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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#181 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:16 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:If we're going by hindsight, we should've shipped DA off after the Finals when his value was the highest. Or better yet....not draft him. Or better yet, resign Joe Johnson. Or better yet....how far back should we go back with hindsight?


Everything we've done since the finals 2021 has been because we didn't take Doncic (to a lesser extent Haliburton). Doncic being the playmaker to share the load with Booker. And KD being a solution to not having that.

That causes us to trade literally everything from our assets to get a star next to Booker. Which resulted in having literally zero NBA level rotation players around the main 4 guys. In other words we needed another year/off-season to add more assets to be able to sustain a real rotation after trading for a star.

At some point you have to learn from your mistakes, so that's why hindsight is valuable. Otherwise you're just being a [redacted] and end up doubling down (like if we trade for Butler and use the rest of our picks).

And with respect to Butler (or without him, even), any scenario where we get Butler and don't win a championship, even if it improves the team and we make a conference finals or finals, is a total failure at this point.

Can't disagree with that.

I also agree with the principle of learning from mistakes but I don't think there's a ton of value in the exercise of going back to certain points in time and saying oh we should've done this or should've done that. We should be backwards looking for lessons to learn but dwelling in decisions made in the past is just crying over spilt milk.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#182 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:35 pm

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I think they should start Allen over Tyus. I know they may have promised they would start him but they could say they have. It's not like it matters.

Then bring Beal in first off the bench for whoeever comes out, then Royce, then Tyus, then Morris or Okogie.....Oso goes in when Plumlee comes out.


So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.


No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.

There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.

As someone who loves the pure PG's (Nash is my favourite player of all time), it pains me to agree that running Point Book and bringing more size into the starting line up might give us the defensive chops we need to lift us from 2nd last in the league in 1st quarter DRTG. Like I see the irony that we're almost going back to the starting line up of last season which no one was a fan of but Booker is imo a better PG this season than he has been as a scorer which makes almost no sense considering we have a high level PG in Tyus starting next to him. But the fact is we haven't really utilised Tyus in a more on-ball way than I had expected and as you mentioned, he's kind of being used to bring the ball up and occasionally run some plays but more often than not, it's going back to Book. So if we're not maximising him on offense and he's been a drag defensively, we may as well switch out for someone who can be an high level spacer for Book/KD and also bring it defensively. Also FWIW, we're 25th in DRTG this season....no matter how you look at it, from the defensive standpoint we were far better last season (13th rated)

If we're bringing $50m Beal off the bench, I don't care what we promised vet min Tyus
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#183 » by BobbieL » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:37 pm

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Is anyone else buying this because I really don't see Milwaukee wanting Beal over Butler.


I don't get the 'bucks want to do this'. I think these are more hypotheticals.


Skip Butler

And why would the bucks do this?
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Post#184 » by They_Them_Hatin » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:01 pm

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So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.


No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.

There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.


I've never liked Point Book. I'd rather keep Tyus in there and have him run it more. Don't like Greyson starting still but I get your point about balance needed with Dunn out there

Not a fan of Point Book either. It doesn’t work when it matters. It seems behind the scenes, they decided to put the ball in his hands over Tyus after the losing streak. Which is so stupid and reactionary. He kind of deserves the demotion for throwing up lobs to these centers but if they can get a real center on the roster I think they should go back to him & leave this Point Book mess alone.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#185 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:02 pm

NapoleonII wrote:I see what you're saying, but Tyus is mostly there to not TURN it over. That's been Booker and KD's problem since they started playing together without a PG. In this league today, turnovers are death. They're easy buckets or 3 point shots for the other team, they're less 3 point attempts for us, less free throws.

And it took Allen a few games to figure it out, but he's been brilliant off the bench. Not every guy can do that.

I think our size will be fine with Dunn (6'8) and a real center we can trade for. Tyus/Book/Dunn/KD and a real freaking center, please.

I think it's a risk/reward balance. You're right, Tyus doesn't turn it over, he's leading the team (not sure where he's ranked in the league) in A:T but man, you can't tell me our offense hasn't felt mid AF all season long. Even with a scorer like Beal in the starting line up, it just hasn't felt significantly better than last season. I'm not trying to pin this solely on Tyus, but it just doesn't feel like he's been a massive positive I was expecting. Last season we were 25th in the league in turning the ball over and had a 13.4 TOV% (27th). This season, we've improved to 10th in the league in TO per game (-1.0 less than last season) and have a 12.8 TOV% (13th). These are improvements but not the wholesale improvements you would expect. I think our simplified offense and increased 3PA itself probably had a bigger impact on lowering TO's than the addition of Tyus if I'm being honest.

This season, we're 10th in Offensive Rating whereas we were 9th last season. But we're 25th in Defensive Rating whereas we were 13th last season. We have a MINUS 1.4 net rating this season (19th in the league) whereas we had a PLUS 3.1 last season (9th in the league).

Another big metric is our pace. We were pretty mid last season at 15th in the league (98.3), this season...we're 25th (97.1)

So we're more or less about the same offensively as last season, we're significantly slower than last season and imo our offense has bene largely propped up by our increased 3PT shooting volume. The problem last season was we were basically a mid team on both ends of the court. This season we're a mid team offensively and one of the worst defensively. Again, not pinning this solely on Tyus because Book has been pretty poor defensively too but I think that's potentially also because he's had to defend tougher match ups because we're hiding Tyus on the worst scorer on the opposing team.

We made a good first step with swapping in Dunn for Beal so we have more length, more defensive tenacity and more athleticism on that end of the court. But Beal was a good defense this season so the improvement overall defensively has been good but not great, especially when we still have Tyus out there. The big improvement probably comes from swapping Tyus for bigger, more competent defender (Grayson or Royce)
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#186 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:05 pm

BobbieL wrote:
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Is anyone else buying this because I really don't see Milwaukee wanting Beal over Butler.


I don't get the 'bucks want to do this'. I think these are more hypotheticals.


Skip Butler

And why would the bucks do this?

And why would Beal waive his NTC to go to Milwaukee? I get it if he wants to go to Miami (warm weather, beaches, sun, zero state income tax) but Milwaukee........
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Post#187 » by Revived » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:07 pm

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Post#188 » by They_Them_Hatin » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:17 pm

BobbieL wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Is anyone else buying this because I really don't see Milwaukee wanting Beal over Butler.


I don't get the 'bucks want to do this'. I think these are more hypotheticals.


Skip Butler

And why would the bucks do this?

Why would the Heat do this? Khris barely plays & Bobby is so on and off.
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Post#189 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:20 pm

They_Them_Hatin wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.

There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.


I've never liked Point Book. I'd rather keep Tyus in there and have him run it more. Don't like Greyson starting still but I get your point about balance needed with Dunn out there

Not a fan of Point Book either. It doesn’t work when it matters. It seems behind the scenes, they decided to put the ball in his hands over Tyus after the losing streak. Which is so stupid and reactionary. He kind of deserves the demotion for throwing up lobs to these centers but if they can get a real center on the roster I think they should go back to him & leave this Point Book mess alone.

I'm not dying to see Point Book either but our offense hasn't been good this season. Despite lower TO's, more 3PT shooting and a relatively healthy big 3 compared to last season; all things we were hoping for this season, we're more or less about the same as last season. The major regression is on the defensive end and that's despite adding one of the better perimeter defenders in the league in Dunn.
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Post#190 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:40 pm

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Post#191 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:34 am

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I wonder what the cost might be?.......................
Never mind! Accordingly to Stefan Bondy from the New York Post:

"It’s unclear what the Knicks can retrieve for Sims, but a source said a second-round pick was one ask." The 26-year-old has garnered some interest around the NBA.


Maybe we should add him to our consideration list. He is young, strong, physical, athletic at 6'10 with a 7'3 wingspan and a 44 inch vertical! He's said to have strong Tim protection abilities and some solid switch ability.
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Post#192 » by BobbieL » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:52 am

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Good article

I would trade Booker too and Jones and Nurkic and Allen and Oneale
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#193 » by garrick » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:52 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I've mentioned these considerations from the vet minimum /unsigned pool as players that we should strongly consider, as we're currently more beggars than choosers in our current situation, devoid of any legitimate draft assets or cap space. So then, how do we find solutions for our roster deficiencies under these incredibly restrictive conditions as a 2nd apron team?

We'll the one avenue that we're not at all restricted by is the vet minimum options we might add to our roster as they don't count against our cap. Additionally, for those years that we don't even have a draft pick to utilize, we would do ourselves a disservice by not at the very least exploring some of these young players that still have impressive skillsets and untapped upside. BOTH as potential assets to be showcased as well as potential key contributors based on their untapped upside and individual skill sets. In our current predicament, we owe it to ourselves to explore the possibilities of how these unsigned players could offer a low-risk/high-reward contribution to our team. And very possibly transform into more additional valued trade assets that we could utilize at minimal cost.

Vet minimum free agency unsigned options

1- Mike Muscala.
A 6'11 240 lb power forward/center who is a career 37% 3 PT shooter. I believe that he could flourish as a versatile, gritty floor spacing big in our system and could be a Brook Lopez type project (sans rim protection) under Budenholzer.


2- Olivier Sarr.
A 7 foot 237 lb Young athletic versatile forward/center (the 25 yr old older brother of recent Wizards lottery pick Alex Sarr who possesses many similar attributes/ talents. Is a crafty passer, good ballhandler, high-end athlete/ rim runner/shot-blocker who also just happens to shoot 37% from three! He's high motor and physical too. He'd be great interchangeably with Ighodaro due to his floor spacing and weakside shot blocking! His per 36 numbers are really impressive: 12 points/ 13 rebounds/ 2.6 blocks. 66TS%.


3- Markelle Fultz.


A very talented young, athletic, strong 6'5 guard who still possesses immense upside and lead guard potential. That'd be a great value swing for us getting a former lottery pick guard for the vet minimum. And if he shows out, then he might return a solid asset like a first or a couple of 2nds. And he'd be a solid low-cost stopgap until we could get Lonzo Ball somehow hopefully.


4- Terquavion Smith.
A young, very quick, athletic, high motor 6'4 shooting guard who's a streaky shooter but still a 37% 3 PT shooter for his career. Smith is a really good long-range shooter with deep range and a quick release. He's disruptive on defense getting steals and deflections sometimes but is primarily a gunner similar to Bons Hyland/ or a skinnier Jordan Clarkson microwave scorer.


5- Ibou Dianko Badji.
A very long 7'1 240 lb center with a 7'8 wingspan and a high motor. Badji although still very young at only 22 years old has incredible defensive upside because he's incredibly long, athletic, and fast/ switchable for his size! He just needs time and reps to adjust and grow to the NBA game/ speed. But his size, length, athleticism, and footspeed/ability to cover ground and recover are elite. H's a very low-risk immense upside rim running shot blocking specialist center. He's also got a very smooth developing mid-range jumper!
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Sarr is huge!


Yep! And he moves really well, plays above the rim/ rotates/ recovers really well to block shots, and hits the three at a 37% clip with could open up the floor for us more too. That's incredible value for a vet min player. And we really have to take more swings on potential and upside because we just don't have the assets or cap space to get any known commodities currently.

This would be a very clever pivot consideration for us to find low cost contributors and potential escalating value trade assets to replenish what we give up in the Richards trade.


Some of these guys definitely should be G league signings or end of the bench players.

We don't need Gillespie, Tyty Washington and D.Lee on this squad so we might as well develop some bigs?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#194 » by bigfoot » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:04 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Also:
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I wonder what the cost might be?.......................
Never mind! Accordingly to Stefan Bondy from the New York Post:

"It’s unclear what the Knicks can retrieve for Sims, but a source said a second-round pick was one ask." The 26-year-old has garnered some interest around the NBA.


Maybe we should add him to our consideration list. He is young, strong, physical, athletic at 6'10 with a 7'3 wingspan and a 44 inch vertical! He's said to have strong Tim protection abilities and some solid switch ability.


Definitely could have used him during the Spurs/Duncan era
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#195 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:05 am

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Not sure if this has been shared here yet??

Good read and I broadly agree with the points

I'm not proactively advocating moving KD, but in terms of big moves, I'd rather move KD before trading for Jimmy
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Post#196 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am

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I'd like this version better anyways IF Charlotte doesn't want to take back Nurkics' contract (as long as it's only Okogie and one 2nd). Okogie/ 2 2nds for Richards and Seth Curry or Nik Smith Jr. This way, Wee can just trade Jones (quickly) to Orlando or OKC for a late 1st or multiple 2nds and then attach that to Nurkic in a trade to Washington for Valuncias and Davis (dollar for dollar match)!!

Getting BOTH Richards AND Valuncias would give us two different center options to work within the playoffs. An athletic rim runner/shot-blocker- Richards. And a big burly, strong, physical center with better finishing in Valuncias. We'd need that kind of versatility for specific matchups as things slow down and get more physical in the playoffs! And Curry or Smith Jr could provide more 3-point shooting off the bench for us :D
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#197 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:13 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I've mentioned these considerations from the vet minimum /unsigned pool as players that we should strongly consider, as we're currently more beggars than choosers in our current situation, devoid of any legitimate draft assets or cap space. So then, how do we find solutions for our roster deficiencies under these incredibly restrictive conditions as a 2nd apron team?

We'll the one avenue that we're not at all restricted by is the vet minimum options we might add to our roster as they don't count against our cap. Additionally, for those years that we don't even have a draft pick to utilize, we would do ourselves a disservice by not at the very least exploring some of these young players that still have impressive skillsets and untapped upside. BOTH as potential assets to be showcased as well as potential key contributors based on their untapped upside and individual skill sets. In our current predicament, we owe it to ourselves to explore the possibilities of how these unsigned players could offer a low-risk/high-reward contribution to our team. And very possibly transform into more additional valued trade assets that we could utilize at minimal cost.

Vet minimum free agency unsigned options

1- Mike Muscala.
A 6'11 240 lb power forward/center who is a career 37% 3 PT shooter. I believe that he could flourish as a versatile, gritty floor spacing big in our system and could be a Brook Lopez type project (sans rim protection) under Budenholzer.


2- Olivier Sarr.
A 7 foot 237 lb Young athletic versatile forward/center (the 25 yr old older brother of recent Wizards lottery pick Alex Sarr who possesses many similar attributes/ talents. Is a crafty passer, good ballhandler, high-end athlete/ rim runner/shot-blocker who also just happens to shoot 37% from three! He's high motor and physical too. He'd be great interchangeably with Ighodaro due to his floor spacing and weakside shot blocking! His per 36 numbers are really impressive: 12 points/ 13 rebounds/ 2.6 blocks. 66TS%.


3- Markelle Fultz.
A very talented young, athletic, strong 6'5 guard who still possesses immense upside and lead guard potential. That'd be a great value swing for us getting a former lottery pick guard for the vet minimum. And if he shows out, then he might return a solid asset like a first or a couple of 2nds. And he'd be a solid low-cost stopgap until we could get Lonzo Ball somehow hopefully.


4- Terquavion Smith.
A young, very quick, athletic, high motor 6'4 shooting guard who's a streaky shooter but still a 37% 3 PT shooter for his career. Smith is a really good long-range shooter with deep range and a quick release. He's disruptive on defense getting steals and deflections sometimes but is primarily a gunner similar to Bons Hyland/ or a skinnier Jordan Clarkson microwave scorer.


5- Ibou Dianko Badji.
A very long 7'1 240 lb center with a 7'8 wingspan and a high motor. Badji although still very young at only 22 years old has incredible defensive upside because he's incredibly long, athletic, and fast/ switchable for his size! He just needs time and reps to adjust and grow to the NBA game/ speed. But his size, length, athleticism, and footspeed/ability to cover ground and recover are elite. H's a very low-risk immense upside rim running shot blocking specialist center. He's also got a very smooth developing mid-range jumper!
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(Defense- blocks)
Spoiler:
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1. Muscala retired
2. Intriguing but he's on a 2-way with the Thunder and I wouldn't give up anything for him right now
3. Damaged goods. Can't shoot, not healthy and not worth taking a gamble on
4. I don't think we need him. We're already bringing Beal off the bench as that scorer
5. Honestly, never heard of the guy so I can't comment.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#198 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:49 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I've mentioned these considerations from the vet minimum /unsigned pool as players that we should strongly consider, as we're currently more beggars than choosers in our current situation, devoid of any legitimate draft assets or cap space. So then, how do we find solutions for our roster deficiencies under these incredibly restrictive conditions as a 2nd apron team?

We'll the one avenue that we're not at all restricted by is the vet minimum options we might add to our roster as they don't count against our cap. Additionally, for those years that we don't even have a draft pick to utilize, we would do ourselves a disservice by not at the very least exploring some of these young players that still have impressive skillsets and untapped upside. BOTH as potential assets to be showcased as well as potential key contributors based on their untapped upside and individual skill sets. In our current predicament, we owe it to ourselves to explore the possibilities of how these unsigned players could offer a low-risk/high-reward contribution to our team. And very possibly transform into more additional valued trade assets that we could utilize at minimal cost.

Vet minimum free agency unsigned options

1- Mike Muscala.
A 6'11 240 lb power forward/center who is a career 37% 3 PT shooter. I believe that he could flourish as a versatile, gritty floor spacing big in our system and could be a Brook Lopez type project (sans rim protection) under Budenholzer.


2- Olivier Sarr.
A 7 foot 237 lb Young athletic versatile forward/center (the 25 yr old older brother of recent Wizards lottery pick Alex Sarr who possesses many similar attributes/ talents. Is a crafty passer, good ballhandler, high-end athlete/ rim runner/shot-blocker who also just happens to shoot 37% from three! He's high motor and physical too. He'd be great interchangeably with Ighodaro due to his floor spacing and weakside shot blocking! His per 36 numbers are really impressive: 12 points/ 13 rebounds/ 2.6 blocks. 66TS%.


3- Markelle Fultz.
A very talented young, athletic, strong 6'5 guard who still possesses immense upside and lead guard potential. That'd be a great value swing for us getting a former lottery pick guard for the vet minimum. And if he shows out, then he might return a solid asset like a first or a couple of 2nds. And he'd be a solid low-cost stopgap until we could get Lonzo Ball somehow hopefully.


4- Terquavion Smith.
A young, very quick, athletic, high motor 6'4 shooting guard who's a streaky shooter but still a 37% 3 PT shooter for his career. Smith is a really good long-range shooter with deep range and a quick release. He's disruptive on defense getting steals and deflections sometimes but is primarily a gunner similar to Bons Hyland/ or a skinnier Jordan Clarkson microwave scorer.


5- Ibou Dianko Badji.
A very long 7'1 240 lb center with a 7'8 wingspan and a high motor. Badji although still very young at only 22 years old has incredible defensive upside because he's incredibly long, athletic, and fast/ switchable for his size! He just needs time and reps to adjust and grow to the NBA game/ speed. But his size, length, athleticism, and footspeed/ability to cover ground and recover are elite. H's a very low-risk immense upside rim running shot blocking specialist center. He's also got a very smooth developing mid-range jumper!
( Offense)

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1. Muscala retired
2. Intriguing but he's on a 2-way with the Thunder and I wouldn't give up anything for him right now
3. Damaged goods. Can't shoot, not healthy and not worth taking a gamble on
4. I don't think we need him. We're already bringing Beal off the bench as that scorer
5. Honestly, never heard of the guy so I can't comment.


1- If Muscala retired, then the 2nd and 3rd option become Bertans (2nd) and Gallinari (3rd). Providing floor spacing from the frontcourt would be a bonus to compliment Oso in the paint, as well as Plumlee if he stays. But I'd look to move him for a 2nd somewhere if possible.

2- He's very intriguing for the reasons I've shared. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74604/olivier-sarr It's very frustrating that some of these sites don't have updated or accurate info. But if true that he's on a two-way deal, Then I'd see if we could just swap Bol for him or even Plumlee with one of their thousand 2nds coming back. But if you're familiar with him then you know h'd be an upgrade from Plumlee for his size, versatility, shot-blocking, and actual ability to hit threes and space the floor for a 7 footer which again could really compliment Osos' game by spacing the floor.

3- He is injured, but he's still a very steady lead-level guard who is strong, can pass, and gets to the rim really well. I'm not as worried about his shooting because he'd (in theory be coming off the bench with Beal, O'neale, or whatever 3 PT shooting 3 & D forward we could get/sign. And the floor would be wide open for him to get to the rim and score or pass it out as the defense collapses. Again, this is still very solid to great value if getting him on a vet min. I get not giving up one of our last assets for Sarr (if on a two-way). But he could then just as easily be a throw-in if we look to trade Tyus to OKC for one of their 6 25' firsts they'll have or some of their thousand or so 2nd round picks??? Again, these are merely considerations for our front office to pursue or keep tabs on in a potential low-end deal.

4- Terq Smith would be our 3rd rotation SG to replace D Lee if we can move him for something (hopefully a 2nd or protected future 2nd). He's young, quick with deep deep range, no conscience, and a very quick release. He'd be an upgrade from D Lee for us as yet another microwave scorer whenever Beal sits. That way we have a relentless wave of potent scoring to throw at the opposition. You can never have too many shooters/scorers after all. :wink:

5- He's just a basic high motor, very big (7'1), very long, quick mobile athletic shot-blocking big with an absurd 7'8 wingspan and a very raw but developing faceup game. And he's got elite shot-blocking potential due to his size. Think of him like a lankier, quicker MO Bamba. But with less 3-point shooting in favor of better shot blocking and very good offensive rebounding.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#199 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:54 am

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Good article

I would trade Booker too and Jones and Nurkic and Allen and Oneale


Me too! I strongly believe that we're just delaying the inevitable of a horrendous rebuild. But it becomes more horrendous through asset depreciation by trying to hold onto KD and Booker too long, and also further compounding this issue by trying to trade for an aging Jimmy Butler and giving up all we have left to overpay (yet again)!!! for name recognition over functional substance. :wink:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#200 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:55 am

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Good read and I broadly agree with the points

I'm not proactively advocating moving KD, but in terms of big moves, I'd rather move KD before trading for Jimmy


I emphatically agree! :nod:
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