Trade Discussion

[BobbieL]

From what I recall, one of the insiders had correctly foresaw a couple trades (including the Shaq one) down to the players, before it happened.
I believe that's why there's a lot of faith in them.

If people wanna believe that these guys have been coming into this forum for nearly a decade just to troll us, that's on them.
I think it's great to get excited about things that may or may not happen. I'd rather not know if they were fake at this point.

I don't think I had signed up when the Shaq trade was mentioned, but I was lurking. I was thinking that was dirtybird or something. Insiders likely change to some extent under different regimes though. Sure, people have connections, but nothing serious is going to be leaked unless someone doesn't care about their job.

I think if what might deter insiders the most is that people talk about us having insiders so much here that if anyone from the FO were to look at the forums and see that chatter, they might think "oh, is there someone leaking something? Lets watch for this guy."

My thing is - why come down on them and bust their b**ls if wrong.

Brian Windhorst - that guy has a job on ESPN for one reason, he is sycophant to LeBron. I bet 50 guys on this board know more common sense about the NBA and basketball than that guy. Like Adam Shefter - he is a good insider if he has a source. But anybody hear that guy talk football, strategy, etc - he is an not as good on strategy. Stick to Insider, not strategy Adam

Broussard is like a broken clock - only right twice a year - not twice a day

Vesey, Stephen A - not good

So, the supposed INsiders are not good - why jump on Ray Ray, Traxxed, DB - any of these guys

[bwgood77]

From what I recall, one of the insiders had correctly foresaw a couple trades (including the Shaq one) down to the players, before it happened.
I believe that's why there's a lot of faith in them.

If people wanna believe that these guys have been coming into this forum for nearly a decade just to troll us, that's on them.
I think it's great to get excited about things that may or may not happen. I'd rather not know if they were fake at this point.

I don't think I had signed up when the Shaq trade was mentioned, but I was lurking. I was thinking that was dirtybird or something. Insiders likely change to some extent under different regimes though. Sure, people have connections, but nothing serious is going to be leaked unless someone doesn't care about their job.

I think if what might deter insiders the most is that people talk about us having insiders so much here that if anyone from the FO were to look at the forums and see that chatter, they might think "oh, is there someone leaking something? Lets watch for this guy."

My thing is - why come down on them and bust their b**ls if wrong.

Brian Windhorst - that guy has a job on ESPN for one reason, he is sycophant to LeBron. I bet 50 guys on this board know more common sense about the NBA and basketball than that guy. Like Adam Shefter - he is a good insider if he has a source. But anybody hear that guy talk football, strategy, etc - he is an idiot

Broussard is like a broken clock - only right twice a year - not twice a day

Vesey, Stephen A - not good

So, the supposed INsiders are not good - why jump on Ray Ray, Traxxed, DB - any of these guys

Those guys you mention are not insiders. They are reporters, and they report what teams tell them to report, or make stuff you to get people to read their stories and create controversy.

The guys to pay attention to are the guys who don't really claim to know anything for sure, but talk about how there is some chatter.....like Zach Lowe or Bill Simmons hear from people connected to coaches or players what the chatter is and occasionally if you listen to their pods or pay real close attention to them you see it. To break major news, follow Woj.

[BobbieL]

I don't think I had signed up when the Shaq trade was mentioned, but I was lurking. I was thinking that was dirtybird or something. Insiders likely change to some extent under different regimes though. Sure, people have connections, but nothing serious is going to be leaked unless someone doesn't care about their job.

I think if what might deter insiders the most is that people talk about us having insiders so much here that if anyone from the FO were to look at the forums and see that chatter, they might think "oh, is there someone leaking something? Lets watch for this guy."

My thing is - why come down on them and bust their b**ls if wrong.

Brian Windhorst - that guy has a job on ESPN for one reason, he is sycophant to LeBron. I bet 50 guys on this board know more common sense about the NBA and basketball than that guy. Like Adam Shefter - he is a good insider if he has a source. But anybody hear that guy talk football, strategy, etc - he is an idiot

Broussard is like a broken clock - only right twice a year - not twice a day

Vesey, Stephen A - not good

So, the supposed INsiders are not good - why jump on Ray Ray, Traxxed, DB - any of these guys

Those guys you mention are not insiders. They are reporters, and they report what teams tell them to report, or make stuff you to get people to read their stories and create controversy.

The guys to pay attention to are the guys who don't really claim to know anything for sure, but talk about how there is some chatter.....like Zach Lowe or Bill Simmons hear from people connected to coaches or players what the chatter is and occasionally if you listen to their pods or pay real close attention to them you see it. To break major news, follow Woj.

Woj is great
the best in any of NFL, NBA or MLB
he is right more than anybody

[jcsunsfan]

Even teams involved in trades do not know if the trades are going to go through until they actually have an agreement. Announcements are made soon afterward. So true insiders would give information on discussions, many of which do not end up happening. To accuse an "insider" of being a fake because what he is reporting does not happen is silly.

I like having something to talk about.

[bwgood77]

Our insiders dont have to give info to us. They do it because they want to, out of a willing spirit.

Rayray is legit. Hes called many moves before.

Insiders, whoever you may be, yall are appreciated here by the majority of us on this board. Please dont let a few Negative Nancy's discourage you from posting here

Well you may get your wish...he's been around lately... memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=56494

[Qwigglez]

Saw somewhere this morning that Ben McLemore might be available. You guys think we'd have any interest? I know we have a lot of guards already, and I don't know exactly what the Kings would want, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in. If one of Knight/Bledsoe leaves we'd have a little more room for another young guy with potential.

Nah. We've got Booker who is already shaping up to be better than McLemore.

Man McLemore has all the talent and athleticism, the problem with him is all mental. I think that's why he slipped so far in the draft right?

[ray ray]

While you're waiting for more Ray Ray stuff, here's a Ray Ray scoop from many years ago if you need a fix...

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=767612

Been coming to this board off and on since forever, not once that i can remeber either of these "insiders" been right....or even in the ballbark when coincidently all they prophesied is the ballpark.

Here's what I love...."I'm not allowed to give out specific info." What are you on a court order? The secret service or FBI tracking you? It's a freaking sport. Who cares. If you got some "good info," cool let us know, if you don't have good info don't bring it up.

1) a post from 8 years ago is what your bringing up? It's okay, I've never claimed to be 100% accurate on things and that was early in my career. I'm okay with being wrong at times.

2) I'm not jeopardizing my friendships with very close friends of mine in the know to make you guys happy. I'll bring some information but I cannot talk about everything in here for many reason you guys will never know.

3) I'm the one who broke the Turk trade days in advance before it happened. Many of you mocked when I posted that. Well, it happened.

4) I'm the one who said that the Suns will start the youth movement before anyone reported it. Now you have many other saying the same thing I said a couple of days ago.

Overall, I'm not here to seek anyone's approval. I'm here to bring light to the Suns situation. I will not discuss who told me, what deal will be but I will tell you this.. Kieff is wanted by many teams as well of Tucker. Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

You can believe me or not, that's on you.

[letsgosuns]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 12m12 minutes ago
One contender who is not interested in Phoenix's Markieff Morris: The Toronto Raptors.

[AZWildByNature]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/699633212562108416[/tweet]

Asking price is probably to rich for Raptors.

[BobbieL]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 12m12 minutes ago
One contender who is not interested in Phoenix's Markieff Morris: The Toronto Raptors.

just saw this too

really surprised as Kieff is definetly better than Pat Patt and Scola


Kieff for Pat Patt, Wright and a pick seems a small price to pay

[Qwigglez]

Overall, I'm not here to seek anyone's approval. I'm here to bring light to the Suns situation. I will not discuss who told me, what deal will be but I will tell you this.. Kieff is wanted by many teams as well of Tucker. Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

You can believe me or not, that's on you.

Tell that to the general board.
Everyone feels like Kieff is some cancerous player that will make any locker room toxic. I strongly disagree and feel like his only beef is with the upper-management. He will be a steal for any team if we don't get a 1st and a young player in return. He'll average 18/8 and ESPN analyst will mock the Suns and wonder why they sold so low on him.

[BobbieL]

Been coming to this board off and on since forever, not once that i can remeber either of these "insiders" been right....or even in the ballbark when coincidently all they prophesied is the ballpark.

Here's what I love...."I'm not allowed to give out specific info." What are you on a court order? The secret service or FBI tracking you? It's a freaking sport. Who cares. If you got some "good info," cool let us know, if you don't have good info don't bring it up.

1) a post from 8 years ago is what your bringing up? It's okay, I've never claimed to be 100% accurate on things and that was early in my career. I'm okay with being wrong at times.

2) I'm not jeopardizing my friendships with very close friends of mine in the know to make you guys happy. I'll bring some information but I cannot talk about everything in here for many reason you guys will never know.

3) I'm the one who broke the Turk trade days in advance before it happened. Many of you mocked when I posted that. Well, it happened.

4) I'm the one who said that the Suns will start the youth movement before anyone reported it. Now you have many other saying the same thing I said a couple of days ago.

Overall, I'm not here to seek anyone's approval. I'm here to bring light to the Suns situation. I will not discuss who told me, what deal will be but I will tell you this.. Kieff is wanted by many teams as well of Tucker. Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

You can believe me or not, that's on you.

I have thought that with a Cavs trade - Shumpert would have to be moved to clear salary space.

Shumpert for Teletovic and Tucker would probably save Cleveland money against the luxury tax long term - not this year but long term

[Qwigglez]

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Asking price is probably to rich for Raptors.

We just aren't good trade partners. The Raptors PF's are all trash, glorified role players. I don't want any part of them. They don't have any young players that scream potential either. I never felt like we were gonna trade with the Raps unless they wanted Mirza.

[bwgood77]

Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

Sounds about right. Another combo guard (at least b-ref lists him as shooting guard/point guard) that McD knows he has under contract for awhile.

The big issue with that is, especially with Bogdan coming over, and of course Booker, and then Knight, I'd hate to get a guy shooting 38.8% overall, 32.2% from 3, and 68% from the FT line, who is owed over $30 million the 3 years after this one.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shumpim01.html

[BobbieL]

Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

Sounds about right. Another combo guard (at least b-ref lists him as shooting guard/point guard) that McD knows he has under contract for awhile.

The big issue with that is, especially with Bogdan coming over, and of course Booker, and then Knight, I'd hate to get a guy shooting 38.8% overall, 32.2% from 3, and 68% from the FT line, who is owed over $30 million the 3 years after this one.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shumpim01.html

I wouldn't love Shumpert but if I could move Chandler for say Mozgov and Shumpert - that might be worth doing as you would get the cap savings from trading Chandler. But, to your point, with Booker already at the two guard, and KNight there as well, Shumpert just muddies the waters.

[BobbieL]

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Asking price is probably to rich for Raptors.

We just aren't good trade partners. The Raptors PF's are all trash, glorified role players. I don't want any part of them. They don't have any young players that scream potential either. I never felt like we were gonna trade with the Raps unless they wanted Mirza.

I mean, I get it from the Suns perspective on not wanting Pat Patt, or JJ or Scola or Terence Ross

But from the Raptors perspective: it seems giving up Pat Patt, Cabolco or Wright and a draft pick is a pretty good deal for Kieff.

That deal makes them a lot better. And with the core group they have, even that Nuggets/Knicks pick doesn't help them as much as a motivated Markieff Morris this year. Makes no sense to me if the Suns were willing to entertain the trade as listed, why they wouldn't want it. I don't love it for the Suns. But I also just want Kieff gone.

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/699633212562108416[/tweet]

Asking price is probably to rich for Raptors.

We just aren't good trade partners. The Raptors PF's are all trash, glorified role players. I don't want any part of them. They don't have any young players that scream potential either. I never felt like we were gonna trade with the Raps unless they wanted Mirza.

We are pretty good trade partners, but Masai plays hardball big time. I still think McD was trying to pry a pick along with a swap for Ennis and we would have taken Hood (who we had worked out twice) and Toronto said F you and took Bruno, who we may have taken with the Bogdan pick.

[Qwigglez]

^Yup I'm not enamored with Shump. Don't want him when we got enough wings. His salary also hovers just below 10mil next season. The Cavs have really no interesting parts for us, unless they were willing to move Irving for Bled/Knight.
Irving/Booker backcourt would be super fun to watch against the Warriors.

[bwgood77]

Wouldn't surprise me if you saw a Tucker for Shumpert deal (that's me speculating)

Sounds about right. Another combo guard (at least b-ref lists him as shooting guard/point guard) that McD knows he has under contract for awhile.

The big issue with that is, especially with Bogdan coming over, and of course Booker, and then Knight, I'd hate to get a guy shooting 38.8% overall, 32.2% from 3, and 68% from the FT line, who is owed over $30 million the 3 years after this one.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shumpim01.html

I wouldn't love Shumpert but if I could move Chandler for say Mozgov and Shumpert - that might be worth doing as you would get the cap savings from trading Chandler. But, to your point, with Booker already at the two guard, and KNight there as well, Shumpert just muddies the waters.

Shumpert makes over $30 million over the next three years shooting 38% and 32% from 3, and Chandler makes $39 million over 3 years. That's not saving much and we need leadership and centers more than another guard who can't shoot. That's an extra $3 million a year, and despite what people may think, Chandler is much more movable imo than Shumpert.

[RunDogGun]

Ray, ignore the haters, post what you hear. Many of us appreciate what you have heard. We should be smart enough to understand that not all deals go through, and what other GMs may want, doesn't mean they offer what is required to get that deal.