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Post#1781 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:51 pm

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dean456 wrote:You want Dragic and pick 13 for TJ and pick 6?
Personally I wouldn't and that also doesn't work cap wise.

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It does, Dragic's making $19,217,900 if he opts in and Tyler Johnson is making 19,245,370 next season when he opts in. Did you think I meant TJ Warren?
**** yeah my bad. It's probably fair value wise but personally I wouldn't do it. I didn't like how goran looked last year and it's only a 1 year bandaid for the position so I probably wouldn't move down to do it. I wouldn't kill the suns if they did just not something I like.

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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1782 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:53 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Personally I wouldn't and that also doesn't work cap wise.

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It does, Dragic's making $19,217,900 if he opts in and Tyler Johnson is making 19,245,370 next season when he opts in. Did you think I meant TJ Warren?
**** yeah my bad. It's probably fair value wise but personally I wouldn't do it. I didn't like how goran looked last year and it's only a 1 year bandaid for the position so I probably wouldn't move down to do it. I wouldn't kill the suns if they did just not something I like.

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I think that would be way too much to give up for Goran. And mainly its his health and not be available. Plus, Clarke is probably gone at 13 and that would be a trade down candidate.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1783 » by dean456 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:59 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Personally I wouldn't and that also doesn't work cap wise.

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It does, Dragic's making $19,217,900 if he opts in and Tyler Johnson is making 19,245,370 next season when he opts in. Did you think I meant TJ Warren?
**** yeah my bad. It's probably fair value wise but personally I wouldn't do it. I didn't like how goran looked last year and it's only a 1 year bandaid for the position so I probably wouldn't move down to do it. I wouldn't kill the suns if they did just not something I like.

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Fair enough, Dragic was a bit banged up last season and we were seeing production from Winslow at PG which led us to start him there the second half of the season. Dragic did look good after he came back, just wasn't playing the same role.
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Post#1784 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:13 pm

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dean456 wrote:It does, Dragic's making $19,217,900 if he opts in and Tyler Johnson is making 19,245,370 next season when he opts in. Did you think I meant TJ Warren?
**** yeah my bad. It's probably fair value wise but personally I wouldn't do it. I didn't like how goran looked last year and it's only a 1 year bandaid for the position so I probably wouldn't move down to do it. I wouldn't kill the suns if they did just not something I like.

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Fair enough, Dragic was a bit banged up last season and we were seeing production from Winslow at PG which led us to start him there the second half of the season. Dragic did look good after he came back, just wasn't playing the same role.
You guys definitely need to keep Winslow at PG, he helped me win my dynasty roto league and I want to keep him :)

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Post#1785 » by Domejandro » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:39 pm

Jeff Teague and #11 for Tyler Johnson and #6 is also something that I could see being the framework for a deal. Much like Goran Dragić, he played banged up last season before we shut him down, but that is an adequate, starting Point-Guard making a little less than Tyler Johnson.

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Post#1786 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:42 pm

I think the best argument for doing a stop gap type deal like Goran or teague would be it could prevent them from doing something stupid and damaging long term. And as a suns fan that has value :)

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Post#1787 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:46 pm

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Post#1788 » by Desertfox » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:01 pm

Goran and Rubio would have been great last year with Igor.

Trade down with Atlanta, then trade one of those picks to the Nets for Dinwiddle?
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Post#1789 » by darmani » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:18 pm

dean456 wrote:You want Dragic and pick 13 for TJ and pick 6? :lol:

Go kill yourself.

Domejandro wrote:Jeff Teague and #11 for Tyler Johnson and #6 is also something that I could see being the framework for a deal. Much like Goran Dragić, he played banged up last season before we shut him down, but that is an adequate, starting Point-Guard making a little less than Tyler Johnson.

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And you too.

I wouldn't trade Johnson for either of these corpses. Tyler is and will be a better player next season and in the future. I'd bet my left nut that Tyler Johnson will get a bigger contract than Teague and Tragic when all these 3 guys hit the free agency in 2020.

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Post#1790 » by Fo-Real » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:25 pm

darmani wrote:
dean456 wrote:You want Dragic and pick 13 for TJ and pick 6? :lol:

Go kill yourself.

Domejandro wrote:Jeff Teague and #11 for Tyler Johnson and #6 is also something that I could see being the framework for a deal. Much like Goran Dragić, he played banged up last season before we shut him down, but that is an adequate, starting Point-Guard making a little less than Tyler Johnson.

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And you too.

I wouldn't trade Johnson for either of these corpses. Tyler is and will be a better player next season and in the future. I'd bet my left nut that Tyler Johnson will get a bigger contract than Teague and Tragic when all these 3 guys hit the free agency in 2020.


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Post#1791 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:28 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I think the best argument for doing a stop gap type deal like Goran or teague would be it could prevent them from doing something stupid and damaging long term. And as a suns fan that has value :)

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Teague and Clarke for Tyler and 6th pick - interesting idea

And yes, this would be a move that isn't like the Summer of 2010 -- and htat does have value!
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Post#1792 » by Saberestar » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:34 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Is ball better than Rubio? Both good defenders and passers but holes in other parts of their game. Ball also has that laughable bad FT shooting.

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True. Ball is not that great of a shooter and the Suns need shooters.

What if the Suns traded Tyler for JR/Zizic - could the Suns get both Rubio to play PG and a guy like Seth Curry to be the shooter and rotate in. Suns would net about 15m in the trade - a bit more if they stretched JR Smith. Rubio for 8 and Curry for 6.

I mention Ball for the 6th pick as a way to use the 6th pick for a veteran in a trade. Rubio is a FA - sure not using the 6th pick in an S&T to get him unless others are involved.
My overall point is why burn the 6th pick on ball when you can simply sign a similar player. Now if they believe ball has a bunch of untapped potential maybe you do it because he fits the age of this group more and you have his RFA rights in two years.

IMO you're way to quick to give away the 6th pick for basically space. It's not a good draft but that's still not a good use of resources.

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Ball is a way better athlete than Rubio and he has more potential.

Rubio is smart, good defender and he really knows how to play the game so he would help us a lot on those aspects, but he said in his last interview that he wants to play next season for a playoff team and he is very jealous of Marc Gasol these days...so I think that he wouldn't consider the Suns as an option.
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Post#1793 » by oddity » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:39 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:DinWiddie is not a dribble drive penetrator we need with the 6th pick. You need someone who can get by their man and drive and kick effectively

Lonzo Ball is that guy. Give me Lonzo, which we'd have to do in a 3 way trade with New Orleans with the Lakers getting AD most likely.

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Post#1794 » by Saberestar » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:46 pm

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Post#1795 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:53 pm

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I replied to her that one PG fits that profile: Jrue Holiday


Not Lowry. Not Conley. and many on this board have come up with similar trades - its not rocket science

maybe you S&T trade for D"Lo or Kemba with that package
but again, both are Free Agents
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Post#1796 » by Saberestar » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:06 pm

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I replied to her that one PG fits that profile: Jrue Holiday


Not Lowry. Not Conley. and many on this board have come up with similar trades - its not rocket science

maybe you S&T trade for D"Lo or Kemba with that package
but again, both are Free Agents

That package for Holiday makes sense for the Pelicans.

Another starting PG who we can probably try to get is Reggie Jackson. He will be an expiring next season, $18M. He is an upgrade over Tyler Johnson and is in his prime.

Jeff Bower traded for him before on the Pistons.

#6 + Tyler Johnson for #15 and Reggie Jackson?

At #15 we can draft someone like Hachimure, Clarke, Sekou, Williams or PJ to play backup PF for us...a lot of options in that range.
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Post#1797 » by matt131 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:06 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
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I replied to her that one PG fits that profile: Jrue Holiday


Not Lowry. Not Conley. and many on this board have come up with similar trades - its not rocket science

maybe you S&T trade for D"Lo or Kemba with that package
but again, both are Free Agents


I'd rather not end up with Kemba. Not who we need at all.

Jrue is obviously the perfect fit, but that really depends on an AD trade. And even if he leaves, I think the pelicans have been rumored to wanting to keep Jrue anyway. But dang, he would be the best fit possible.

DLo would be fun and exciting and a lot of noise would be made about the move, but I'm not sure it's the safest option.

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Post#1798 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:07 pm

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She's certainly not lacking for confidence in herself. Now if you want to play detective one could see this as the suns actually wanting to trade for one of the guys Gambo is saying they don't want. Both Paul and Conley would basically match the salary of what she's throwing out there...

This offseason is kind of frightening honestly.
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Post#1799 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:16 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
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She's certainly not lacking for confidence in herself. Now if you want to play detective one could see this as the suns actually wanting to trade for one of the guys Gambo is saying they don't want. Both Paul and Conley would basically match the salary of what she's throwing out there...

This offseason is kind of frightening honestly.


My thing with both Nevel and Gambo - and maybe I should give her more credit but its the same philosophy as Gambo - how do they have the "street cred" yet with Jones, Bower and Bukstein. It takes a long time for a reporter to develop the trust and confidence that Will McDonough had, Shefter has today, Gammons and Rosenthal have and for the NBA, Woj and Shams. I just don't see Jones as the type to be sharing stuff with people who would share it with Ashley Nevel or John Gambadorro.

Paul Coro was the ultimate beat reporter. He never shared trade innuendo or gossip unless it was too totally categorically deny something. But by keeping a lot of information in house, the Front Office could trust him not to blab and than after he could share the details.

Paul makes no sense because of the 124 left
Conley might make some sense
either player, not giving up the 6 as taking those contracts should be the VALUE to either Memphis or Houston. I don't want Paul either way.

I have a feeling Gambo is being fed stuff so the Suns can track these rumors on their terms

Ashley Nevel - maybe hearing some stuff and making educated guesses.
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Post#1800 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:17 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
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She's certainly not lacking for confidence in herself. Now if you want to play detective one could see this as the suns actually wanting to trade for one of the guys Gambo is saying they don't want. Both Paul and Conley would basically match the salary of what she's throwing out there...

This offseason is kind of frightening honestly.


I assume you'd rather have Conley than Paul? They could also be open to Ball which he denied...but it wouldn't fit with her second tweet.

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