The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[JJ13]

any chance McD is f*cking with Bledsoe's agent with this whole Thomas thing?

[AZWildByNature]

If LBJ told McD to sign both Wade and him to a max contract, would McD do it?

[BobbieL]

If LBJ told McD to sign both Wade and him to a max contract, would McD do it?

I don't think LeBron is asking that question - but I doubt it

I think LeBron may say Allen or Miller and Bosh - but not Wade

[0013]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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Thats one way to look at it.... but being the Dragon Fan that I am, here is my take....

Bledsoe is holding out for a max deal, or as much as he can get. No harm there, though it does send a message that he has no real ties to Phnx. If he signs an offer sheet for an amount that is beyond his worth... (I estimate his Market Value to be equal to KLowrey/Tor) McDo will then consider all trade options. If one is suitable, Bledsoe will be dealt. This trade is a great opportunity to receive a quality player(s) (better than what is available w the dwindling list of FAs who will play here) and possibly draft picks. McDo is all about asset accumulation. Very similar to his mentor... Ainge.

By trading Bledsoe, McDo officially makes this Goran Dragic's team. It is a solid commitment to a solid player who wanted to be a Sun (again). I don't know the particulars with the Capology, but if possible, you tear up Dragic's current deal and bump him up into the 12-13 range ASAP. Lock him up.

I believe Bledsoe may be more marketable than Goran at this point, or at least more available. Sure, there is interest in GD, but he will need to be re-signed very soon, where as, Bledsoe will have a structured price tag/duration already agreed upon.

The only drawback in all this is the actual interest in Bled.... I mean if LA or Miami comes calling, there is essentially nothing on their rosters that comes close to being equitable to Bled.... and that seems real likely. In that case, if no other deals are out there, our hand may be forced.

Something else to consider in the "keep Goran or Bledsoe" debate: Bledsoe's knees. Someone on Brightside mentioned a while back that according to the Suns training staff Bledsoe's knees will hold up for about 9 years and have a 50% chance of injury during that period. Yes Goran is 4 years older than Bledsoe but I firmly believe he can be a productive player for the next 9 years. I really don't like those 50/50 knee injury odds either.

IMO McD should keep Goran as our marquee player ala Nash in the 2000s and flip Bledsoe before the time-bomb in his knees goes off.

[bigfoot]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

That's not how I read it. Instead it the Suns have offered Tucker and Bledsoe the money and they are willing to wait to sign until the Suns have acquired other free agents. It allows them to sign a Gasol, Deng, Melo, Lebron, trade for Love, etc and exceed the salary cap.

[Puff]

If LBJ told McD to sign both Wade and him to a max contract, would McD do it?

I have thought about that as well. It appears that Lebron is far closer to Wade than he is Bosh. They reportedly were on the same plane flying from Vegas back to Miami last night. If our training staff can work on Wade who knows. Sarver & McD have stated that they would sign the additional free agent of Lebron's choosing.

Lebron
Wade
Bledsoe

Could be pretty amazing

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Welp, who's ready for another 38-48 win middle of the road team that barely misses the playoffs!

[ShawnBronald]

If LBJ told McD to sign both Wade and him to a max contract, would McD do it?

I have thought about that as well. It appears that Lebron is far closer to Wade than he is Bosh. They reportedly were on the same plane flying from Vegas back to Miami last night. If our training staff can work on Wade who knows. Sarver & McD have stated that they would sign the additional free agent of Lebron's choosing.

Lebron
Wade
Bledsoe

Could be pretty amazing

Yeah, but LeBron (or his agent) has already informed us that we're out.

[King4Day]

I wonder if we do sign Thomas, do we then go through with the Green/pick (or whatever it was) for Ryan Anderson trade. It would actually make sense at that point. However I'd much rather keep Green.

What're peoples thoughts about this idea?

[ShawnBronald]

Welp, who's ready for another 38-48 win middle of the road team that barely misses the playoffs!

Please keep this in mind before thinking the sky is falling....

[King4Day]

If LBJ told McD to sign both Wade and him to a max contract, would McD do it?

I have thought about that as well. It appears that Lebron is far closer to Wade than he is Bosh. They reportedly were on the same plane flying from Vegas back to Miami last night. If our training staff can work on Wade who knows. Sarver & McD have stated that they would sign the additional free agent of Lebron's choosing.

Lebron
Wade
Bledsoe

Could be pretty amazing

Yeah, but LeBron (or his agent) has already informed us that we're out.

I was just about to ask if I missed anything. I thought we were out since last week.

[King4Day]

Can a mod unstick the locked offseason thread?

[JMac1]

Welp, who's ready for another 38-48 win middle of the road team that barely misses the playoffs!

As long as the young guys are playing and getting better and we are exciting....ME!

[Revived]

In an ideal world, the former Washington Husky would be a Sixth Man of the Year candidate for the next decade, a coveted and dependable role player valued by every team in the league. But Thomas sees himself through another prism. He envisions himself as a lead guard deserving a starter’s salary, and ultimately, this is why the Kings and their most popular player will part ways.

The Kings were willing to offer $5 million to $6 million per year for four seasons – with the idea of Thomas as a super sub. But they were unwilling to match the $8 million to $9 million he reportedly was seeking and confident he would attract, given the four-year, $32 million contract Avery Bradley agreed to with the Boston Celtics and the three-year, $19.5 million deal Jodie Meeks reached with the Detroit Pistons.

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/05/6536005/ailene-voisin-collison-more-pass.html#storylink=cpy

If the a Suns so badly want a 4th PG then I'd rather have them gone after Patty Mills for $4M/yr than give Thomas more than $6M/yr.

[csavage658]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwiin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Don't look right, do it?[/quote]

Say we get Thomas at 6 Mil and Bledsoe at 12, that still leaves us with almost 12 or 13 mil in cap room without rookie deals, seems like a lot to leave on the table even if it's for 1 year deals

[ShawnBronald]

I have thought about that as well. It appears that Lebron is far closer to Wade than he is Bosh. They reportedly were on the same plane flying from Vegas back to Miami last night. If our training staff can work on Wade who knows. Sarver & McD have stated that they would sign the additional free agent of Lebron's choosing.

Lebron
Wade
Bledsoe

Could be pretty amazing

Yeah, but LeBron (or his agent) has already informed us that we're out.

I was just about to ask if I missed anything. I thought we were out since last week.

Unless everyone is somehow hoping LeBron has a sudden and crazy change of heart and calls up his agent asking if Phoenix is still an option. Obviously, it would appear we technically could be since we haven't made any rash decisions that would hurt us, but it's quite apparent we're out and were never a true option. I think people will only accept that once LeBron announces his decision (which could still be a while) or we make some signings that prevent us from offering a max contract.

[csavage658]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwiin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Don't look right, do it?

Say we get Thomas at 6 Mil and Bledsoe at 12, that still leaves us with almost 12 or 13 mil in cap room without rookie deals, seems like a lot to leave on the table even if it's for 1 year deals

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

In an ideal world, the former Washington Husky would be a Sixth Man of the Year candidate for the next decade, a coveted and dependable role player valued by every team in the league. But Thomas sees himself through another prism. He envisions himself as a lead guard deserving a starter’s salary, and ultimately, this is why the Kings and their most popular player will part ways.

The Kings were willing to offer $5 million to $6 million per year for four seasons – with the idea of Thomas as a super sub. But they were unwilling to match the $8 million to $9 million he reportedly was seeking and confident he would attract, given the four-year, $32 million contract Avery Bradley agreed to with the Boston Celtics and the three-year, $19.5 million deal Jodie Meeks reached with the Detroit Pistons.

Really does beg the question why we're flirting with him. Not that interested in a ball-dominant defensive liability as our lead guard.

[csavage658]

Other than Paul Coro who are good Phoenix/Arizona based Twitter follows? I'm tired of not getting Suns rumblings and news from the rest of the world

[bwgood77]

Your acting as if there is a rule that says "WE MUST HAVE TWO POINT GUARDS IN THE LINEUP".

Bledsoe-Dragic worked because Bledsoe is great defensively and Dragic is great offensively.

Dragic-Thomas WON'T WORK because they may both be great offensively but they both suck defensively.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Even if you don't want Bledsoe back at the max (I don't either so I'm with you on this one) then let's get a 3 & D SG not a short PG who can't play D.

I didn't say we needed him to start. I said he'd be a great guy off the bench. I'd love to have a sharpshooting 2 with size who could hit defend. I might start Green and have Thomas off the bench if we had to lose Bledsoe. I don't think we need to lose Bledsoe though. McD might think it's wise not to pay him the max if it comes to that. Not sure what he is thinking. I'm saying signing him might be good to strengthen the bench for now.