Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

Blackification · Post #181 » by **Blackification** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:16 am

Qwigglez wrote:
ATTL wrote:
DRK wrote:

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Can't imagine why.

It's crazy to me that even the most casual fans realize how inefficient a player B-Knight is. I think it's also his demeanor on the court.

Well its hard not to notice the guy who trips over his own feet 5 times a game

Bogyo · Post #182 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:33 am

We might not have the loudest arena, but our fans know a thing or two about basketball... Too bad for BK

Post #183 » by **lilfishi22** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:22 pm

Blackification wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Can't imagine why.

It's crazy to me that even the most casual fans realize how inefficient a player B-Knight is. I think it's also his demeanor on the court.

Well its hard not to notice the guy who trips over his own feet 5 times a game

Yeah honestly, it's his style. And the fact that he's not very good at breaking down his defender in the iso. So many times I've watched him try to take his defender (even in the mismatch) off the dribble only for his drive stopped 2 feet inside the 3PT line which results him pulling up or passing it back out having wasted 18-20s of the possession.

NTB · Post #184 » by **NTB** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:59 pm

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blacksun · Post #185 » by **blacksun** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:27 pm

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I was just thinking about the Prince non-signing yesterday. You guys remember the report saying that Price chose to sign for OKC, then after we signed LB as replacement for him? He must have thought at the time that he should've signed with us instead. Funny how it goes full-circle.

Good signing if ever, but Price would be the eighth assistant coach in our bench right now, although four of them are player development coaches. Still, I wonder if thats too many voices for such a young team.

Fo-Real · Post #186 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:52 pm

Price as a coach has no drawbacks. We told him when he left that he would have a coaching job waiting here when he retired. He is part of the positive family atmosphere that has developed. Welcome back Ronnie!

Fo-Real · Post #187 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:16 pm

As I mentioned in the game thread, I would be inclined to give up actual assets within reason to specifically target Okafor. A few years down the road to have young talent like Booker, Okafor, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ulis on your roster as young vets looks great to me. Okafor is a piece at C to grow with those other guys. Would probably have to involve some part of a Threeway, but Knight, Len and something else might get some consideration.

Fo-Real · Post #188 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:19 pm

Guys are clamoring for a C with the talents of Cousins? Okafor has that type of talent without the bull attitude.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #189 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:25 pm

Fo-Real wrote:As I mentioned in the game thread, I would be inclined to give up actual assets within reason to specifically target Okafor. A few years down the road to have young talent like Booker, Okafor, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ulis on your roster as young vets looks great to me. Okafor is a piece at C to grow with those other guys. Would probably have to involve some part of a Threeway, but Knight, Len and something else might get some consideration.

Not a bad idea - I'm sure we're considering ways to get our franchise center, while the Sixers have all bigs and no guards. But none of their three bigs are perfect. Holmes is a bit undersized for a C, and you don't get his RFA rights at the end of his current contract. Nerlens is light and injury prone, but is the best of the three defensively. Okafor's great in the post, but defense and rebounding are where we're weak, and that's not his strong suit.

Bam and Bolden might be available where we draft next year. They might be better options. Maybe Jon Jeanne is Gobert 2.0. Who knows. We're all so eager to see Knight gone that we fans probably don't even care even we see any returns in the near future from dealing him.

Fo-Real · Post #190 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:49 pm

I think everyone today gets caught up on what people aren't doing yet rather than what they are already showing flashes of brilliance at. Okafor is a beast in the post that HAS to be doubled. He is young enough to get better at defense, and rebounding, the physical body is there. I would much rather he be here learning that stuff from Chandler than Len. All the other stuff about maybe someone in the draft down the line or us being in the position to actually get them is so MAYBE. We have the assets right now to put a star quality very young big into the window of some possibly star quality young players we already have and leave them the hell alone to grow together, mesh and learn to cover each other's weaknesses, and get stronger together for a long time. Instead of always churning our team as we have forever. Don't covet what might be, cultivate the star in hand, and for the first time in a very long time, we have some VERY interesting young talent on this team, adding Okafor would top it off for me this year. Len is not going to be the long term answer to anything. We could lock down a real CORE right now with pieces to trade like Knight, Len and possibly one of those blank check Miami picks without really mortgaging our future.

Fo-Real · Post #191 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:50 pm

That's just my thought, I'll get off my soap box this morning.

Barkley_34 · Post #192 » by **Barkley_34** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:55 pm

Hi Guys!

I was a time without posting anything, but I'm always reading our forum.

I am very happy seeing the growth of our youth, Booker and Warren certainly are developing every day. The evolution of Len did not happen, unfortunately I think it will be a rotation player only.
But here's the real facts:

- In my humble opinion we need a player with post moves and accompanying our best young players, our team urgently needs this kind of move to become more balanced, and thus more open the game for our guards. Said it several times in this forum ... Okafor is a big name. He has the offensive game, has the tools to be one of the best C in the league. The boy has 19 years old. This time under the tutelage of Chandler it could grow so much defensively. Imagine in two years Booker, Cris, Warren, bender, Okafor? Would be wonderful.

- B. Knight is sadly lacking confidence and playing out of position. I hate his game, but the Bucks he played in an acceptable manner. But now a trade with the 76ers would be perfect.

- Eric Bledsoe is very criticized by some people here, but the big problem is the expectation that people put on his shoulders. He is not an All Star, and never will be ... but He is an excellent point guard marking and a more organized and cohesive team can be very useful.

- Tyson Chandler is having a formidable early season. Well above expectations. I think our team is on the right track.

- With one or two trades we could already go to the playoffs, yesterday's game proved it and it sure was a great learning experience.

LukasBMW · Post #193 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:12 pm

At this point, I'd swap Knight and Len for Oakfor.

Even if he curls up under the basket and naps for 24 seconds on defense, at least he can score on the offensive end and get us points in the paint. Len can't do that.

Barkley_34 · Post #194 » by **Barkley_34** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:34 pm

LukasBMW wrote:At this point, I'd swap Knight and Len for Oakfor.

Even if he curls up under the basket and naps for 24 seconds on defense, at least he can score on the offensive end and get us points in the paint. Len can't do that.

the big problem is: Len and Knight are low value marked now, Alex is a free agent, and had cost a lot of money. Knight although it is bad, is a player who already had an excellent production, has 24 years old. Probably a trade by Okafor would cost one of the picks of Miami, and I would do it right now. The 2018 could be interesting. Okafor has 3 years in Rookie contract. I think spending a pick in this trade can be viable.

LukasBMW · Post #195 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:06 pm

Barkley_34 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:At this point, I'd swap Knight and Len for Oakfor.

Even if he curls up under the basket and naps for 24 seconds on defense, at least he can score on the offensive end and get us points in the paint. Len can't do that.

the big problem is: Len and Knight are low value marked now, Alex is a free agent, and had cost a lot of money. Knight although it is bad, is a player who already had an excellent production, has 24 years old. Probably a trade by Okafor would cost one of the picks of Miami, and I would do it right now. The 2018 could be interesting. Okafor has 3 years in Rookie contract. I think spending a pick in this trade can be viable.

I'd be down to send Philly the less desirable of The 2018 Miami pick or our own pick for Oakfor.

Then I'd send Len to the D-league and try to murder his value so we can force him to resign a super low deal. Maybe eventually he will come around.

Post #196 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:07 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Guys are clamoring for a C with the talents of Cousins? Okafor has that type of talent without the bull attitude.

He does beat up pedestrians like Mook did though. Having said that I'd trade for him but it would likely take a lot more than Knight, with or without Len (they likely wouldn't want Len since they have the center jam).

Post #197 » by **ATTL** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:45 pm

I'd trade bledsoe for okafor if that gets the deal done. Neither knight or bledsoe are going to be our lead guards for our next great team. Olafor could be our starting 5.

Damkac · Post #198 » by **Damkac** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:14 pm

- Chandler and Tucker to Bucks for Monroe and 1st

Bucks gets defensive center who won championship with Kidd and get rid of Monroe who they don't want.

- Knight to NO for Evans and 1st

Because AD can't score all the points.

Evans is expiring, Monroe has 17 mil player option.
Suns get rid of long term contracts and get more picks. They could use picks to trade up in the draft or combine them with Bledsoe and trade for star player. They also have more cap space for free agents in the offseason.

KLEON · Post #199 » by **KLEON** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:30 pm

letsgosuns wrote:From Marc Stein's column today:

7. Three established names we expect to be dealt are …

Rudy Gay.

Nerlens Noel.

Ricky Rubio.

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4633/will-boogie-be-traded-this-year-is-harden-going-to-make-history

Wouldn't mind having a pass first PG here.

Knight and Len to the Wolves for Rubio and Dieng
Wolves get a back up 2 guard which they don't have on their roster and an expiring contract

Suns finally gets a pass first PG and also an expiring contract

letsgosuns · Post #200 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:43 pm

As much as I would like a pass first point guard to replace the Bledsoe and Knight, I do not think Rubio is the guy. I have watched him for years and have never been impressed by his play. I also think he has been in the league long enough and believe this is as good as he is going to get.

As crazy as it sounds, the Suns legitimately have a pass first point guard ready to log significant minutes immediately in Ulis. Think about how well he ran the team in the first game. Then last night he came in for two minutes and had an assist to Warren and then hit a mid-range shot. The guy is ready to play. He pushes the tempo every single play, plays amazing defense for an undersized guard, and knows how to run an offense. He is 20 years old. I think he has all the tools to lead this team right now better than any other point guard on the roster.