The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

YouTube · Post #1801 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:51 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:What's the year and protection on that Minnesota pick you guys have?

Top 12 protected in 2015 & 2016. It then turns into a 2nd round pick in 2016.

and a 2017 2nd rounder. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

Correct.

bigfoot · Post #1802 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:59 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.

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Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

You lose a lot of things basing everything off analytics. Mainly you lose the human factor (most important factor). Situations, coaching, players not put into situations that play to their strengths, team chemistry, etc, etc. Steve Nash is a perfect example. Once he was put into the right situation he became an MVP. Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

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Fine I'll ignore the analytics and use the human factor. Monroe a dope smoking, fighting, dog abusing azzwipe. Kieff an upstanding citizen with no problems. Plus Kief has better numbers. Simple answer based on human factor is Kieff > Monroe.

GOGI_4_MVP · Post #1803 » by **GOGI_4_MVP** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:01 am

bigfoot wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

You lose a lot of things basing everything off analytics. Mainly you lose the human factor (most important factor). Situations, coaching, players not put into situations that play to their strengths, team chemistry, etc, etc. Steve Nash is a perfect example. Once he was put into the right situation he became an MVP. Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

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Fine I'll ignore the analytics and use the human factor. Monroe a dope smoking, fighting, dog abusing azzwipe. Kieff an upstanding citizen with no problems. Plus Kief has better numbers. Simple answer based on human factor is Kieff > Monroe.

I think you have Greg Monroe and Larry Sanders mixed up.....

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1804 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:09 am

GOGI_4_MVP wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:You lose a lot of things basing everything off analytics. Mainly you lose the human factor (most important factor). Situations, coaching, players not put into situations that play to their strengths, team chemistry, etc, etc. Steve Nash is a perfect example. Once he was put into the right situation he became an MVP. Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

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Fine I'll ignore the analytics and use the human factor. Monroe a dope smoking, fighting, dog abusing azzwipe. Kieff an upstanding citizen with no problems. Plus Kief has better numbers. Simple answer based on human factor is Kieff > Monroe.

I think you have Greg Monroe and Larry Sanders mixed up.....

Or Michael Vick.

JTrain · Post #1805 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:15 am

YouTube · Post #1806 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:20 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/491087452434874368[/tweet]

GDFTony · Post #1807 » by **GDFTony** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:24 am

JTrain wrote:

He's the gift that keeps on giving

JTrain · Post #1808 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:28 am

Kerrsed wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/491087452434874368[/tweet]

I don't see how this would work. They are both demanding over 12M right? So why overpay Monroe over Bledsoe? Unless Bledsoe really just hates something about the Suns and Monroe would take 12M or less to get out of Detroit.

Post #1809 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:29 am

bigfoot wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

You lose a lot of things basing everything off analytics. Mainly you lose the human factor (most important factor). Situations, coaching, players not put into situations that play to their strengths, team chemistry, etc, etc. Steve Nash is a perfect example. Once he was put into the right situation he became an MVP. Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

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Fine I'll ignore the analytics and use the human factor. Monroe a dope smoking, fighting, dog abusing azzwipe. Kieff an upstanding citizen with no problems. Plus Kief has better numbers. Simple answer based on human factor is Kieff > Monroe.

Funny, I worked with a guy for a little bit who went to KU and he heard some stories about the twins that didn't put them in a good light. This was about three years ago, but their rep around campus wasn't great...though you can't say they've done anything to support that notion. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if many players do the same things people do and get caught for and judgement for the people who get caught may be a little excessive. Personally, I don't smoke pot, but I'm guessing many of the players who haven't gotten caught do. But upstanding citizen is easy to say if you don't have much knowledge about someone.

MotownMadness · Post #1810 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:32 am

I really like what Bledsoe brings to the table on both sides of the ball but his health is a major concern. I would do it because he's a huge upgrade over Jennings and we could just slide Smith too the 4.

Post #1811 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:32 am

JTrain wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/491087452434874368[/tweet]

I don't see how this would work. They are both demanding over 12M right? So why overpay Monroe over Bledsoe? Unless Bledsoe really just hates something about the Suns and Monroe would take 12M or less to get out of Detroit.

It's possible but Alex Kennedy and Steve Kyler are idiots. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. OK, maybe I shouldn't say idiots but Kyler got credentials too fast and got in over his head....he has zero sources and lucked out in getting that website he created backed by USA Today and Kennedy is basically just a blogger who spouts opinions...I wouldn't put more cred on what he says than many people who post here.

Post #1812 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:36 am

MotownMadness wrote:I really like what Bledsoe brings to the table on both sides of the ball but his health is a major concern. I would do it because he's a huge upgrade over Jennings and we could just slide Smith too the 4.

Oh yeah, makes perfect sense for you guys if Bledsoe can stay healthy...even worth the risk anyway considering your frontcourt jam, but for us, Bledsoe is a big part of what we do, and what we really need is a big who can guard the rim and be a great defender and Monroe doesn't really do that. He's a decent rebounder, but isn't real efficient in the post despite taking 95% of his shots there (though we have talked about him being better inside without another big there like Drummond who draws a second defensive defender as well as better passing point guards to set him up).

spanishninja · Post #1813 » by **spanishninja** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:55 am

JTrain wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/491087452434874368[/tweet]

I don't see how this would work. They are both demanding over 12M right? So why overpay Monroe over Bledsoe? Unless Bledsoe really just hates something about the Suns and Monroe would take 12M or less to get out of Detroit.

If I were to overpay Monroe or Bledsoe, I overpay Monroe, simply because quality big men are more of a commodity than point guards these days, and Monroe has been extremely durable in his career so far. Remember a big part of not giving Bledsoe max is his injury risk. Won't have that problem with Monroe.

JTrain · Post #1814 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:11 am

True, but Detroit would have to be willing to overpay for Bledsoe. Seems unlikely.

spanishninja · Post #1815 » by **spanishninja** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:12 am

not necessarily right? do salaries have to match in a double S&T situation?

KaneSFFL · Post #1816 » by **KaneSFFL** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:18 am

I hope we don't go after Monroe! An inefficient big man who can't defend! Much rather have Drummond!

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1817 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:19 am

I'd want something else coming back in addition to Monroe, considering that we could have just signed him outright.

JTrain · Post #1818 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:29 am

spanishninja wrote:not necessarily right? do salaries have to match in a double S&T situation?

No but i mean for him to agree on the deal (which I presume he would have to) it would have to be for over 12M, since he turned down that amount at Phoenix. Unless again he just doesn't like it here and would be willing to take less in Detroit.

JTrain · Post #1819 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:31 am

I'm starting to get confused. Why S&T two RFAs instead of just signing offer sheets and agreeing not to match? Or is that what it would amount to?

JTrain · Post #1820 » by **JTrain** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:44 am

Oh dear. IT threw a fit at a charity basketball game today.

http://ballislife.com/isaiah-thomas-sea ... -am-debut/

After Crawford’s go-ahead attempt hit back-iron , the ball was falling into the hands of Viking’s point guard Isaiah Thomas before an official whistled a shooting foul on Curtis Terry, putting Crawford at the line with a chance for victory. Thomas left the court out of frustration, as it wasn’t the only time the newest member of the Phoenix Suns was frustrated with the officiating. Thomas was whistled for a technical foul in the second half.

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