2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick!

[BobbieL]

Gambo said the Suns are looking at three players "he thinks"

White
Culver
GArland


So pretty much went by mock drafts and the Suns need for a PG....

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Yeah the wingspan is bad but holy crap he weighs just 208 lbs? And he’s a big man?

A lot of PGs in the NBA weigh more than that.

Yeah this kid might end up being really good but he’s definitely a 4-5 yr project. And the Suns don’t have that kind of time.

The problem is that he will be 23 years old before the start of the season, he is not a teenager that needs to bulk or anything like that.

Basically if you take Clarke you're betting he's going to be a outlier from a physical perspective as an NBA big. It's not impossible he can survive at that size but he would be a rarity. Now when you factor in that his jumper is a huge question mark and his age it's a hell of a risky pick early.

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[Crives]

Gambo said the Suns are looking at three players "he thinks"

White
Culver
GArland


So pretty much went by mock drafts and the Suns need for a PG....

I’m thinking it’s going to be Hunter/Garland/Culver at 4-6, and Chicago taking white at 7.

So we will get who’s left, it’s going to come down to who Lakers pick, I bet Cleveland takes either Hunter or culver depending who’s available.

[BobbieL]

Gambo said the Suns are looking at three players "he thinks"

White
Culver
GArland


So pretty much went by mock drafts and the Suns need for a PG....

I’m thinking it’s going to be Hunter/Garland/Culver at 4-6, and Chicago taking white at 7.

So we will get who’s left, it’s going to come down to who Lakers pick, I bet Cleveland takes either Hunter or culver depending who’s available.

I think the pick is getting traded - either trade back or out of the pick altogether. On the surface, the trade might not seem like good "value" but the end result will be more flexibility with cap space with which to improve the roster.

So, trading of draft pick and maybe Josh - frees up $X more in cap space which is spent on Player X. So on draft night, will be a letdown but than post 7/1, will see the totality of the plan.

[bwgood77]

Why would Ernst & Young want to be involved in that?

They wouldn't. They had like $35 billion in revenue last year and the NBA had like $4 billion. Plus many of the biggest companies in the world and their investors rely on E&Ys and all the big 4 accounting firm's integrity.....when it is cracked, company's crumble (including the accounting firm).

See Arthur Andersen, Enron, Worldcom, etc, back in the day.

Plus, regardless of all that, if these people took a few minutes to watch the damn process, they would see it would be pretty much impossible to rig.

You'll always have some of this....probably not worth arguing..

First off, Nothing is impossible to rig, or above the possability of such a consideration, when there's profit that stands to be gained.

And to your point about them not being willing or capable of such things, it's also merely an opinion, just the same as the opposing opinons and perspectives being discussed.

https://www.accounting-degree.org/scandals/ .

And such examples as Enron, Bernie Mac, The Lehman brothers, Freddie mac and Tyco are all examples of large firms that show how easily and often it can actually happen.

Integrity is important for a businesses' image and reputation of course. But the reality is that all too often, The bottom line profits will always be the determining factor in overall decisions made with both ethical and unethical implications.

So obviously, There are 2 sides to every coin man. And honestly, your gif image applies more tangibly and contextually to those who have a tendency to ignore the obvious situations going on around them in order to not become uncomfortable in having to contemplate such unpleasant realities in life.

Just take the tinfoil hat off and watch the proceedings, read about how it works, etc. When an accounting firm looks past a company fudging numbers (BEFORE THE SARBANES OXLEY REGULATIONS) that is a lot easier than somehow rigging 4 ping pong balls to get sucked up in a various order.

You're free to continue to believe what you want along with many others but frankly it's ridiculous when people just flat out ignore realities to believe what they want to believe.

[Blonde]

Yikes on those Clarke measurements. Not good. I’m just hoping Culver or Garland are there for us.

I’d swap 6 for Lonzo too for what it’s worth. Not what I had hoped for but a decent consolation prize.

[Saberestar]

NBA Draft 2019: Measurements, results from 2019 NBA Draft Combine.

https://ca.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2019-combine-results-measurements-height-weight-wingspan-vertical-leap-williamson-barrett-morant/1ud6rkg3znj9l1oahlqumfbx5k

[alamin330]

I’m thinking maybe we can hustle the grizzlies to do a trade. I’m thinking tj, #6, mil pick, 2020 pick top 3 protected for #2 and whatever makes the salaries match

[Saberestar]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?

Now that would be a nice turnaround, after all this disappointment. I could definitely get behind that.

I posted that on trade boards last night and Atlanta didn’t sound interested. I included Milwaukee 1st as well

I figured as much.... But well just have to keep exploring options I suppose.

[Revived]

Hunter is “the guy” in this draft for me now. He can be a really versatile PF and good fit next to Ayton.

Only issue is that he’s such a poor rebounder and that’s usually a skill that translates from college to the pros.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hunter is “the guy” in this draft for me now. He can be a really versatile PF and good fit next to Ayton.

Only issue is that he’s such a poor rebounder and that’s usually a skill that translates from college to the pros.

I've started to talk myself into Hunter, seems like a high IQ player something I really like. Those rebounding numbers are a little scary and he's not much of a blocks or steals guy too although he plays good defense. I think Virgina's system probably comes into play there some especially with the blocks and steals since they dont' play a gambling d at all. Even his raw rebounding numbers are probably impacted some by them slowing it down and having less possessions in a game than your average college team.

He shoots a good percentage from 3 but he is a little slow with his release so that's a little concern but overall he could be a solid stretch 4.

[Ghost of Kleine]

They wouldn't. They had like $35 billion in revenue last year and the NBA had like $4 billion. Plus many of the biggest companies in the world and their investors rely on E&Ys and all the big 4 accounting firm's integrity.....when it is cracked, company's crumble (including the accounting firm).

See Arthur Andersen, Enron, Worldcom, etc, back in the day.

Plus, regardless of all that, if these people took a few minutes to watch the damn process, they would see it would be pretty much impossible to rig.

You'll always have some of this....probably not worth arguing..

First off, Nothing is impossible to rig, or above the possability of such a consideration, when there's profit that stands to be gained.

And to your point about them not being willing or capable of such things, it's also merely an opinion, just the same as the opposing opinons and perspectives being discussed.

https://www.accounting-degree.org/scandals/ .

And such examples as Enron, Bernie Mac, The Lehman brothers, Freddie mac and Tyco are all examples of large firms that show how easily and often it can actually happen.

Integrity is important for a businesses' image and reputation of course. But the reality is that all too often, The bottom line profits will always be the determining factor in overall decisions made with both ethical and unethical implications.

So obviously, There are 2 sides to every coin man. And honestly, your gif image applies more tangibly and contextually to those who have a tendency to ignore the obvious situations going on around them in order to not become uncomfortable in having to contemplate such unpleasant realities in life.

Just take the tinfoil hat off and watch the proceedings, read about how it works, etc. When an accounting firm looks past a company fudging numbers (BEFORE THE SARBANES OXLEY REGULATIONS) that is a lot easier than somehow rigging 4 ping pong balls to get sucked up in a various order.

You're free to continue to believe what you want along with many others but frankly it's ridiculous when people just flat out ignore realities to believe what they want to believe.

Finally, something that we can both agree upon!!!...lol...

By the way......The hat is paper....The summer's are far too hot for tin foil man!!!.....Obviously...

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Lol that's absurd

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Dude is a monster, but not awkward like others we've seen his size.

Would be great to take a flier on him in the mid to late 2nd round.

[bwgood77]

Hunter is “the guy” in this draft for me now. He can be a really versatile PF and good fit next to Ayton.

Only issue is that he’s such a poor rebounder and that’s usually a skill that translates from college to the pros.

I've started to talk myself into Hunter, seems like a high IQ player something I really like. Those rebounding numbers are a little scary and he's not much of a blocks or steals guy too although he plays good defense. I think Virgina's system probably comes into play there some especially with the blocks and steals since they dont' play a gambling d at all. Even his raw rebounding numbers are probably impacted some by them slowing it down and having less possessions in a game than your average college team.

He shoots a good percentage from 3 but he is a little slow with his release so that's a little concern but overall he could be a solid stretch 4.

I like his 3 pt shooting but he's not a 4...just another 3....decent defender, but his steal, block and rebound rates are extremely low which is typically a bad sign. He's definitely not going to be blocking many shots or getting many boards or blocks.

I think he might get overdrafted due to having a couple of big shots in the tourney.

[Saberestar]

Gambo said that he got a text message from a high ranking NBA guy saying him that the Suns is the team that has promised to Garland that we will pick him at #6.

Gambo added that he knows that we like Garland for sure and that an option that we are thinking too is to trade #6 for Lonzo Ball.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Gambo said that he got a text message from a high ranking NBA guy saying him that the Suns is the team that has promised to Garland that we will pick him at #6.

Gambo added that he knows that we like Garland for sure.

As long as they are patient with him and bring in a vet to start for a year or two I'd be cool with this pick. The nice thing is as a shooter you can find him some minutes off the bench as an instant offense guy while he works on the rest of his game.

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[Phnxsports]

The problem with this is your not going to get anything. The pick is less than desirable in a weak draft and who will want Jackson now? If all the Suns will get is pennies on the dollar to trade #6 I'd just keep it and pray you get a solid rotation guy.

Gambo said the Suns are looking at three players "he thinks"

White
Culver
GArland


So pretty much went by mock drafts and the Suns need for a PG....

I’m thinking it’s going to be Hunter/Garland/Culver at 4-6, and Chicago taking white at 7.

So we will get who’s left, it’s going to come down to who Lakers pick, I bet Cleveland takes either Hunter or culver depending who’s available.

I think the pick is getting traded - either trade back or out of the pick altogether. On the surface, the trade might not seem like good "value" but the end result will be more flexibility with cap space with which to improve the roster.

So, trading of draft pick and maybe Josh - frees up $X more in cap space which is spent on Player X. So on draft night, will be a letdown but than post 7/1, will see the totality of the plan.

[darealjuice]

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Draft starts at 4 this year

[bwgood77]

Gambo said that he got a text message from a high ranking NBA guy saying him that the Suns is the team that has promised to Garland that we will pick him at #6.

Gambo added that he knows that we like Garland for sure.

As long as they are patient with him and bring in a vet to start for a year or two I'd be cool with this pick. The nice thing is as a shooter you can find him some minutes off the bench as an instant offense guy while he works on the rest of his game.

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They wouldn't promise a guy before working him out or giving him medical tests. That's ridiculous.