2014 Official FA Thread 2

[bwgood77]

I prefer Bosh over him. And he would cost as much or cheaper than giving the max to Monroe.

Nah, he'd cost more because he's been around longer, and he's probably staying in Miami regardless.

He wants $15-$16M/yr contract which is about the same that it costs to give the max to Monroe or Bledsoe.

And yea you may be right about him staying in Miami though. We should still bring him in for a visit imo.

He will take that pay cut if the Miami team stays together. If he were to leave I'm betting he'd want as much as he could get.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I haven't been reading the forum for almost 10 days...trying to catch-up. I haven't seen anything from Ray Ray regarding free agents. This topic seems to be where his inside info would be much more applicable than trade talk. Some of these free agent calls had to have been decided weeks ago. Ephemeral trade scoopes are fun, but FA insight is REAL...or at is at least more stable. Maybe I missed his inside FA stuff. Anything?

-Are the Suns going to try and resign Frye. How much?
-Tucker? How much is too much $$?
-Bledsoe? Is Mini-Max ok by FO?
-What are the FAs or RFAs we will make offers to?

[csavage658]

I really think the Suns should try and go after Chandler Parsons the first day of free agency and sign him to a sheet that the Rockets won't match until they know they can't get Lebron or Melo

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really think the Suns should try and go after Chandler Parsons the first day of free agency and sign him to a sheet that the Rockets won't match until they know they can't get Lebron or Melo

even if you agree to a deal with parsons on July 1 no one can sign until July 8th. By then the big names will have decided and Houston will know where it stands.

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[Frank Lee]

Yup .... These days the big shot players make their decisions, then let the GMs figure it out.

[drewsprocket]

You're right Gaspar, we're not getting Pau. He's not going to spend his remaining years with us unless we offer something ridiculous. I think we would mostly agree that an impact PF could help us develop into a contending team. I think a number of PFs would be great on our team. Essentially it comes down to potential or being able to play the pick and roll or pick and pop, rebound, and protect the rim. Any significant skill in any ONE of these areas is worth going after. I wish there were someway the suns could go after one of these guys.

Aldridge
Davis
Ibaka
Blake
Love
Gibson
Tristan Thompson
Ryan Anderson
Ilyasova
Bosh (still has got it for another couple years)

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Too Old/Not athletic enough
Monroe
ZBO
Nowitzki
Nene
KG
Gasol
David West
Overrated stat PFs: Can't defend, inflated rebound numbers, Limited length wise and on D
Faried
David Lee

From the good list, Only Illysova is realistically obtainable. Like the Sanders idea too.

I wouldn't read into to much of the production / behavior issues for either of these guys. Talk about a positive fresh start and a much needed change of scenery. Milw has been a pretty lousy place to be for more than just a couple yrs.

Ersan would solve the Frye departure. I'd prefer him over Anderson too. When illy was beasting. He had more double digit rebounding games in a season than Frye has had in his career. ( May be :-p )

Little doubt we certainly need to add some beef. Wonder if any of us blind hogs has mentioned the acorn

I'd go with that. The question is how bad the bucks want to offload his contract. I'm sure he's on the market..the thing is that the Bucks can't have our Kieff. I'd renounce Frye's rights and send Marcus Morris and late 1st rounder for him.

[BobbieL]

With Haslem, Wade and Bosh opting out - James already - it is a given that those four will be back in Miami - probably that allows them to get a guy like Lowery into the mix. Cole will probably be traded - with a first rounder to get them more under the cap - as $55m is not enough

As for the Suns - Carmelo is probably not an option or James (not that he ever was) and Bosh - so just do the Gasol thing- maybe a couple years. Nothing crazy. I would prefer Deng to Hayward - but Deng might be easier

[Qwigglez]

Having slept on it, I think our best options are either to retain Frye and thereby stay with the same 4/5 situation this year as last year, or go after Greg Monroe. He's a better option than Pau, Bosh, or Kieff, IMO. If we did take Monroe, JDLAW made it clear to me that we would need to be careful to keep enough shooters on our roster to space the floor. So far, it looks like I'm in a minority of one on this issue, but Kevin Love and Al Horford ain't walking through those door.

How come everyone's so down with Pau but not Monroe? What does he provide that Greg doesn't? I don't get it.

My reasoning as to why I'd rather have Pau than Monroe.
Pau has a proven track record of being a consistent threat in the paint, offensively this guy can score pretty much at will. He has a high basketball IQ, and he's a proven winner. Him complaining to me, is just telling the media he dislikes losing and wants his team to be better. His mid-range shot is consistent enough to open up the floor for our guards to drive to the paint. He doesn't have to be a phenomenal defender to play defense, his length alone bothers players, he's a giant tower in the paint. Pau doesn't rely on his athleticism to play the game of basketball, which is why he can still have a career at 33 or however old he is, and with our medical staff, he should be good to go for the next three to four years before Alex Len takes over as the beast in the middle. His veteran leadership should help as well, not to mention the impact he can have on Len/Plumlee's development.

Greg Monroe could just be playing for a contract. He isn't an enforcer on defense, and he doesn't even command respect defensively. Our front court defensively would get thrown around in the playoffs. He would fit our system, but what happens when our shots aren't falling? He doesn't have the versatility to score at will, and his offense is very limited.

I think a lot of us on the board are thinking too long term, and just see Greg Monroe as a younger player, but I don't see him having a long career after this upcoming contract expires. His game doesn't translate well to when he gets older IMO. I think 3-4 years of Pau would be far better than 3-4 years of Greg Monroe.

[DirtyDez]

Free agency primer: how much we can spend/how much cap space we'll have factoring cap holds, etc:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... er-the-cap

Sarver told Gambo he wants to go over the cap this summer, which means using Bird Rights to re-sign Tucker/Bledsoe after signing some big free agents first.

I'm starting to get really afraid of what we're going to spend on this summer. After the big ticket guys like Bron and Melo are gone the rest of the free agent crop is pretty underwhelming. Even that next tier of guys like gasol and deng are older players who they will probably have to overpay to get and that's a scary proposition. I hope we don't see a repeat of the Warrick and Childress summer. Sometimes the best moves are ones you have the restraint not to make.

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Haha true!

Cheap Sarver > Greedy Sarver

Unless The King is willing to come aboard there is no point in hitting our cap ceiling with guys like Luol Deng. Even with a big extension for Bledsoe and Dragic the Suns can still sign a max guys next summer.

Bledsoe/Ennis-Goodwin
Dragic/Green
PJ/Warren
Kieff/Mook
Plumlee/Len

Nothing wrong with this lineup next year...

[Cutter]

I really think the Suns should try and go after Chandler Parsons the first day of free agency and sign him to a sheet that the Rockets won't match until they know they can't get Lebron or Melo

TJ Warren is our new stud SF. We have no need for Parsons, Deng, Batum, Granger or any other SF.

Tucker starts the year as the starting SF, Warren finishes the year as starting SF.

[bwgood77]

Saw in the other thread, but I had forgotten GS has a TPE of $9.8 million they have to use before July 10th, so if they don't trade for Love, they could offer Frye quite a bit more than the mid level if they want, and I don't think they care about the tax a great deal if they think they have a window.

I'm guessing Kerr would rather keep Thompson and add Frye if at all possible and he is probably trying to convince whoever is FOR trading Thompson to first try and get Frye before pulling the trigger on the trade.

As I mentioned before, if this happened, I think Hawes might be a nice guy to add to have that stretch 4/5 and Kieff could even start, but he'd be a nice guy to have around for when we wanted to that stretch 4/5 in the game and likely wouldn't cost big money at all. It would give us a little better depth in case of an injury and insurance for when we realize how much we miss Frye's ability to pull the big defenders out of the lane. His numbers were actually better than Frye's across the board last year across the board in similar minutes.

[rsavaj]

I really think the Suns should try and go after Chandler Parsons the first day of free agency and sign him to a sheet that the Rockets won't match until they know they can't get Lebron or Melo

TJ Warren is our new stud SF. We have no need for Parsons, Deng, Batum, Granger or any other SF.

Tucker starts the year as the starting SF, Warren finishes the year as starting SF.

You underestimate how long it takes for young players to adapt to the speed of the NBA and the intricacies of defense in the pros. I don't expect Warren to get too many minutes this year, let alone start.

[bwgood77]

I really think the Suns should try and go after Chandler Parsons the first day of free agency and sign him to a sheet that the Rockets won't match until they know they can't get Lebron or Melo

TJ Warren is our new stud SF. We have no need for Parsons, Deng, Batum, Granger or any other SF.

Tucker starts the year as the starting SF, Warren finishes the year as starting SF.

You underestimate how long it takes for young players to adapt to the speed of the NBA and the intricacies of defense in the pros. I don't expect Warren to get too many minutes this year, let alone start.

I agree, although I do think both picks this year are closer to contributing quickly than the picks we made last year. Only because Warren went from rarely used as a freshman to carrying the team in the ACC and winning ACC player of the year over Jabari Parker. I think he is almost ready offensively and will be a nice contributer off the bench. But yes, the defense will take time so starting this year is a big stretch.

And Ennis was able to run a team in the ACC as a freshman and adapted so quickly and was one of the best players in all of college basketball as well. Goodwin struggled as a freshman at Kentucky.

I'm not saying Ennis is more ready than Goodwin NOW, just that I think these rookies won't take as long as last year's because they seem to adapt and learn quickly.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Suns really should try and get the Morris brothers extended right away this summer. I have a feeling contracts are going to be crazy around the league next week because of the unbalance of teams with space and not enough good players to pay. This will drive up Morris brothers asking price. Plus if you wait until next year and the tv money jumps up the cap even more the price also goes up.

Markeef at around 8 or 9 per and Marcus around 4?

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[nevetsov]

All has been quiet on the Kevin Love trade front, although the T-Wolves did say they wanted to have a deal by the draft.

Sarver is already conceding that he is going over the cap this season.

We have more bodies than available minutes right now.

Something in place?


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[Blackification]

Read the comments by Sarver on Bright Side.

Then I watched the nba draft review for the Suns and David Aldridge said he was confident the suns would land a big time free agent.

My hype levels are starting to go up for this free agency.

I hope we can keep our rookies though

[BobbieL]

Having slept on it, I think our best options are either to retain Frye and thereby stay with the same 4/5 situation this year as last year, or go after Greg Monroe. He's a better option than Pau, Bosh, or Kieff, IMO. If we did take Monroe, JDLAW made it clear to me that we would need to be careful to keep enough shooters on our roster to space the floor. So far, it looks like I'm in a minority of one on this issue, but Kevin Love and Al Horford ain't walking through those door.

How come everyone's so down with Pau but not Monroe? What does he provide that Greg doesn't? I don't get it.

My reasoning as to why I'd rather have Pau than Monroe.
Pau has a proven track record of being a consistent threat in the paint, offensively this guy can score pretty much at will. He has a high basketball IQ, and he's a proven winner. Him complaining to me, is just telling the media he dislikes losing and wants his team to be better. His mid-range shot is consistent enough to open up the floor for our guards to drive to the paint. He doesn't have to be a phenomenal defender to play defense, his length alone bothers players, he's a giant tower in the paint. Pau doesn't rely on his athleticism to play the game of basketball, which is why he can still have a career at 33 or however old he is, and with our medical staff, he should be good to go for the next three to four years before Alex Len takes over as the beast in the middle. His veteran leadership should help as well, not to mention the impact he can have on Len/Plumlee's development.

Greg Monroe could just be playing for a contract. He isn't an enforcer on defense, and he doesn't even command respect defensively. Our front court defensively would get thrown around in the playoffs. He would fit our system, but what happens when our shots aren't falling? He doesn't have the versatility to score at will, and his offense is very limited.

I think a lot of us on the board are thinking too long term, and just see Greg Monroe as a younger player, but I don't see him having a long career after this upcoming contract expires. His game doesn't translate well to when he gets older IMO. I think 3-4 years of Pau would be far better than 3-4 years of Greg Monroe.

There is a bit to like about Gasol. The main thing - he is smart and has skills that would be helpful on this Suns team - low post ability to score, able to pass the ball. Would be a solid 4 with Plumlee starting at the 5 and Len off the bench. Also a great mentor to Len.

[nevetsov]

Another theory could be the meeting that Toronto wanted with Bosh might not have been about playing for the Raptors, but for PHX.

"We can't offer you max dollars Bosh, but we really want Ennis if we are sending out Lowry, and PHX can pay you big time."

Three way in the works?

Core parts (filler added to balance value):

Lowry to MIA
Ennis to TOR
Bosh to PHX


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[Revived]

Suns really should try and get the Morris brothers extended right away this summer. I have a feeling contracts are going to be crazy around the league next week because of the unbalance of teams with space and not enough good players to pay. This will drive up Morris brothers asking price. Plus if you wait until next year and the tv money jumps up the cap even more the price also goes up.

Markeef at around 8 or 9 per and Marcus around 4?

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Based on what he's shown us so far, why would us or anyone give Marcus more than $2M/yr contract?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Suns really should try and get the Morris brothers extended right away this summer. I have a feeling contracts are going to be crazy around the league next week because of the unbalance of teams with space and not enough good players to pay. This will drive up Morris brothers asking price. Plus if you wait until next year and the tv money jumps up the cap even more the price also goes up.

Markeef at around 8 or 9 per and Marcus around 4?

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Based on what he's shown us so far, why would us or anyone give Marcus more than $2M/yr contract?

you're right maybe 4 is a little high but I do think he's proven to be a rotation bench guy in this league and those guys get 3-4 mil a yr.

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