WeekapaugGroove wrote:BobbieL wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:
I like Warren too. I just look at it where if the goal is to add an impact player that guy is probaly making 20-25 mil per year so when you start looking at appealing packages one that has a player entering their prime on a reasonable deal (Warren), plus draft picks (not including this yrs suns pick), plus either an expiring or pure cap relief using their space is the kind of deal another team might want because it serves multiple purposes for them.
In my trade scenarios of trying to get the player for the dollars you mention in a sign/trade - my assets being used first are - and its tricky - but
Chris - just not feeling him over Bender, Jackson or Warren and he is cheap for two more years
Ulis - not guaranteed
the Heat pick - this one is tough because the suns will make this pick before free agency/trading opens
Daniels - expiring
Williams - sorry Sauce - not guaranteed
maybe you can add Dudley or Chandler as an expiring - but that would probably mean the bucks pick too
I am coming up short if Williams, Dudley or Tyson are not used but I just don't want to move Warren - I like guys that can score the ball. He is just an old fashioned scorer
Yeah I see where you're coming from and the fact the Suns can create some cap space by renouncing Len and Monroes money falling off helps because they will be able to take back more money than they send out. What sucks for them is if a team wants any useful player coming back making any money Warren has to be included because their other big contracts (Dudley, Chandler, Knight) are either only useful as expirings or completely negative in the case of Knight.
With all that said I don't think its any sure thing a deal like this materializes. So many factors have to go right. The 'star' that becomes available has to fit both from a positional and age range, plus other teams will be bidding so you need to have the package they want, and last but not least that 'star' needs to at least want to come to Phoenix to the point where they won't throw a fit if they are traded here. It's a lot of variables and it's why I've been saying for a while that I don't think the 'trade for a star' avenue should be the number one team building goal but more something you need to be open to if everything aligns.
I agree - making the right for the right established player, "star" - will be tricky I almost think the Suns should try to bring back Payton, if he shows something with cap space. Maybe sign a guy to a one year deal for 6-8m m (as if you renounce Len, Peters, waive Ulis and sign Payton for 8m or under) - that leaves aroun d6-8m in cap space
So, 2018/19 roster would have all these players under 25
Payton, Booker, Chriss, Bender, Jackson, Warren, Reed, Sauce, Heat Pick, Suns pick
That's 10 players. Granted no Booker and probably not Payton - but still many other players that hopefully show something to the league and are worth trading for as the Suns will have lots of expirings in 19: Daniels, Chandler, Dudley and again, Williams can be a non guaranteed deal.
Hopefully adding Knight and this "veteran" improve the team but also - that gives you a year to value all these young guys to see who is worth keeping in 19/20 and who can be traded - as the Suns will still have plenty of picks to deal if you include the Bucks pick and the Heat pick in 2021.
