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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#181 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:12 am

Qwigglez wrote:Just wondering where the Suns got the money to sign Wade?


2010-
Nash -10mill
Wade -20mill
Hill - 3mill
STAT - 20mill
Dalembert - 10mill
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63mill

hell fill the bench with D-leaguers, that starting 5 rocks! And if Saver was willing to pay 75+mill for the past 5 seasons and NOT win a title, Sarver would definitely pay the tax for a Nash/Wade/Stat core.

Qwigglez wrote:And wondering why if we had Wade, trade Stat in 2012 as opposed to keeping him?


Because that seems like a Kerr type of thing to do, not to mention the world is going to be ending in December of that year anyways.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#182 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:30 am

We have a solid squad but we're all assuming Amare will go back to old form, his knees are a question mark along with his eye and not playing an NBA game for 8-9 months when the season starts next year. Maybe the rest will be good for him since he'll lead our team in mpg next season. The furthest we can go is the 2nd round imo, which means we have to be a 4 or 5 seed to aviod Dal, L.A. and S.A. in the first round. Assuming Amare is back to old form in AG's system he should tear it up, we all know what we get w/ Nash, J-Rich, G Hill, LB, Duds and RL.
The only way we make it to 4 or 5 in the west is if Earl Clark is a monster matchup problem for some teams and tears it up, also Dragic needs to produce w/ Nash getting older and playing less minutes. Channing Frye also needs to score since Amare will get double-teamed. But who knows if this team will be the same after the trade-deadline. Portland, Denver and maybe NO are better than us but we somehow need to end up w/ better records than them to have a shot at the 2nd round....
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#183 » by pidi » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:12 am

mh, i didn´t read every post - but i think we are looking solid right now.
the only missing piece is a decent center. before we pay dalambert alot of money we shold think of resigning stromile swift. if he can get his feet back he could do everything samuel is doing. i´m not that high for samuel.
nash / dragic
j-rich / barbosa
ghill / duds / clark
ama´re / lue / duds
frye / stro / lopez

i would love to see ama´re and stro on court. ama´re is sapcing and stro under the basket - only porblem i see that there is no defense.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#184 » by MILFSTA » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:26 am

lmao now knicks fans real mad about hill not signed to them and wish him death what a bunch of clowns
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#185 » by -SDU- » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:35 pm

The comments from knicks fans are an absolute disgrace
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#186 » by BobbieL » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:19 pm

ray ray wrote:We need Wilcox and Aaron Afflalo!

Since the Piston are ready to give up Afflalo for basically nothing becouse of all the guards in front of him. I posted a trade scenerio involving the Suns and Pistons in their forum.

Suns trade:
Alando Tucker ( has a non gurantee contract if he's waived before October)
Cavs 2010 2nd pick

Pistons trade:
Aaron Afflalo

This kid reminds me so much of Raja Bell.

Then you waive Ben Wallace (8 millions of saving) and waive Sasha Pavlovic (saves 6 mil) a total savings of 14 mil!! After that's completed you go after Chris Wilcox.

Suns projected lineups:
Nash/Goran
Richardson/Barbosa/Afflalo
Hill/Dudley/Clark
Amare/Frye/Lou
Wilcox/Lopes/Frye

That's a good, unexpensive and under luxury tax basketball team.

Then you hope that Richardson
play brings his value up in order so we can trade him before the deadline. I truly believe that JRich is going to play much better since Shaq is no longer is clogging up the lane...



I am not sure the team will still go after Wilcox with Frye - but they should. But I totally agree with you about Affalo for Tucker. Tucker is not going to play on this roster - but Afflalo could bring something to help the team. Good idea -
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#187 » by Cash » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:41 pm

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well, well, well! It's a happy day to be a Suns fan! I must say, this puts a bit of a dent in the old "$arver is a cheapskate" bromide we're all so fond of using. Upping Hill's offer to $3mil is not a cheap move. And this is confirmation that Suns are not rebuilding, and are certainly not blowing it up this offseason. Excellent! I like the fact that we're keeping the team intact, and that it's a team we know. Now, we may not be good enough to contend (who on the roster can actually play D?), but I think we're around a 50-win team, and guess what? Watching 50 up-tempo wins in 82 games is a lot of fun!

Sometimes we focus too much on winning it all and forget that the Finals are only a tiny part of the season. Obviously winning a championship would be the best, but we have to keep in mind that it's a 6 month regular season, and we have to root for this team for all that time, whether they make the playoffs or not. With Gentry coaching, Nash/Barbosa/Hill/Amare on board, this should be a very enjoyable team to watch on a nightly basis.

As for the specific moves, Frye is a nice depth signing. It's always a bad sign when a guy's career highs all came in his rookie year, so expecting anything more than a 4th big would be a mistake. But he's a legitimate NBA player, and that's better than I thought we'd have in that spot. Plus, he's a fun guy (google "bubble gut monster") and a good locker-room guy, and I always like having those dudes around. We lost so much when we lost Eddie House. I don't think Frye can fully replace that emotional role, but it's a start.

Hill coming back is nice. I would have been fine with him leaving, but he's a class act, a good player, and a guy you definitely want to root for. Nash's extension is definitely too much money and it may be 1 year too long, but Kidd unfortunately set the market for ancient point guards, and with what Nash means to this team, it's probably worth that extra year just so he'll retire a Sun. Can't we have one of our great players retire a Sun for once?

Overall, I'd say Kerr's talking point of "flexibility" is more than just lip service. The contracts the Suns just gave out (counting Nash's, which hasn't been signed yet) make it look like the Suns are NOT trying to clear all-out cap space in 2010 or any other year. Which is a good thing! Even with the shrinking cap, too many teams will have all-out cap space in 2010. There's only a few elite free agents. The cap spacers who miss out on LeBro/Wade/Bosh are going to be doing things like giving max money to Carlos Boozer. I'd much rather have a mix of good players and expiring deals that can be used in trades, and not be forced to throw money at someone. Look at Detroit this year. They threw like $100 million at Ben Gordon and Chaz Villanueva. Ugh. I still remember the Longley/Googs signings that completely crippled us for years, and I really don't want a repeat of that.

The big thing left is Amare. From his agent's recent comments, it sounds like he (the agent) understands that no one will trade for or sign Amare until he proves he's healthy. Which is good. Hopefully he comes back with a vengeance in a contract year.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#188 » by Never Fear 33 Is Here » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:46 pm

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I understood what he meant. :wink:
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#189 » by Cash » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:54 pm

So let's see, the roster currently is:

1. Nash
2. Drago
3. J-Rich
4. Barbosa
5. Tucker
6. Hill
7. Dudley
8. Clark
9. Amare
10. Bikin' Lou Amundsen
11. Fropez
12. Frye

That leaves one roster spot, which presumably will be Taylor Griffin. I strongly doubt the Suns carry more than the minimum # of players. I like that team, but I'd like it more if J-Rich was traded for some defensive help, either on the perimeter or down low.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#190 » by justinb80 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:15 pm

I have a feeling that Kerr will be spending the remainder of the summer trying to trade Jason Richardson.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#191 » by ray ray » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:23 pm

Go get Aaron Afflalo!!! Come on, he easily is better than Tucker and Tylor Griffin.

Get r done Kerr!
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#192 » by justinb80 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:33 pm

I think Frye's problem the past couple seasons is that he's been stuck on a team with a potential All-Star at power forward (Aldridge) and two solid center options (Pryzbilla and Oden), so his playing time has just disappeared. I'm hoping the Suns will put him in the starting line-up. He's the starters that seem realistic:

Nash (G)
Richardson (SG)
Hill (SF)
Frye (PF)
Stoudemire (C)

Or switch Stoudemire and Frye's positions. I'd love for the starting line-up to actually look like this:

Nash (G)
Barbosa (SG)
Hill (SF)
Clark (PF)
Stoudemire (C)

and for a second unit of:

Dragic (G)
Richardson (SG)
Dudley (SF)
Frye (PF)
Lopez (C)

I think it'd be a great thing to get Clark in the starting lineup and just play big minutes, so he can actually develop into a confident player from the get-go. Also, Barbosa deserves to start. Richardson would be able to be "the man" on the second unit, although objectively, the idea of paying a 6th man $13m/year is not great.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#193 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:10 pm

I think we should give Richardson a chance. He could easily score 20 points per game especially in the SSOL system.
I want to see the Suns run a lineup like this:
Nash
Barbosa
Richardson
Hill
Amare

I see them running that in the start of the third quarter. I remember when the games used to be close in the first half, then the third quarter roles around and the Suns blew them out. They simply, couldn't keep up, and the lineup above should do just that.
Plus, Hill would serve more of a Shawn Marion type. He doesn't have that pogo-stick bounce that Marion has, but offensively he'd be more of a weapon.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#194 » by justinb80 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:23 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I think we should give Richardson a chance. He could easily score 20 points per game especially in the SSOL system.
I want to see the Suns run a lineup like this:
Nash
Barbosa
Richardson
Hill
Amare

I see them running that in the start of the third quarter. I remember when the games used to be close in the first half, then the third quarter roles around and the Suns blew them out. They simply, couldn't keep up, and the lineup above should do just that.
Plus, Hill would serve more of a Shawn Marion type. He doesn't have that pogo-stick bounce that Marion has, but offensively he'd be more of a weapon.


You need SOMEONE to anchor the second unit. Our backup squad would have absolutely no firepower with this being the starting lineup.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#195 » by Go7enKs » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:24 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I think we should give Richardson a chance. He could easily score 20 points per game especially in the SSOL system.
I want to see the Suns run a lineup like this:
Nash
Barbosa
Richardson
Hill
Amare

I see them running that in the start of the third quarter. I remember when the games used to be close in the first half, then the third quarter roles around and the Suns blew them out. They simply, couldn't keep up, and the lineup above should do just that.
Plus, Hill would serve more of a Shawn Marion type. He doesn't have that pogo-stick bounce that Marion has, but offensively he'd be more of a weapon.

Hill can't play the 4. No way. You would ask him too much on the defensive side. And that starting 5 could be outrebounded by me and you, both limping and drunk as hell.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#196 » by justinb80 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:37 pm

Sorry, I misread ... you wanted that lineup to start the third quarter. I still prefer a more balanced lineup consisting of a couple of role players in addition to heavy hitters.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#197 » by rsavaj » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:41 pm

godofsuns wrote:the west is still very weak its only top heavy now.

i know the suns are no where near what we where.

nash is still nash, nash has not lost a step it may have seemed like it under porter, but it looked like everyone lost a step under porter, when gentry took over we look great, i know it was wins agianst the clippers but still.

nash will be nash.

richardson>bell

grant is gonna be a solid player for us like he has been.

amare 09-10 >amare any other season

and frye will be very good.

and we have a much better bench then in recent years. maybe need just one more perimeter defender.

i am not over rating them, but just saying that we all might be underating them...

we were a very good team last year.

we have only lost shaq, but he can be replaced with people who actually fit our style.

the only teams that got better in the west are lakers spurs. every other team has gotten worse.

Denver-lost jones, and may very well lose klieza. two key players on there team.

Utah-maybe better with addition by subtraction. if they they get rid of boozer. but whos to say there a lock to be better then us.

portland is still nothing unless they add a better point.

houston selects john wall with the number one pick...

golden state sucks

hornets- if healthy can be a top 5

mavs. i do not know what all the talk is about them being a contender... they added marion. cool. he is nothing like he used to be. i honestly think we are better then them.

i understand what you're saying, but i disagree with you pretty thoroughly when it comes to our roster.

Nash will be great this season, but he is not the MVP Nash he used to be. He isn't able to finish at the rim as consistently as he used to, and our pick and rolls have lost a little bit of their effectiveness.

Richardson is a better scorer then Bell, but we don't need scoring; we need defense, and Richardson doesn't play any. Richardson+Nash=a terrible defensive backcourt.

Grant will be solid.

We have no idea how Amare will play after his injury.

And Frye will be solid at best, underwhelming at worst imo.

in terms of replacing shaq with people who "fit our style"...Shaq fit our style really, really well. D'Antoni showed that we could run with Shaq and have Amare put up monster numbers. Gentry showed that we could average 120 ppg with Shaq. The reason we moved him wasn't because he didn't "fit our style", but because he cost too much money and we were getting killed on the pick and rolls with Nash and Shaq. it's not going to be any better with Nash and Amare, and now that Shaq's gone, our POST defense is going to suck as well.

The reason those SSOL teams were so great was because we had someone to cover for Amare and Nash's deficiencies...Bell/JJ/Marion covered the perimeter for Nash, Marion/Diaw/KT/Hunter covered the post for Amare. The only guy we have who can do something like that is Hill. That's it!

Like i said, we're going to score a ton of points with this lineup, but thinking that we'll be able to go deep in the playoffs with our defensive efficiencies is something that i don't agree with. Which i'm upset about theoretically, but pragmatically, we're not winning a championship this year, so if they're fun to watch i think i'll be okay.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#198 » by justinb80 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:48 pm

I'm hoping Kerr will diligently try to trade Richardson for a good-to-great perimeter defender.
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#199 » by Go7enKs » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:55 pm

justinb80 wrote:I'm hoping Kerr will diligently try to trade Richardson for a good-to-great perimeter defender.

He's probably already trying...but don't be surprised if he throws a few future unprotected first rounders to make a deal happen. :roll:
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Re: STICKY: Hill stays, Frye signs, Nash very close to extension 

Post#200 » by BobbieL » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:01 pm

Go7enKs wrote:
justinb80 wrote:I'm hoping Kerr will diligently try to trade Richardson for a good-to-great perimeter defender.

He's probably already trying...but don't be surprised if he throws a few future unprotected first rounders to make a deal happen. :roll:



Cannot continue to blame Kerr for the Kurt Thomas deal. Its ridiculous - Kerr did not make that trade. Robert Sarver did. jeez - enough already blaming Kerr for that stupid trade.

If anybody, blame Bryan Colangelo and Mike D'Antoni, especially GM D'Antoni for putting the Suns in a position where the payroll put them that much over the Luxury Tax by trading draft picks and not having rookies on the roster. But again, it was Sarver who sold the picks, it was Sarver who signed all the players - Blame Robert Sarver!!!!!!

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