The Official 2024 Offseason Thread

[Saberestar]

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[bwgood77]

Maybe we can lobby Silver to take action and add to the Stepien rule with an amendment, calling it The Ishbia amendment, to save him from himself.

[sunsbg]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that makes less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

I'm trying to think of a really old, injury prone, used to be good, C that we could trade Nurkic, Little and our picks for. But I'll have to think about it a little more.

Who said it should be a C. As Nets fan suggested in 'Suns owner is not very smart' GB thread it could be someone like Poole. The fit is undeniable.

[Son of Ra]

Me after catching up on the last 5-6 pages....

[LV-Suns]

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I would hate to watch Bud head to the Lakers while we're stuck with Vogel. Vogel seems like a square peg we're trying to force into a round hole. His focus has always been on defense, which is great, but our team is packed with high-caliber offensive players who need to be put in their ideal positions. Bud has a track record of leading teams to high-octane offenses, and that's what we need right now.

[Stix]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that makes less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

I'm trying to think of a really old, injury prone, used to be good, C that we could trade Nurkic, Little and our picks for. But I'll have to think about it a little more.

Sounds like Brook Lopez to me.

[dremill24]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that makes less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

I'm trying to think of a really old, injury prone, used to be good, C that we could trade Nurkic, Little and our picks for. But I'll have to think about it a little more.

Sounds like Brook Lopez to me.

Lopez makes $23mil next season, which is more thank Nurkic makes, and you cant add Little, so hes out. (and that doesnt even take into consideration whether Milwaukee would want to give him up for what we have).

[KLEON]

For the numbers ppl out there. Is there any chance the Suns could get Oubre, Payne and McGee. I'm also hoping that Jones and Ishbia are come their senses and trade Beal. I'm hoping the Sixers come up short in pursuing PG13, The Butler and B.I and then pursue Beal in a trade.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://sports.yahoo.com/podcasts/balldontlie/



Jake Fischer discusses the suns cap space situation under the 2nd apron at around 30:00 minutes in!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that make less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

There are really three names that come to mind for me that'd fit that criteria and are in the 12 million dollar range that I'm sure they'll pursue!
1- Steven Adams.
2- Richaun Holmes.
3- Mitchell Robinson.

[King4Day]

Well, they certainly aren't firing him if they are already planning to extend him.
I wonder if we should go after someone like Charles Lee from Boston. Sounds like he's a hot commodity and I don't want to recycle coaches anymore.

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[Jdiddy701]

The reason Vogel hasn’t been fired is because the Suns don’t know who could possibility replace him. It sounds like Ty Lue will be extended with the Clippers, so who else is available? I FEEL like JJ Reddick will be a good coach, but it could turn out so bad if he’s not. We might just stick with Vogel honestly. The Suns are screwed with Vogel if so. I have always got a fake vibe from Vogel, when I read the players thought the same, I was laughing so hard.

We should have never let go of Monty honestly. One thing I respect the hell outta Monty is that he held his players accountable. This team desperately needs that. I think JJ Reddick would do the same.

For those saying blow it up, you can’t do that when you don’t control your picks. The Suns are not going to blow it up and they shouldn’t.


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[Saberestar]

For the numbers ppl out there. Is there any chance the Suns could get Oubre, Payne and McGee. I'm also hoping that Jones and Ishbia are come their senses and trade Beal. I'm hoping the Sixers come up short in pursuing PG13, The Butler and B.I and then pursue Beal in a trade.

Hard pass on McGee, he is retiring from basketball.

We can't sign Oubre and I am not a fan of him.

I would be OK with Payne but I would prefer a better PG...hopefully McConnell or Schroder.

[TeamTragic]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that make less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

There are really three names that come to mind for me that'd fit that criteria and are in the 12 million dollar range that I'm sure they'll pursue!
1- Steven Adams.
2- Richaun Holmes.
3- Mitchell Robinson.

Anyone on that list would fit better on this team

[TeamTragic]

The reason Vogel hasn’t been fired is because the Suns don’t know who could possibility replace him. It sounds like Ty Lue will be extended with the Clippers, so who else is available? I FEEL like JJ Reddick will be a good coach, but it could turn out so bad if he’s not. We might just stick with Vogel honestly. The Suns are screwed with Vogel if so. I have always got a fake vibe from Vogel, when I read the players thought the same, I was laughing so hard.

We should have never let go of Monty honestly. One thing I respect the hell outta Monty is that he held his players accountable. This team desperately needs that. I think JJ Reddick would do the same.

For those saying blow it up, you can’t do that when you don’t control your picks. The Suns are not going to blow it up and they shouldn’t.

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Monty was absolute dog **** JD

[Jdiddy701]

The reason Vogel hasn’t been fired is because the Suns don’t know who could possibility replace him. It sounds like Ty Lue will be extended with the Clippers, so who else is available? I FEEL like JJ Reddick will be a good coach, but it could turn out so bad if he’s not. We might just stick with Vogel honestly. The Suns are screwed with Vogel if so. I have always got a fake vibe from Vogel, when I read the players thought the same, I was laughing so hard.

We should have never let go of Monty honestly. One thing I respect the hell outta Monty is that he held his players accountable. This team desperately needs that. I think JJ Reddick would do the same.

For those saying blow it up, you can’t do that when you don’t control your picks. The Suns are not going to blow it up and they shouldn’t.

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Monty was absolute dog **** JD

Every coach is dog ish according to you guys.


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[SunsRback4Good]

The reason Vogel hasn’t been fired is because the Suns don’t know who could possibility replace him. It sounds like Ty Lue will be extended with the Clippers, so who else is available? I FEEL like JJ Reddick will be a good coach, but it could turn out so bad if he’s not. We might just stick with Vogel honestly. The Suns are screwed with Vogel if so. I have always got a fake vibe from Vogel, when I read the players thought the same, I was laughing so hard.

We should have never let go of Monty honestly. One thing I respect the hell outta Monty is that he held his players accountable. This team desperately needs that. I think JJ Reddick would do the same.

For those saying blow it up, you can’t do that when you don’t control your picks. The Suns are not going to blow it up and they shouldn’t.

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Monty was absolute dog **** JD

Every coach is dog ish according to you guys.


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Where were you in the playoffs? At least Saber showed up to support this stupid team. But you were nowhere to be found after saying how great this team was and we should be patient. Hmm

[dremill24]

Who is this magical player who is available for only two 1sts that make less than Nurkic that would actually make a difference?

There are really three names that come to mind for me that'd fit that criteria and are in the 12 million dollar range that I'm sure they'll pursue!
1- Steven Adams.
2- Richaun Holmes.
3- Mitchell Robinson.

1-Adams is nice in theory, but you have to trade either Nurkic or Allen for him. Rockets went outta their way to get him while injured, which could be because of his contract status (1yr left at this point). Nurk for Adams swap doesnt seem to make a lot of sense, as Nurkic is on the books for multiple years and he'd be a backup to their best player. Adams could also be just done from an injury standpoint, where he only serves as expiring salary filler for them, which Nurkic would not be. So if they wouldnt be that interested in Nurkic the player or Nurkic the contract, then I think hes out. That leaves Allen. They could be into Allen the player if they're willing to stomach his contract. If we pretend they would swap Adams for Allen (I would guess they probably dont but its not crazy), then it becomes a question of whether that makes the Suns any better. A prime, fully healthy Adams is surely a nice piece, but Im not sure that player exists anymore. Also, Id wager that Allen actually has more trade value than Adams, so it also becomes a question of whether Allen could be moved for something better and more impactful, I would guess he could. I also dont think Adams ends up moving the needle, really.

2-Holmes just doesnt really help any NBA team at this point...

3-Robinson is easily the best player of the 3. And its the same question of Allen or Nurkic. Do either make sense for the Knicks? I think Nurkic is an easy no, Robinson is better and cheaper, and they're likely pretty "win-now" so downgrading Robinson to Nurkic just to get a 1st doesnt seem likely, especially with Hartenstein as a flight risk. Allen for Robinson? Again, the talent tradeoff isnt crazy, but would NY want to make the swap? Perhaps if Hartenstein comes back its not impossible, but I kinda doubt it. Is Robinson helpful for PHX? If hes healthy (major concern), sure. Helpful enough to warrant a straight swap? Possibly. Helpful enough to warrant Allen plus a 1st if they demand it? I dont think so. Would he even move the needle enough if they got him for free? Not by himself.

My question was more rhetorical as I do not believe there is a <$18mil player who can be had for our limited draft assets that would actually raise the team's ceiling enough to warrant mortgaging even more of the future. This team is not a Rudy Gay-for-Shane Battier 'fit' trade away from contending. They need way more than you can get with two picks and a mediocre center.

[Slim Charless]

Monty was absolute dog **** JD

Every coach is dog ish according to you guys.


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Where were you in the playoffs? At least Saber showed up to support this stupid team. But you were nowhere to be found after saying how great this team was and we should be patient. Hmm

Watching Monty Williams highlights. Detroit killed it this year, didn't you see? Monty made that team a monster.

[SunsRback4Good]

Every coach is dog ish according to you guys.


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Where were you in the playoffs? At least Saber showed up to support this stupid team. But you were nowhere to be found after saying how great this team was and we should be patient. Hmm

Watching Monty Williams highlights. Detroit killed it this year, didn't you see? Monty made that team a monster.

CP3 made Monty entire career without his services Monty would have under 50 wins through his first 10 coaching years. Luckily Paul came to save him in Phoenix as our team won 51 & 64 in consecutive seasons. Some coaches thrive on great pg while others don’t.