2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Discussion on the premise of the Butler trade, But also mention of a Nurkic/1st to New York for Robinson filler (brings up Kolek/Sims which would be cool)! Honestly though IF having to attach a freaking 1st to get rid of Nurkic, even though I'd much rather just hold onto him and move him this summer as an expiring asset. Then getting back Robinson and Kolek whom we actually wanted in the draft would be cool.

[BobbieL]

Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?

It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future

You live in fantasy land if you think that you can win a championship on a budget.

That does not happen unless you have a player like Jokic and even then a cheap owner equals regression.

Who said anything on a budget. It’s the composition of the team without draft picks or cap flexibility. An aging roster that will only get worse with KD and Butler. Under the new CBA, this model is not in scope. Ishbia hasn’t figured it out

Plus Butler is not the same player he was . It’s a bad mix of a team

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Lol! Go figure!

[BobbieL]

I was only sharing things that he said himself or his agent said. No real biggie as it's all a matter of perspective in the end, and no one's really right or wrong in this, just differing opinions from outside speculation. Either could be right or wrong and we'll never really know due to not being in the room to personally source that information. I do respect your perspectives even if I may not completely agree with them.

I respect your opinion too! And just to add, since it may seem like I am advocating for a trade for Jimmy Butler, I certainly am not. I would much prefer to ride out the season with what we got (actually I would prefer to trade Nurkic if possible). See where the Suns stand, and possibly make some moves this offseason whether it be a full-rebuild or something else.

This is the most sensible plan. See what this team does in the playoffs. Keep your assets

If they outperform in playoffs, stay course. If it’s a bust, blow it up

[Sunsdeuce]

Honestly done talking about any trade involving Beal. It ain’t happening.

Need to focus on trading Nurkic.

[sunsbum]

Which players which you rather pay 170M that are available?

It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future

Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.

Ishbia already said he’s resigning KD so butler will have no impact on how long we suck for. I can’t believe there are people not wanting a Beal for Jimmy swap.

[DirtyDez]

Ishbia is in so far over his head. He can’t see the writing on the wall that this experiment has failed and needs to be nuked. Jimmy ends up a malcontent everywhere he goes.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future

Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.

I am not sure the team will even be good. They will decline every year as Durant and Butler age and not able to draft players, no cap flexibility. It’s a slow painful regression

KD, Book, Butler at/near $60m a year would probably be ELITE - 3 years ago. Now their absolute ceiling might just pretty damn good but more likely it's less than that.

If it happens (which it's seemingly less likely now), I just hope that at least the show is good even if we don't go far

[TeamTragic]

Ishbia is in so far over his head. He can’t see the writing on the wall that this experiment has failed and needs to be nuked. Jimmy ends up a malcontent everywhere he goes.

I'm sure Ishbia is really concerned about your opinion and thinks about it every night.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Man, I wish there was a way to get Ball here as he'd be a perfect low-cost alternative for a PGOTF.

[bullsaficianado]

I don't know what you can do with Beal at this point. He will just stop any trade he don't like. Miami does not want him. I just don't see how Ishbia pulls this off.

[DirtyDez]

Ishbia is in so far over his head. He can’t see the writing on the wall that this experiment has failed and needs to be nuked. Jimmy ends up a malcontent everywhere he goes.

I'm sure Ishbia is really concerned about your opinion and thinks about it every night.

You were concerned enough to respond, Butler boy.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don't know what you can do with Beal at this point. He will just stop any trade he don't like. Miami does not want him. I just don't see how Ishbia pulls this off.

This is why I've railed against trading for him and giving up so much as we did in that trade because of his NTC, salary, injury history and the fact that there were no other teams bidding. That meant that we held all of the leverage and bid against ourselves to the effect of significantly overpaying for him.

Y err s he's a great talent and a star player. Consummate professional. But the trade itself was a big loss in terms of value exchange. Now as what you can do with him is and has always been more simple than people are making it out to be. You only have two choices:

1- Keep him and continue bringing him off your bench whilst exploring alternative options to try and build out more depth (maybe just maybe something like the trades I offered)???

2- You sit him down in a respectful and professional manner and let him know that you would prefer to move him and ask him honestly if there's destinations that he'd be willing to approve. IF YES, you utilize those options to build a framework that benefits the team's interests. I'd personally try and sell him on those Cali teams like Lakers, Warriors, maybe even Sacramento if Fox gets moved.

But you absolutely keep our 25' 1st and 2nd and draft a 3 & D versatile 4/5 and maybe a solid backup 5. Because this draft actually has a plethora of prospects that fit our immediate needs.

[Frank Lee]

It’s not about paying specific players - if this trade goes through - this team is done for 10 years. It’s a bad fit - an older team with no future

Saber, Tragic, doubledees. Etc get this comment through your head what BobbieL wrote. If you get Butler we will struggle for a decade is that what you fkin want? You just want a few good years of butler, KD, Booker to lose in first or second round, correct? How are people this stupid is beyond me.

Ishbia already said he’s resigning KD so butler will have no impact on how long we suck for. I can’t believe there are people not wanting a Beal for Jimmy swap.

Precisely
The course has been plotted in a ‘Damn the torpedos’ fashion. Wishbia will usher it through with pompous positivity

[TeamTragic]

I don't know what you can do with Beal at this point. He will just stop any trade he don't like. Miami does not want him. I just don't see how Ishbia pulls this off.

Honestly if you cannot move Beal/Nurkic then the time has come to blow it up.

Neither Booker nor KD deserve this trash heap. Maybe Allen has some value on the market.

[KLEON]

How about making Beal feel welcomed and stop treating him like a scrub because of his contract.

[lilfishi22]

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Man, I wish there was a way to get Ball here as he'd be a perfect low-cost alternative for a PGOTF.

Similar topic but if Ball could get Chicago a 2nd round pick as a $21m expiring, why couldn't Nurk get us that next season as a $19m expiring.

[lilfishi22]

I don't know what you can do with Beal at this point. He will just stop any trade he don't like. Miami does not want him. I just don't see how Ishbia pulls this off.

It's clear he's willing to waive his NTC to certain teams (and we know who those teams are) so it's a matter of orchestrating a trade that would get him there and for those teams to accept. Teams like Detroit or Chicago who have apparently put up their hand to take him in are just adding to the noise because he clearly doesn't want to go there but it's our front office's job to do our due diligence to at least talk to them.