The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Cactus Jack]

Gambo said on the radio yesterday that the Suns are willing to move the #4 pick but only for a "young star player." They are not willing to take a player and move back a few spots.

Okafor is the closest thing available fitting that description. George and Cousins aren't going anywhere. Butler maybe but it would take an overpay.

Few ideas from the trade board:

--4/13 for Okafor (and the Philly mod said he wouldn't mind including 24 and/or 26). If you could land Okafor + 24 and 26, I think that's a great deal.

Get it done.

[Cactus Jack]

Gambo said on the radio yesterday that the Suns are willing to move the #4 pick but only for a "young star player." They are not willing to take a player and move back a few spots.

Okafor is the closest thing available fitting that description. George and Cousins aren't going anywhere. Butler maybe but it would take an overpay.

Few ideas from the trade board:

--4/13 for Okafor (and the Philly mod said he wouldn't mind including 24 and/or 26). If you could land Okafor + 24 and 26, I think that's a great deal.

--4/Knight for Okafor straight up.

I think #4 and Knight for Okafor is too much. That is not because I value Knight so highly. I am not that high on Okafor. I would do Knight and #13 for Okafor. Okafor still has bust potential. His rim protection and D are horrible for a center in today's nba.

He's not a center imo. Would love to get him though. 4+13 is totally worth it from my pov.

[dremill24]

Okafor is the closest thing available fitting that description. George and Cousins aren't going anywhere. Butler maybe but it would take an overpay.

Few ideas from the trade board:

--4/13 for Okafor (and the Philly mod said he wouldn't mind including 24 and/or 26). If you could land Okafor + 24 and 26, I think that's a great deal.

--4/Knight for Okafor straight up.

I think #4 and Knight for Okafor is too much. That is not because I value Knight so highly. I am not that high on Okafor. I would do Knight and #13 for Okafor. Okafor still has bust potential. His rim protection and D are horrible for a center in today's nba.

He's not a center imo. Would love to get him though. 4+13 is totally worth it from my pov.

You can call him whatever you want he still can't hedge a PnR or block a shot

[Qwigglez]

With Noah saying he doesn't trust the front office (Bulls) maybe Jimmy Butler will demand a trade saying he doesn't trust the front office too. That might force them to trade him ASAP and getting the No 4 is a good starting package.
The Bled But Book will be a good nucleus to build around.

[thamadkant]

Trading Booker will not make us a better team. Also I do not know where this idea of getting Davis or Towns comes from?

Perimeter guys are more decisive than post players. Booker is as good a SG as Davis or Towns are good PFs. What has Davis got for his Pelicans since he is in the league? Yes, he is an incredible statistical player that many times has to get his own shots, but he is not making any of his collegues around better, neither is he making his team get a better W-L mark.

The way of getting a best team does not go through a Booker trade. We have other assets that could be enticing for other teams.

I would not move Chandler unless he asks for that. We need his veteran leadership for the group and his presence inside the paint.

Going after Horford, Batum and Barnes seem good ideas, although we should try to get a good SF by trading Knight and one or two of our picks. Also trading one or two of our future picks will not hurt much, as we have plenty of young guys here already: Bogdanovic, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Len...

Bledsoe
Booker
XXX (for Knight and #4 and next year's pick)
Horford
Len
-----------
XXX (FA)
Goodwin
Bogdanovic
Warren
Tucker
Teletovic
Maker
Chandler

That seems like a good roster to me.

I would trade the entire Suns team for Anthony Davis yesterday.... Towns too.



Towns >> Booker
Davis = Towns IMO

Would take Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaq over any star today.... And many will too.... Hence why I absolutely want to see Warriors go down.... small ball is always going to be exposed against teams with good balance of talent and size...

[saintEscaton]

Okafor is the closest thing available fitting that description. George and Cousins aren't going anywhere. Butler maybe but it would take an overpay.

Few ideas from the trade board:

--4/13 for Okafor (and the Philly mod said he wouldn't mind including 24 and/or 26). If you could land Okafor + 24 and 26, I think that's a great deal.

--4/Knight for Okafor straight up.

I think #4 and Knight for Okafor is too much. That is not because I value Knight so highly. I am not that high on Okafor. I would do Knight and #13 for Okafor. Okafor still has bust potential. His rim protection and D are horrible for a center in today's nba.

He's not a center imo. Would love to get him though. 4+13 is totally worth it from my pov.

Jah literally has no bust potential due to his polish worst case he is a 20+ PPG scorer on cloe to 60% true shooting, he has the highest floor out of anyone in the 2013 class. He will end up somewhere between Brook Lopez and Boogie. Rim protection is more than just getting helpside blocks, he can body up one on one and alter shots, holding opponent's FG% with 10 ft to -5.6% less than seasonn average, thats better than DeAndre Jordan . Philly's Dleague midget guards couldn't contain dribble pentration and Jah was in foul toruble every game, Noel rgeressed and their DRtg went from middle of pack last season to the bottom.The problem is finding a Stretch 4 with the defensive versatility to make up for his deficiencies against the PnR/hedging the ball screener

[Kerrsed]

#13/Knight/Len to Philly for Okafor/Noel --They get their PG, a lotto pick, and Embiid insurance.
#4/Noel/Goodwin to Chicago for Butler -- They get their C to replace Gasol/Noah, a SG with the #4 pick, and Goodwin.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/?????/Okafor

[Cactus Jack]

#13/Knight/Len to Philly for Okafor/Noel --They get their PG, a lotto pick, and Embiid insurance.
#4/Noel/Goodwin to Chicago for Butler -- They get their C to replace Gasol/Noah, a SG with the #4 pick, and Goodwin.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/?????/Okafor

If only it were that simple. Philly wouldn't part with Okafor w/out getting back #4. Rumor is they want Dunn. Boston can offer up 3. Game over.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've mocked this draft several different ways. One possibility that has occurred to me is Poeltl or Brown slipping to us at #13. If it were Poeltl, I'd imagine we'd trade that pick. One player I'd be interested in picking up in trade is Joneas Jerebko.

I had to stop mocking the draft, because it seems so obvous that there will be a lot of draft day trades. So you don't really know who's picking where.

As far as Okafor goes, I'd consider a three way deal where the principals are #4 to Philly, Okafor to Chicago, and Butler to the Suns. I'm not interested in Okafor, and I'm not interested in an overpay. Another deal I'd consider is #13 and Knight for Jerebko, #23 and Bradley, with Knight going to a third team (and maybe some of the spoils going to Chicago if we traded for Butler, which I'm honestly not that keeen on). At #28 and #23, we pick up a couple projects like Xi and Diallo or Ouaku or Zizic or Zimmerman, or maybe Brice Johnson, or maybe one of the project guards. Plenty of prospects late in the draft.

Bledsoe/Bradley/Price
Booker/Bogdanovic/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker/
Jerebko/Mirza
Len/Chandler

+#4, #23/#28

Tl;dr - we almost certainly won't draft #4 and #13, despite what McD says, and we should target defense-oriented players in trade

[letsgosuns]

Of the free agents the Suns are rumored to like, I would only go after Nicolas Batum. I have never been a big fan of his but he is a much better player than Tucker. It is not even close. He is entering the prime of his career at age 27. The Suns would probably have to overpay but ultimately, the team needs better players. You have to start somewhere.

[saintEscaton]

I'm vehemently opposed to signing stop gap players who don't move the needle, but maybe shelving more dough will exponentiate the backlash when we miss out on the playoffs again. Ideally I would let both Telly/Leur walk and just draft a couple rookie PFs and let them have at it. We need to be a early lotto team next year, can't count on another implosion

[Walt_Uoob]

Of the free agents the Suns are rumored to like, I would only go after Nicolas Batum. I have never been a big fan of his but he is a much better player than Tucker. It is not even close. He is entering the prime of his career at age 27. The Suns would probably have to overpay but ultimately, the team needs better players. You have to start somewhere.

Yeah I love his versatility. He could play PF in some small lineups, handle the ball from SF in some lineups so the offense isn't totally in Knight's hands when Bled is resting, and shift up to SG next to Bledsoe in bigger defense-oriented lineups.

But I wonder what he's looking for in a team. If he prefers being more of a SG like he was a lot this year, he probably doesn't want to sign here where we'd want him to play quite a bit of PF.

[Cactus Jack]

Of the free agents the Suns are rumored to like, I would only go after Nicolas Batum. I have never been a big fan of his but he is a much better player than Tucker. It is not even close. He is entering the prime of his career at age 27. The Suns would probably have to overpay but ultimately, the team needs better players. You have to start somewhere.

He really would be a good get. What type of money is he going to demand?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Of the free agents the Suns are rumored to like, I would only go after Nicolas Batum. I have never been a big fan of his but he is a much better player than Tucker. It is not even close. He is entering the prime of his career at age 27. The Suns would probably have to overpay but ultimately, the team needs better players. You have to start somewhere.

He really would be a good get. What type of money is he going to demand?

All the money. He's gonna get a max this summer. Theres way more money to be spent than players to spend on so expect to be floored by the contracts you see come July.

[saintEscaton]

Okafor better than Bender? Only because Bender hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Okafor would go #1 in this draft quite easily. Bender's ceiling is #3 in a weak draft.

If he was a rookie, with the same hype he had as a rookie, he could go #1. If he re-entered the draft right now, with everything that is known about him right now, I don't think so. His D is horrible, same with his character and off-the-court issues.

To me, he is Armen Gilliam. Stat padder in meaningless play with no D.

You should actually watch him. Jahlil is arguably better as arookie than Armen ever was

[sunsbum]

Batum would litrallly move our needle 0. If you like the inconsistency of boris diaw by all means.

[saintEscaton]

Batum would litrallly move our needle 0. If you like the inconsistency of boris diaw by all means.

Wow we really are echoing each other

[thamadkant]

Batum is good but not for Max money, he'll handicap the suns and still be a non playoff team. But as a 3rd or 4th option.... he will be handy, but Suns are still looking for option 1 to 3.

[Cactus Jack]

Of the free agents the Suns are rumored to like, I would only go after Nicolas Batum. I have never been a big fan of his but he is a much better player than Tucker. It is not even close. He is entering the prime of his career at age 27. The Suns would probably have to overpay but ultimately, the team needs better players. You have to start somewhere.

He really would be a good get. What type of money is he going to demand?

All the money. He's gonna get a max this summer. Theres way more money to be spent than players to spend on so expect to be floored by the contracts you see come July.

What are we talking? North of 20/y? With the cap going up.

[sunsbum]

Batum would litrallly move our needle 0. If you like the inconsistency of boris diaw by all means.

Wow we really are echoing each other

I watched a ton of him in portland and although he was a fan favorite there was really no love lost when he left. Just draft Valentine if youre that desperate for a swiss army knife and save the 100m dollars.

Honestly I am terrified with what I hear coming out of the front office. If they make good on any of the FA moves I've heard them talking about I'm gunna puke.