The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[King4Day]

hey I'm new but I have been reading this forum for about a year or 2 now and thought I should start posting. I love reading what all of you have to say. As far as this Bledsoe situation goes, I have to hope that we stick with our
offer or sign-and-trade him. I just don't want to get stuck with him having the MAX, unless there is a team option or something after year 3 if that is possible. Whatever decision the front office makes, whether it is a sign-and-trade or whatever I will respect and continue to watch the Suns. I can't wait to start posting here and keep reading all of your posts.

All these new fans start showing up the moment we sign Tolliver

I kid. Welcome aboard!

If this was Blanks' team still, I believe he would have given in. I actually am calm about all of this because I don't believe McDonough will make a mistake here.

[aIvin adams]

If this is only about how much money the Suns will offer in a contract, then what is Bledsoe's next move? It seems he only has two: threaten to sign for QO, and talk to other teams about making a trade for him. The Suns must also think that the QO seems like a terrible idea, and of course Bledsoe would hate it. That would seem to leave discussing a S&T with other teams as the only option.

If you can't see that as a real possibility, I don't know what to tell you. Personally, I'd like to get a 5 year deal done, with the 5th year a team option. I've said $13 mil/per is reasonable in my eyes. I just don't think there's an inevitable and obvious outcome here.

i imagine his agent is trying to get another team to offer more than the suns offer.

and the suns are saying, 'OK we will wait there's no hurry it's not like we want to sign Greg frekain' Monroe to a max.'

[aIvin adams]

and if bledsoe's agent does get an offer that it better than the suns' offer, then i expect the suns have their next move planned. if its $XXM per yer, they either up their offer or match (if he signs). if it's more than XXM per year, then they explore sign and trades.

it's possible that another team, like the Bucks, is considering making an offer and their FO is talking to our FO and trying to get a feel on whether a S+T would be necessary.

and if i were Ryan, I'd say, 'we plan on keeping him. thanks' and hang up.

if Ryan would do that too, then this thing would be going on still, like it is..

[bwoolf2]

I really believe sometime in the next three weeks the Suns will get a deal done with Bledsoe, it wont be exactly what he wants or what the Suns want to pay which means it will likely be a good deal for both. At this point I really dont see a big rush by either side to get this done there is no reason to hurry for either party now.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

I don't see how Bledsoe asking for a max contract means he wants out of Phoenix. Perhaps I'm naive and blinded by my fanhood but I really don't. And don't forget that the only one to report that is Chris "Multiple Sources" Broussard.

This. He doesn't want out of Phoenix. He just wants to get paid. Who wouldn't. I doubt Bledsoe believes he's worth the max. But if his agent pushes and pushes and tries to scare the Suns or start rumors some team is interested, it gets Phoenix on their heels.

Ultimately, I think they'll find a middle ground and do $52/4 or $56/4. Maybe $70/5.

But this makes no sense to me. What rumor would "scare" the Suns? A team can't swoop in while the Suns are asleep and grab him away. Any offer can be matched. The Suns have offered a contract of $48M and as many on this thread have said, they have no incentive to bid against themselves. Bledsoe can either find a team to give him an offer sheet, agree to the $48 million or sign the QO. None of those options should scare the Suns because they are in control regardless.

The fact that someone in a negotiation with ZERO leverage is trying to make a demand so outrageously far from the offer is what's leading many to believe this is simply a roundabout way of making it clear he wants to be moved somewhere. I know a lot people think Rich Paul is dumb but I don't see how he can be that dumb. Because if you come to a negotiating table with zero leverage and huge demands, you are either really dumb or you are trying to halt negotiations altogether.

If a team offered Bledsoe the max, as the Suns GM, I'd be hesitant to match. I would. I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't want to pay a PG whose played 43 games as a starter $16 million a season coming off a knee injury. That would scare me. Luckily no team has done that. And if that stays the case, we'll get Bledsoe for the value he is worth.

[aIvin adams]

yah i'm not sure Ryan wants to match a max, but i would if i were running the Suns. i would match anything anyone gave him.

but i'd also prefer he signed a 4/48 rather than a 5/60.

so that'd be what i offered him.

[spanishninja]

This. He doesn't want out of Phoenix. He just wants to get paid. Who wouldn't. I doubt Bledsoe believes he's worth the max. But if his agent pushes and pushes and tries to scare the Suns or start rumors some team is interested, it gets Phoenix on their heels.

Ultimately, I think they'll find a middle ground and do $52/4 or $56/4. Maybe $70/5.

But this makes no sense to me. What rumor would "scare" the Suns? A team can't swoop in while the Suns are asleep and grab him away. Any offer can be matched. The Suns have offered a contract of $48M and as many on this thread have said, they have no incentive to bid against themselves. Bledsoe can either find a team to give him an offer sheet, agree to the $48 million or sign the QO. None of those options should scare the Suns because they are in control regardless.

The fact that someone in a negotiation with ZERO leverage is trying to make a demand so outrageously far from the offer is what's leading many to believe this is simply a roundabout way of making it clear he wants to be moved somewhere. I know a lot people think Rich Paul is dumb but I don't see how he can be that dumb. Because if you come to a negotiating table with zero leverage and huge demands, you are either really dumb or you are trying to halt negotiations altogether.

If a team offered Bledsoe the max, as the Suns GM, I'd be hesitant to match. I would. I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't want to pay a PG whose played 43 games as a starter $16 million a season coming off a knee injury. That would scare me. Luckily no team has done that. And if that stays the case, we'll get Bledsoe for the value he is worth.

im sure the FO has planned for all possible scenarios, including one where someone offers max. they will know what to do and will not hesitate to do so.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

As has been stated, another team offering max through some means other than S&T is essentially foreclosed. Only Philly can do it. If Bled wants anything close to max, he needs a S&T.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I'd like to see something such as this happen for the Suns and Bledsoe...

-5 years/12.5 million per
-2.5 million in incentives
-player option after 3rd year
-team option after 4th year

Yearly incentives-
+750k with 65 games played
+750k with 1 Suns playoff series win
+1m if he makes 1st, 2nd or 3rd team all NBA

If Eric truly believes he's worth the max these are attainable bonuses, plus he would be able to opt out and take advantage of the much higher cap in just 3 years. Suns get some "motivation/injury protection" and can terminate the 5th year if things go south.

If a contract with the Suns can't be worked out, I'm hoping (though very doubtful) Bledsoe+ could turn into Horford. Signed or signed and traded, I'll bet we'll be into September before anything happens.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really believe sometime in the next three weeks the Suns will get a deal done with Bledsoe, it wont be exactly what he wants or what the Suns want to pay which means it will likely be a good deal for both. At this point I really dont see a big rush by either side to get this done there is no reason to hurry for either party now.

yup this is definitely the most likely outcome. It's a negotiation and at this point neither side has much incentive to cave. I do executive search recruiting so deal with negotiations a lot and deadlines drive decisions; people will take as much time as they are given to fight for the money they want but ultimately both side eventually compromise and get the deal done.

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[LukasBMW]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

[ShawnBronald]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

[Saberestar]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

I don't think a team will offer Bledsoe Max. That's my opinion. I can see 4 / 44 from another team or 4/46

[NoKneeBledsoe]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

I'd take Hornacek to suit up over brown

[Kerrsed]

I don't think a team will offer Bledsoe Max. That's my opinion. I can see 4 / 44 from another team or 4/46

Well no s**t! There is only 1 team (besides us) that can offer him a max contact, and that is Philly.

[Qwigglez]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

At first I was thinking no. But after 2nd thought it would make sense only if we try and get Michael Beasley back as well. I'm not sure if he already signed with the Heat but if he did we could swap some kind of deal.
Beasley would be able to spread the floor like Frye did except he can drive and dunk.

[Jdiddy701]

Shannon Brown.......

Wow I have never laughed more in my life.

[lilfishi22]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Shannon Brown if Bledsoe leaves?

Shannon's unselfish play and super consistent outside shot would probably fit well with this team.

I think we should offer Shannon Brown $12 million over 2 years with the 2nd year being a team option.

Exactly the guy who I had in mind when I thought team play and and a knock down jumper.

[lilfishi22]

I don't think a team will offer Bledsoe Max. That's my opinion. I can see 4 / 44 from another team or 4/46

Well from what's been reported no team has even made *an* offer, so....