Kerrsed wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:I'd prefer dumping everyone on Brooklyn over taking Kanter. He's like a 0.1 value above replacement guy (so basically he's a neutral effect player) getting a max deal. That would scare me. I'd also prefer Jones over him if that was still on the table.
I'd take Kanter/Waiters for Chandler/Tucker in a heartbeat.
Kanter is averaging 11/9 in 20 minutes with a PER of 23.3.
Chandler is averaging 4.5/7 in 19 minutes with a PER of 10.6
So, i will take those stats for a mere $3M more than we are paying Chandler.
Kanter is 10 years younger than Chandler and has only been in the League for 4 years. Lets also remember what college he went to (Kentucky!). Sure, he is a weak defender, but so like 75% of our team. My idea would to throw him in as our starting PF next to Len.
Trade Morris/Leuer to Toronto for Biyombo/Bennett/Johnson
Then trade Knight for some young talent that has yet to be realized and/or a pick or two.
Bledsoe/Goodwin
Booker/Waiters
Warren/Johnson
Kanter/Bennett
Len/Biyombo
Draft Labissiere with our pick and Gary Payton II with a late 1st.
Its time to start over with a group of youngsters and give them plenty of minutes to develop. Develop our own guys instead of trying to trade/sign already developed players from other teams that will command a hefty price.
With Kanter, he's a great offensive talent, but I'm not a huge fan of PER because in my mind it undersells defense. Winshares and Value above replacement are better stats in my opinion, and both seem to show that Kanter's defense nearly outweighs his offense. So we're paying a max contract for a guy who just barely helps us win compared to a replacement player in that scenario. That's what happens when you're the worst defender in the NBA (and that's what Kanter has been over the last few seasons). I don't think the fact that the rest of the team sucks defensively warrants excusing that. The real question would be, does he have the ability and/or desire to improve on that end? I haven't seen it yet. He's not really a leaper, so I'd question his rim protection potential even if he focused on that end.
I completely agree on tearing it down and building around additional youth, but I want us to build around more 2 way players. And lately the development of guys like Green, Butler, and Leonard make me think defense first with the coordination to become good offensive players may be the way to go, particularly given our young talent is already offensive heavy between Knight, Warren, and Booker. To me, Len and Bledsoe are, or at least have shown the ability to be, 2 way players. Bledsoe's D is down this year, but he's defended in the past and I think he will play good defense again. I agree I'd rather have a 24 year old than Chandler, but if he can net Kanter he can net a pick instead from someone, which wouldn't cost us a max deal that I don't think the player is worth. Hell, we could trade him for just an expiring and then max out Jones or DMo, both of which I'd prefer to Kanter, and both of which have stronger advanced numbers aside from PER.
Waiters is a crazy chucker with a low effective FG% who performs very much below replacement level. I would rather just cut PJ and eat the partially guaranteed money for next year.
I want young guys with upside. I'd take Kanter if not for his contract, but I don't see Waiters as having any real upside. I think his height will be as a replacement level player.
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