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Post#1781 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:56 pm

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Sad thing about that graphic? We could have had both Markannen and Haliburton on this team without giving any of the core away...


It's pretty crazy Ayton he's 6th in PPS in that graphic given it feels like he's had a few games in which he shot poorly in games after his ankle injuries and illness. I guess his 6/20 game was after that graphic though he did get to the line 10 times so ended up with 19 pts and almost 1 PPS in a game he shot as poorly as that.

Last year I think he was #1 with historic efficiency. I imagine he will get a lot better when we are finally completely healthy (if we ever get there).
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Post#1782 » by Saberestar » Wed Feb 1, 2023 9:52 am

Teammates are shooting 69% on passes from Deandre Ayton after an offensive rebound. Generating 1.827 PPP.

And in what continues to be a ridiculous stat - PHX are 13 of 15 on 3 point attempts in this scenario.

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Post#1784 » by StarMaker » Wed Feb 8, 2023 3:59 am

Avg 25 pts 12.5 reb 74% fg%

It's just 4 games this month, but what a great start!!

The Ayton is back!! :D

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Post#1785 » by garrick » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:40 am

Ayton is a finesse player so when he came back from his illness he was clearly out of rhythm and went 6-20 and got roasted by the media and fans.

Now that he's had a few games to get acclimated his hook shots are back and he's also starting to take it strong to the rim which is always nice to see.
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Post#1786 » by Saberestar » Wed Feb 8, 2023 10:35 am

Last two games:

31 points and 16 rebounds. Win on the road.
35 points and 15 rebounds. Win on the road.
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Post#1787 » by Saberestar » Wed Feb 8, 2023 10:58 am

garrick wrote:Ayton is a finesse player so when he came back from his illness he was clearly out of rhythm and went 6-20 and got roasted by the media and fans.

Now that he's had a few games to get acclimated his hook shots are back and he's also starting to take it strong to the rim which is always nice to see.

Yeah, I know that sometimes people don't want to hear excuses and just want good results, but excuses are for real in life.

He had a truthful excuse for two of his worst games in the season. That one coming back after his illness (6/20) and that one against the Wolves (5-18) after coming back from an ankle sprain.

The guy wants to help on the court and he probably doesn't take enough time to get back to the court in perfect condition. That's a good sign IMO. He cares about the team.
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Post#1788 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 8, 2023 1:55 pm

DA's been great the past few games, very encouraging for him to stack success like this.

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Post#1789 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 8, 2023 2:36 pm

The gravity we hoped for since last year is starting to happen. Chris has always been a threat, Book is obvious, Bridges is NOW a legit threat and Cam is back and you cant sag off that dude. He can effectively dominate the paint with countless pin downs, cuts and midrange over any single defender unlucky enough to be stuck down there with him. Ride him until they are forced to double and since he is a proven smart passer, your shooters will kill them if they do. (theoretically)
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Post#1790 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:31 pm

Fo-Real wrote:The gravity we hoped for since last year is starting to happen. Chris has always been a threat, Book is obvious, Bridges is NOW a legit threat and Cam is back and you cant sag off that dude. He can effectively dominate the paint with countless pin downs, cuts and midrange over any single defender unlucky enough to be stuck down there with him. Ride him until they are forced to double and since he is a proven smart passer, your shooters will kill them if they do. (theoretically)
Spot on. And this is why I constantly **** on ideas to add a 'real PF'. Cams shooting is just so damn important and makes life easier for DA.

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Post#1791 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:44 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:The gravity we hoped for since last year is starting to happen. Chris has always been a threat, Book is obvious, Bridges is NOW a legit threat and Cam is back and you cant sag off that dude. He can effectively dominate the paint with countless pin downs, cuts and midrange over any single defender unlucky enough to be stuck down there with him. Ride him until they are forced to double and since he is a proven smart passer, your shooters will kill them if they do. (theoretically)
Spot on. And this is why I constantly **** on ideas to add a 'real PF'. Cams shooting is just so damn important and makes life easier for DA.

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Agreed as a starter, but we could still use real rim runner defender, pf for the bench crew. We need someone with more size than Craig and more athletic than Saric.
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Post#1792 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:58 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:The gravity we hoped for since last year is starting to happen. Chris has always been a threat, Book is obvious, Bridges is NOW a legit threat and Cam is back and you cant sag off that dude. He can effectively dominate the paint with countless pin downs, cuts and midrange over any single defender unlucky enough to be stuck down there with him. Ride him until they are forced to double and since he is a proven smart passer, your shooters will kill them if they do. (theoretically)
Spot on. And this is why I constantly **** on ideas to add a 'real PF'. Cams shooting is just so damn important and makes life easier for DA.

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Agreed as a starter, but we could still use real rim runner defender, pf for the bench crew. We need someone with more size than Craig and more athletic than Saric.
Sure. I'd like a good 4/5 type for the bench. They don't really have that small ball 5 type right now.

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Post#1793 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 10:19 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:The gravity we hoped for since last year is starting to happen. Chris has always been a threat, Book is obvious, Bridges is NOW a legit threat and Cam is back and you cant sag off that dude. He can effectively dominate the paint with countless pin downs, cuts and midrange over any single defender unlucky enough to be stuck down there with him. Ride him until they are forced to double and since he is a proven smart passer, your shooters will kill them if they do. (theoretically)
Spot on. And this is why I constantly **** on ideas to add a 'real PF'. Cams shooting is just so damn important and makes life easier for DA.

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Yep agree and I wouldn't be opposed to adding a more traditional type of PF (interior scorer) that comes off the bench to give us a different look.
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Post#1794 » by NapoleonII » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:52 pm

Ayton/Book/KD is going to be beautiful offense.
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Post#1795 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:36 pm

How do you see Ayton's role alongside KD? He's by the far the best offensive center (and with the highest usage) that KD has played with in his whole career. I can see them being pretty deadly together, the thing with KD is he doesn't really need his 5 to provide any spacing for him since he gets what he wants on offense so Ayton will be able to stay in the paint, and in turn that will also help open things up for KD since Ayton is such a threat 1v1. Is Ayton a rhythm player that can have his efficiency hurt with less touches?


Defensively I think they'll be good together, KD's an elite weakside rim protector with his mobility and length while Ayton brings the physicality against bigger 5s.
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Post#1796 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:43 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:How do you see Ayton's role alongside KD? He's by the far the best offensive center (and with the highest usage) that KD has played with in his whole career. I can see them being pretty deadly together, the thing with KD is he doesn't really need his 5 to provide any spacing for him since he gets what he wants on offense so Ayton will be able to stay in the paint, and in turn that will also help open things up for KD since Ayton is such a threat 1v1. Is Ayton a rhythm player that can have his efficiency hurt with less touches?


Defensively I think they'll be good together, KD's an elite weakside rim protector with his mobility and length while Ayton brings the physicality against bigger 5s.


Ayton's efficiency was highest when he had 12 shots a game, and then slightly behind when he had 10 shots a game....far better than guys like Shaq, etc.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01.html

Also, he is great from anywhere inside the arc...this year has struggled a lot due to injuries, shuffling lineups and more defensive attention, but look at his FG% from each range here...last year he had one of the highest FG%s ever with a player shooting 11 or more shots a game....at one point 2nd best ever..and what is amazing about it is that 2/3 of his shot were away from the rim...more mid range...and short/mid, long/mid

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01/shooting/2022

At the bottom of chart, look at splits by shot distance...58.8% from 3-10 ft, 55% from 10-16,46.3% from 16ft-3pt line

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Post#1797 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:59 pm

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sashaturiaf wrote:How do you see Ayton's role alongside KD? He's by the far the best offensive center (and with the highest usage) that KD has played with in his whole career. I can see them being pretty deadly together, the thing with KD is he doesn't really need his 5 to provide any spacing for him since he gets what he wants on offense so Ayton will be able to stay in the paint, and in turn that will also help open things up for KD since Ayton is such a threat 1v1. Is Ayton a rhythm player that can have his efficiency hurt with less touches?


Defensively I think they'll be good together, KD's an elite weakside rim protector with his mobility and length while Ayton brings the physicality against bigger 5s.


Ayton's efficiency was highest when he had 12 shots a game, and then slightly behind when he had 10 shots a game....far better than guys like Shaq, etc.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01.html

Also, he is great from anywhere inside the arc...this year has struggled a lot due to injuries, shuffling lineups and more defensive attention, but look at his FG% from each range here...last year he had one of the highest FG%s ever with a player shooting 11 or more shots a game....at one point 2nd best ever..and what is amazing about it is that 2/3 of his shot were away from the rim...more mid range...and short/mid, long/mid

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01/shooting/2022

At the bottom of chart, look at splits by shot distance...58.8% from 3-10 ft, 55% from 10-16,46.3% from 16ft-3pt line

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Excited for the possibilities. Aytons touch is uncommon for a guy that size. Claxton has been locking guys down all season but couldn't do much against Ayton. Too big and too good.
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Post#1798 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:10 pm

I think KD and the attention he draws will be very good for DA. Really really need him locked in on D now.

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Post#1799 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:11 pm

Mikal was starting to really see and make those great assist passes when he became Booker-lite over the past month or so. But people tend to overlook just how good a playmaker KD is because obviously his main thing is scoring. Over the past two seasons he's averaged just under 6apg. DA is going to be a recipient of a lot of those assists. I expect the paint should be even more open with Durant's massive gravity
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Post#1800 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:23 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Mikal was starting to really see and make those great assist passes when he became Booker-lite over the past month or so. But people tend to overlook just how good a playmaker KD is because obviously his main thing is scoring. Over the past two seasons he's averaged just under 6apg. DA is going to be a recipient of a lot of those assists. I expect the paint should be even more open with Durant's massive gravity


Playmaking is definitely the most underrated part of KD's game. At his height and with the defensive attention he gets, he will get his 5 a few easy buckets a night consistently. Ayton should be able to feast off that.

Where KD gets into trouble is when he tries to playmake by dribbling from 25 foot and out, then he becomes pretty turnover prone. With Booker and CP3 here I don't see the need for him to be doing that consistently though.

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