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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#181 » by Qwigglez » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:37 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Is Ingram that bad that he isn't playing much?
Put Archie in...

i don't think he was bad, he just wasnt doing much. Kinda like Bender in a way


But isn't he suppose to be Durant-like? He only put up 2 shots. I know the guy is skinny, but so was Durant when he first entered the league. In fact I remember hearing how Durant couldn't even bench 135lbs.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#182 » by LukasBMW » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:38 am

Booker and Bledsoe will be fine.

TJ is a stud.

Chriss will have good nights and bad nights.

Bender still needs to find his shot.

I thought Tyson played VERY well. If he keeps this up...we may be OK at the starting center spot.

Len's stats look good with 16 & 9. If you watched the game, you know the real deal though. :/

Barbosa with some key vet plays to keep us up when we needed it.

Knight still sucks. 6th man at best.

Dudley leading us in +/-
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#183 » by kennydorglas » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:38 am

Very sad game.
Regular season games cant come close enough
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#184 » by Blackification » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:40 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Is Ingram that bad that he isn't playing much?
Put Archie in...

i don't think he was bad, he just wasnt doing much. Kinda like Bender in a way


But isn't he suppose to be Durant-like? He only put up 2 shots. I know the guy is skinny, but so was Durant when he first entered the league. In fact I remember hearing how Durant couldn't even bench 135lbs.

Coming in thats what people said, I think theres just too many shooters on the lakers for him to be able to do anything. Between Russell, clarkson, young, and lou williams, kid isnt going to get many shots until he gets super aggressive
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#185 » by Qwigglez » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:41 am

All of our starters finished in double figures minus Bledsoe who finished with 9 & 8. Is Warren capable of giving us 15 & 8 every night? Maybe not the 8 boards, but maybe 6-7?
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#186 » by Blackification » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:42 am

Qwigglez wrote:All of our starters finished in double figures minus Bledsoe who finished with 9 & 8. Is Warren capable of giving us 15 & 8 every night? Maybe not the 8 boards, but maybe 6-7?

Absolutely, didnt run any plays for him he just grabbed rebounds and boards cause he is all over the place.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#187 » by kennydorglas » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:42 am

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Blackification wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Is Ingram that bad that he isn't playing much?
Put Archie in...

i don't think he was bad, he just wasnt doing much. Kinda like Bender in a way


But isn't he suppose to be Durant-like? He only put up 2 shots. I know the guy is skinny, but so was Durant when he first entered the league. In fact I remember hearing how Durant couldn't even bench 135lbs.


I never saw Ingram playing as a point forward in the college and Walton is doing it with him now.
It's kinda odd if you really think about it.
We're doing the same with Bender (using him as a floor spacer)
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#188 » by letsgosuns » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:43 am

The Suns have one point guard on the roster and his name is Tyler Ulis. Idk what Bledsoe and Knight are but they are not point guards. It is such a shame that the Suns gave both of these guys 70 million dollar contracts and they are bench combo guards.

Multiple times tonight you saw Knight actually dribble into his defenders hands or that one play where he ran out of bounds when he got double teamed. Then you saw Bledsoe literally throw the ball to no one in the third quarter which was just one of his mind blowing mistakes. Is it too much to ask to have a point guard that does not seem drunk while he is playing?

Anyway, contrary to what some may say, this game meant something. If it did not, Watson does not bring his starters back in to win the game. Plus, the Suns are not the Spurs. There is not an on/off switch once the season starts for this Suns team. What you saw tonight from both the Suns and the Lakers is who they are. And they both sure look terrible.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#189 » by Blackification » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:43 am

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Qwigglez wrote:
Blackification wrote:i don't think he was bad, he just wasnt doing much. Kinda like Bender in a way


But isn't he suppose to be Durant-like? He only put up 2 shots. I know the guy is skinny, but so was Durant when he first entered the league. In fact I remember hearing how Durant couldn't even bench 135lbs.


I never saw Ingram playing as a point forward in the college and Walton is doing it with him now.
It's kinda odd if you really think about it.
We're doing the same with Bender (using him as a floor spacer)

his sample size for making the change was one summer league game. :crazy:
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#190 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:51 am

kennydorglas wrote:Very sad game.
Regular season games cant come close enough


I think this is the team we'll be seeing this season. We'll get better as the younger players develop but for the most part, we're a bottom tier team and will likely show it most nights. I think we have the worst center situation in the NBA and it's not close. And we have the worst power forward situation in the league and again, it's not at all close. And I can't think of a team that has a less appealing small forward situation than we do either although with Warren getting back to speed we might not stay that way for the whole season. But regardless, you don't win in the NBA when 40 to 60% of your rotation is at the very bottom of the league. We'd be a bad team even if we had Curry and Thompson manning our guard spots and despite some obvious talent, we are a long ways away from having a Curry/Thompson level backcourt.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#191 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:52 am

I guess Devin Booker has bad games too! I think the Portland game was the best game this preseason. I wouldn't call the preseason a success for us. Players didn't play and didn't get a good grasp of how the season will look. I wish more teams took it serious.

Eric Bledsoe looked eh. Len looked bad. I think Booker and Chriss looked the best. Season should be fun.



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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#192 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:53 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Suns have one point guard on the roster and his name is Tyler Ulis. Idk what Bledsoe and Knight are but they are not point guards. It is such a shame that the Suns gave both of these guys 70 million dollar contracts and they are bench combo guards.

Multiple times tonight you saw Knight actually dribble into his defenders hands or that one play where he ran out of bounds when he got double teamed. Then you saw Bledsoe literally throw the ball to no one in the third quarter which was just one of his mind blowing mistakes. Is it too much to ask to have a point guard that does not seem drunk while he is playing?

Anyway, contrary to what some may say, this game meant something. If it did not, Watson does not bring his starters back in to win the game. Plus, the Suns are not the Spurs. There is not an on/off switch once the season starts for this Suns team. What you saw tonight from both the Suns and the Lakers is who they are. And they both sure look terrible.


Yes, it's not going to be the prettiest game when the two teams projected to be 14th and 15th go head to head, particularly in preseason. Hard times ahead again, but at least we are younger. Hopefully we play those young guys enough...as bad as it may look and as hard as it may be to watch.

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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#193 » by letsgosuns » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:58 am

Serious question about this Suns team. Who is Tucker supposed to replace in the rotation? There is legitimately no room for him. Warren and Dudley have to play. Chriss absolutely has to play. Bender has to play too.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#194 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:59 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I guess Devin Booker has bad games too! I think the Portland game was the best game this preseason. I wouldn't call the preseason a success for us. Players didn't play and didn't get a good grasp of how the season will look. I wish more teams took it serious.

Eric Bledsoe looked eh. Len looked bad. I think Booker and Chriss looked the best. Season should be fun.



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The bad thing is, I think we DID take it serious. But let's face it, we have super raw young guys, aging role playing vets, and a couple of small guards who get injured a lot. Bledsoe may just be rusty after not playing any regular season games since December. This team will take time so patience is good and we will still need to probably move some pieces and add some more player in the next draft or two to get to where we want to be.
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Post#195 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:00 am

letsgosuns wrote:Serious question about this Suns team. Who is Tucker supposed to replace in the rotation? There is legitimately no room for him. Warren and Dudley have to play. Chriss absolutely has to play. Bender has to play too.


My guess is he rides the bench with Bender and if the game is close, he plays and if it is not and we are getting blown out, Bender plays.

We may play him more in the beginning of the season though if we are looking to trade him.
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Post#196 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:02 am

I hate when teams play guys that are not making the roster. We also didn't give minutes how we would in a regular season game.. that's what I hate about preseason. It's so pointless lol let's just get ready for the REAL season!


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Post#197 » by batsmasher » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:02 am

letsgosuns wrote:Serious question about this Suns team. Who is Tucker supposed to replace in the rotation? There is legitimately no room for him. Warren and Dudley have to play. Chriss absolutely has to play. Bender has to play too.

Bender. He may eat into a few of Marquese's minutes too.

The good news is that any injury 1-5 will open up spots for guys at any position. If Chandler gets hurt, Quese gets a few more minutes at the 5 and one of Bender/PJ/TJ can slide to the 4. We can move our lineups around pretty easily.
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Post#198 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:17 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I guess Devin Booker has bad games too! I think the Portland game was the best game this preseason. I wouldn't call the preseason a success for us. Players didn't play and didn't get a good grasp of how the season will look. I wish more teams took it serious.

Eric Bledsoe looked eh. Len looked bad. I think Booker and Chriss looked the best. Season should be fun.


It will be a lot of fun for me, it will be misery for a lot of fans. It all has to do with expectations.

All this national Booker love has some people thinking we have a Kobe in his prime and we simply don't. He is still a very young player, he might look like an all star some nights but he'll look he belongs in college the rest of the time. If you were to compare him to starting 2's around the league, he'd definitely grade out near the bottom, right now anyway. By the end of the season he should start coming closer to delivering on his incredible promise but even then he'll still be a work in progress.

Len is playing himself out of the NBA before our very eyes. Tyson is never more than a half step away from a hamstring, knee or ankle based vacation. Warren is basically a second year player that still needs a lot of grooming. Chriss is as raw as they come, Bender makes him look like a seasoned veteran. Bledsoe isn't the player he was, and the player he was, was never the player we hoped he'd become. Knight is a player that few people like when he plays well and no one likes when he doesn't. Barbosa has a little left in the tank but still has the flaws he left town with. Dudley lost it before we traded him to the Clippers and moving him to power forward does little to hide his shortcomings. On top of all this, we're staring at our 7th straight year out of the playoffs and we have a wet behind the ears head coach running the show. Some fans aren't going to take all this well.

I'll be enjoying the season though because I've already come to grips with what I believe is our current reality. Hopefully by Christmas, we'll have completely given up on the season and started playing the young guys major minutes. Dudley and Barbosa will see the court in emergency situations only. Most of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler and Tucker will have been traded for draft picks or 23 and under prospects. And our rotation will consist of Ulis, Booker, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Len, Jones jr, Williams and a couple of D league players. Our present is still bleak but our future has a lot to look forward to. But we're going to struggle out there until we develop these kids, add another potential star from this draft (hopefully) and cash in the 2 banked first round draft picks that Miami owes us.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#199 » by Kerrsed » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:17 am

LukasBMW wrote:Len's stats look good with 16 & 9. If you watched the game, you know the real deal though. :/


Yeah, i clearly remember 1 play where he blew the layup, got the rebound, blew the put back, got the rebound, blew the putback, got the rebound, blew the putback, then Bledsoe stormed the paint and grabbed the rebound and put it in the hoop. 3 rebounds off one play.

I also know there was another where it was very similar, but with him only getting the rebound twice before Warren put it in for him.

Pretty sure that was the only 5 offensive rebounds he got.
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Re: Preseason Finale! Game 6 Suns @ Lakers 

Post#200 » by letsgosuns » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:32 am

I have no expectations for this Suns team other than wanting to see Booker, Warren, Chriss, Bender, and Ulis develop. I really do not care about anyone else on the team, although I do love Dudley and still like Barbosa. I hope the Suns eventually move on from Bledsoe, Knight, and Tucker. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Chandler looks old so I do not care whether he is moved or not. As others said, if you watched the game, you saw how bad Len was. I do not even know the names of the Lakers big guys tonight but Len did nothing against them.

As far as what is going on with the NBA, let's be honest, this entire season is already over. There are two teams that have a chance to win the championship. Everyone else is so far behind it is not even fair.

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