seed in the East. NY should smile despite the cost.

[suns91fan]

I have seen so many times here trades for Kanter...the guy can not defend a chair, probably he is even worse than Chriss. Terrible defending the pick and roll, every player wants to face him to make an easy basket.

I would prefer to get Harrell if we are involved on that Knicks/Houston deal. He can defend and finish around the rim.

He has a better defensive rating than both Len and Chandler.

Defensive rating is pretty useless stat for cross-team player comparisons. Bad defender on a good defensive team will have better rating than good defender on a bad defensive team. For example, per defensive rating, Curry beats Beverley, Okafor beats Tucker (on Suns) etc. Tucker, while he was here, had a rating of 111, but on Raptors (who are better than Suns defensively) he suddenly gets a lot better rating of 106. He is still the same player, but he went to a better defensive team, and as a result his rating got better.

[King4Day]

Would anyone be willing to trade Knight and change for Noah?
Noah can at least be a semi need (assuming we can then deal away Chandler).

Not saying I'd do it but just a thought.

Nope, would rather see Knight play 40 mins a game. Let me say that louder for effect.... I WOULD RATHER SEE BRANDON EMMANUEL KNIGHT PLAY 40 MINS A GAME THAN EVER HAVE NOAH!! LOL

My thinking is, Noah might benefit from our med staff. I'd rather have a player on the team who could potentially contribute than not. He's only making 3-4 mil per over the next few years.
Even if he's not great, he could fill a need where we simply have absolutely no room anymore for Knight. I just hate the thought of cutting him and stretching that cap over 7 years possibly. Such a waste of money.

[Cutter]

I'm not pushing for it, but there is a lot of sense to moving Bledsoe so Knight can shine. If wins aren't the motivation (yet again...) then maximizing value while developing guys should be. Getting minutes for Knight is one way to do that. He needs to work in the system and realize he is not the go-to guy. He should pass and initiate the offense. When he has confidence in the guys he is passing to, he passes more willingly. He has such great physical tools, we could really use a chance to help him get his mind straight. A three-way trade with CAVS is the way to do it, but it has to be a way that gives Dan Gilbert assurances that if LBJ leaves he will still be able to field a team.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Chandler, Warren
PHX receives:Zinger, Noah, Frye

Knight/Ulis
Booker/ DJJ/ Reed
Jackson/ Bender/ Peters
Chriss/ Williams/Dudley
Zinger/Frye/Noah

PHX moves forward is asset building by bringing in rising star Porzingis, while opening up immediate time for Jackson. Knight gets to rehab his name in a low-pressure environment. He may still fail, but he would be given the opportunity. The expense is taking on Noah for the remainder or his contract.

CLE trades: Irving, Love, Frye
CLE receives: Bledsoe, Melo, Chandler, Warren, NYK 2018 #1 pick

Bledsoe/ Felder
Smith/ Shumpert/ Jefferson
Melo/ Warren/ Osman
LBJ/ Thompson
Chandler/ Tavares

CLE pulls the trigger to get better with players LBJ is known to want in CLE with him. It also protects Gilbert by providing future or rising assets as well in Warren and the 2018 pick. Even if LBJ leaves, CLE will still be able to compete with who is left.

NYK trades: Melo, Zinger, Noah, 2018 #1 pick
NY receives: Irving, Love

Irving/Ntilikina
Lee/ Baker
THJ/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Love/
Willy/ O'Quinn

NYK sends out yesterdays news to generate some new buzz and win. They keep Willy in this scenario and bring in Irving and Love at the cost of Zinger and Melo. That team will be ready to be a top 4-6 seed in the East. NY should smile despite the cost.

That would be a ballsy move by Cavs to trade both Love and Irving. Not sure if LeBron would sign off on that big a trade. They do get a nice haul in return though and Melo-Warren could be a deadly scoring duo, especially with TJ coning off the bench.

Plus Suns get the Zinger unicorn from NY. I'd do this trade.

[King4Day]

Don't get your hopes up guys, we are not a part of this trade..

It wouldn't be the worst thing. I think people just want something to happen.
Did you hear anything or just can't see us involved?

[Dambo]

Don't get your hopes up guys, we are not a part of this trade..

It wouldn't be the worst thing. I think people just want something to happen.
Did you hear anything or just can't see us involved?

Didn't hear anything..

[TASTIC]

Don't worry guys, I got this.

I actually REALLY like this deal for the Bucks, and the Rockets replace Ryno with Teletovic.

Monroe's off the books and plays one year on a mission as our starting tank commander/C, Knight goes to NY and reclaims some semblance off value.

Sweeten the deal for the Knicks by HOU giving them a protected 1st.

WHO SAYS NO!?

[thamadkant]

I dont think Rox wants to lose Gordon, he is key for them on the perimeter when one of Harden or Paul is resting.

[bwgood77]

I need to know if this is satire or not for +1 considerations. Thanks.

Of course it is.

[bwgood77]

The ONLY way the Rockets would take Knight is if they could dump Noah onto us, but I doubt we will dump Knight in a NY deal, unless Houston gives both team picks, but they already gave one up for Paul. I don't think they will give up value. The big problem is NY wants value for Melo since he was an all star. They don't want to take back no value. Even if they got to the point they wanted to dump him, they won't take BAD contracts back. The problem is Houston HAS to give up value to land Melo and I don't know what they will give up. I guess Ariza? That's almost certainly a piece that has to move, but he's expiring, so he doesn't have as much value if people want him. They really need Capela. I guess they might give him up, but I don't know who would be their center.

It just doesn't seem like they have enough value to give up unless someone wants well into the future picks, and that team getting them wants to send something to NY that makes it worthwhile for them.

The single biggest problem here is that Houston doesn't seem to have the pieces. Maybe if they deal Ariza AND Gordon if NY wants them. It would probably make NY's team quite a bit better...or if another team wants those guys and will send pieces to NY.

It certainly doesn't seem like Houston should land and all star and get rid of Anderson in the same deal. They can't get rid of Anderson in the first place, so they are going to do it here? They kind of have to if they don't trade Gordon and Ariza but it doesn't make much common sense.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Any chance we'd be interested in Nerlens Noel?

[AtheJ415]

I would be interested in Chinanu Onuaku if we get involved in this deal. He is young and could be a possible replacement for Len and ultimately Chandler's replacement. He is only 21 and fits our timeline.

I also am not totally against a move to bring in Anderson. However the question is what do we get in return or get rid of that we do not want.

I expect that the Knicks would be interested in Bledsoe and our picks.

I think if we offered Bledsoe, Dudley and one of our upcoming picks they might be interested. I like everyone else would like to sub Knight for Bledsoe.

I am not in the dump Bledsoe camp but I do have concerns about his future contract.

I say we offer Knight, Dudley and a pick on a take it or leave it basis. We get Onuaku and Anderson in return.

Anderson's contract is as bad or worse than Knight's for this team imo (he is getting 18-20 mil over the next 3 years. I get he is better than Knight, but he's also older and as horrid a fit for this team), Dudley is worth a pick to some teams, and we are also throwing in another pick, all to get Onuaku? Onuaku simply isn't that good. I would be okay taking him as a sweetener in a deal but this is a net loss imo. I'd rather have Dudley stay here given his real role on the team and I just don't see how moving his movable deal to dump Knight's heavy overpaid contract for Ryan Anderson who is also overpaid but even pricier makes sense.