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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 2: End This Knightmare! 

Post#182 » by Villalobos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:22 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Is there a trade where we can get Anthony Davis? Give our 2017/2019 picks unprotected, 2 Miami picks, Warren/Chriss? Is that enough. Throw Knight to a 3rd team for salary dump plus pick going toward Pelicans side.

Could have...
Bledsoe/Booker/Bender/Davis/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Dudley/Tucker/Len


With the new CBA stars are going to be even less likely to ever be traded. There's incredible financial incentive for stars to say with their teams now. Which, IMO, is a very good thing, especially if the Suns ever manage to draft/sign a superstar again. Stars will get traded when they're old and their team can't contend anymore. But young stars? No way.

I doubt even Boogie gets traded at this point.
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Post#183 » by Sonne » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:38 pm

proedros1908 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6nhtuc
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Post#184 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:02 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Has anybody brought up the Suns going after Derrick Favors? I can see this.

Again, I'm not good at trade machine but would love him here. Just don't know what it'll take.

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I did a couple weeks back. I think a deal centered around bledsoe and favors makes some sense for both teams. For the suns they would need to follow this with a chandler deal. For the jazz i think a hill bledsoe pairing would work.

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Post#185 » by Bogyo » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:26 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Has anybody brought up the Suns going after Derrick Favors? I can see this.

Again, I'm not good at trade machine but would love him here. Just don't know what it'll take.

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I did a couple weeks back. I think a deal centered around bledsoe and favors makes some sense for both teams. For the suns they would need to follow this with a chandler deal. For the jazz i think a hill bledsoe pairing would work.

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Yup, same here, and I somewhat liked the idea. But it's a classic "blow-it-up" trade, becouse after the Bledsoe trade, you "have to" trade Chandler as you said. Then you still have Knight and Tucker on the roster who should be gone sooner than later. And if both Bled and Knight are gone you need another PG (before you can draft one this year), so that's only a stopgap solution again... All of this is a bit too difficult/messy I'd say.
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Post#186 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:57 pm

Bogyo wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Has anybody brought up the Suns going after Derrick Favors? I can see this.

Again, I'm not good at trade machine but would love him here. Just don't know what it'll take.

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I did a couple weeks back. I think a deal centered around bledsoe and favors makes some sense for both teams. For the suns they would need to follow this with a chandler deal. For the jazz i think a hill bledsoe pairing would work.

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Yup, same here, and I somewhat liked the idea. But it's a classic "blow-it-up" trade, becouse after the Bledsoe trade, you "have to" trade Chandler as you said. Then you still have Knight and Tucker on the roster who should be gone sooner than later. And if both Bled and Knight are gone you need another PG (before you can draft one this year), so that's only a stopgap solution again... All of this is a bit too difficult/messy I'd say.


You could be right but I guess I look at it like this. The real questions is just how tradeable is Chandler; I would assume if they wanted to they could move him especially if all they wanted back was an expiring contract. But even if Chandler isn't as moveable as most of us think then you could look to move Len instead and I think he's very easy to move considering his small cap number and since you would have your C of the present and the future in Favors it reduces the chances that Len is resigned in the offseason. I don't think this deal changes how I approach Tucker and Knight at all. Tucker is an expiring and should be traded regardless of any other moves. I would love to trade Knight but with his play I just don't know what team would want him. If Bledsoe is dealt I'd like Knight start at PG; hes'd probably continue to suck but since I wouldn't care about winning this year that doesn't matter and actually helps up their draft spot to maybe draft his replacement. Who knows maybe back in the starting lineup he'd put up some numbers and make him easier to trade this summer.

With all that said there are other Bledsoe deals I'd prefer to this one. Heck I'd prefer a package of young guys from Utah over this one.
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Post#187 » by RunDogGun » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:11 pm

I wouldn't mind exploring a point forward role in Bender if we happened to move both Bledsoe and Knight. Maybe run LB with Bender to handle the ball and initiate the offense.
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Post#188 » by sunbolt » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:46 pm

Its getting to the point where we have to move on from Bledsoe. He and Booker should be getting much better results.

A realistic trade to help both teams would be to trade Bledsoe to Denver for the best PG in the 2016 draft, Jamal Murray, and the Memphis 2017 #1 pick. Murray played great with Ulis at Kentucky and has tremendous upside. He would be another core player for the Suns.

For Denver, this puts Bledsoe ahead of Mudiay at the point and leaves them with Gary Harris, Will Barton, and 2016 first round pick Malik Beasley at the 2. The Nuggets have been struggling despite a lot of veterans. Bledsoe would elevate the entire team.

This makes sense for both teams and Denver can absorb the entire salary differential being below the cap.
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Post#189 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:50 pm

sunbolt wrote:Its getting to the point where we have to move on from Bledsoe. He and Booker should be getting much better results.

A realistic trade to help both teams would be to trade Bledsoe to Denver for the best PG in the 2016 draft, Jamal Murray, and the Memphis 2017 #1 pick. Murray played great with Ulis at Kentucky and has tremendous upside. He would be another core player for the Suns.

For Denver, this puts Bledsoe ahead of Mudiay at the point and leaves them with Gary Harris, Will Barton, and 2016 first round pick Malik Beasley at the 2. The Nuggets have been struggling despite a lot of veterans. Bledsoe would elevate the entire team.

This makes sense for both teams and Denver can absorb the entire salary differential being below the cap.


I just don't think that's the direction the Nugs want to go. They'd prefer to lose vets than add, I'd imagine.

ORL, MIL and SAC are the teams I'm eyeballing in a Bledsoe deal. While I'd like to add a lanky 2/3 on a long-term deal, I'd be fine just moving him for picks. Tyler Ulis needs to take the reins asap.
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Post#190 » by Phoenix-Sons » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:04 pm

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sunbolt wrote:Its getting to the point where we have to move on from Bledsoe. He and Booker should be getting much better results.

A realistic trade to help both teams would be to trade Bledsoe to Denver for the best PG in the 2016 draft, Jamal Murray, and the Memphis 2017 #1 pick. Murray played great with Ulis at Kentucky and has tremendous upside. He would be another core player for the Suns.

For Denver, this puts Bledsoe ahead of Mudiay at the point and leaves them with Gary Harris, Will Barton, and 2016 first round pick Malik Beasley at the 2. The Nuggets have been struggling despite a lot of veterans. Bledsoe would elevate the entire team.

This makes sense for both teams and Denver can absorb the entire salary differential being below the cap.


I just don't think that's the direction the Nugs want to go. They'd prefer to lose vets than add, I'd imagine.

ORL, MIL and SAC are the teams I'm eyeballing in a Bledsoe deal. While I'd like to add a lanky 2/3 on a long-term deal, I'd be fine just moving him for picks. Tyler Ulis needs to take the reins asap.

I'd love to get Aaron Gordon from the Magic, but that's not happening. Maybe Hezonja and a protected pick from them?
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Post#191 » by Saberestar » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:10 pm

I would trade Bledsoe for Jamal Murray. I like him A LOT as a PG because he has great vision and shooting.
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Post#192 » by Weemsickew14 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:27 pm

Would love to see a ray-ray post right about now :nod:
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Post#193 » by sunsbum » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:13 pm

Weemsickew14 wrote:Would love to see a ray-ray post right about now :nod:


I think we cleared this up last year but none of the insiders actually have any info anymore.
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Post#194 » by sunsbum » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:17 pm

I'd like to move the 4 vets that have won us a total of 9 games this year. Bledsoe/Tucker/Knight and TC. Realistically though I think we are only going to see 2 of those guys gone unfortunately.
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Post#195 » by TeamTragic » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:20 pm

I think I would have to agree at this point. Bledsoe is having a great season. Good for him (he deserves it) and his trade value. Bad for this team that has a horrible lineup. I don't put much hope in Watson.
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Post#196 » by LukasBMW » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:54 pm

Saberestar wrote:I would trade Bledsoe for Jamal Murray. I like him A LOT as a PG because he has great vision and shooting.


I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Hell I'd throw in Tucker and Len.

Murray next to Booker would be legit. Lights out shooting. What we give up in penetration, we get back in playmaking.
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Post#197 » by LukasBMW » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:55 pm

Weemsickew14 wrote:Would love to see a ray-ray post right about now :nod:


Some of the idiots here ran him off.

Same with Paola...errrr.... Traxxee
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Post#198 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:20 pm

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Weemsickew14 wrote:Would love to see a ray-ray post right about now :nod:


Some of the idiots here ran him off.

Same with Paola...errrr.... Traxxee


I got the inside scoop. We may be looking to trade several players and are looking into it and have opened dialogue with several teams who are willing to listen at this time. They feel some teams might be willing to make some moves before the trade deadline. But they are unlikely to make trades unless reasonable value is returning.
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Post#199 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:24 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I would trade Bledsoe for Jamal Murray. I like him A LOT as a PG because he has great vision and shooting.


I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Hell I'd throw in Tucker and Len.

Murray next to Booker would be legit. Lights out shooting. What we give up in penetration, we get back in playmaking.


Yeah, lights out shooting with them both hovering between 33% and 35% from 3. Also his vision isn't so great with his 1.9-1.4 ast/to ratio.

Tyus Jones with his over 3-1 ast/to ratio, great TS%, and shooting over 40% from 3 is preferable, and he's behind two PGs currently.

Here is a comparison of Jones and Murray. Look at per 36 on assists, turnovers and the advanced stats.

http://bkref.com/tiny/SsmTL

sunbolt wrote:Its getting to the point where we have to move on from Bledsoe. He and Booker should be getting much better results.

A realistic trade to help both teams would be to trade Bledsoe to Denver for the best PG in the 2016 draft, Jamal Murray, and the Memphis 2017 #1 pick. Murray played great with Ulis at Kentucky and has tremendous upside. He would be another core player for the Suns.

For Denver, this puts Bledsoe ahead of Mudiay at the point and leaves them with Gary Harris, Will Barton, and 2016 first round pick Malik Beasley at the 2. The Nuggets have been struggling despite a lot of veterans. Bledsoe would elevate the entire team.

This makes sense for both teams and Denver can absorb the entire salary differential being below the cap.


I'd trade for Barton. I really don't wan any more shoot first pgs who have a bad ast/to ratio
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Post#200 » by dremill24 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:26 pm

I love how people complain that Bledsoe isn't enough of a pure distributor but want Murray to run the show lol.
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