The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[Kerrsed]

Did anyone read about Baron Davis making a comeback?

I think he'd be a nice fit here. He's a vet who's been through a lot and can teach these young kids a thing or two.

He would be the perfect stretch 4 for us!

[bwoolf2]

One of those teams will bend and Minnesota isnt interested in any of our assets...

Dragic + twins is more value than the offer currently on the table from the Cavs, IMO. It seems fairly apparent we're trying to work a third team in in order to turn that value into something the Wolves would be interested in. If we could turn Dragic into a player near his caliber that plays a wing position, the Wolves might be interested.

It really isn't very wise of them to keep waiting to pull the trigger. He can't re-sign in February. A team with whom he won't re-sign would undoubtedly want to get him for at least the whole year in order to give themselves a chance to win. If Flip is too stubborn he'll end up with nothing.

Boston already has a more attractive package than that to offer Minnesota, im sure our front office is still working on it but just like with Lebron it isnt likely to happen too many other teams interested that have more to offer.

[LukasBMW]

Our biggest Kevin Love trade problems:

1. For some reason, Minnesota wants veterans and not young players with potential. We can't offer them any veterans. (By the way, this makes no sense to me! When Minnesota trades Love, they are going to become one of the worst teams in the West. They may as well trade him for picks and youth with potential.)

2. If we find a team to involve in a 3 way (Love to us, our young players to a third team, vets from the third team to Minnesota), why wouldn't that team just want to keep Love themselves?

[ruiner]

We gotta drop it with the Kevin Love fantasies on this board, he's not coming here via trade. Minnesota is turning down better offers from CLE and GS. There's no reason to gut the team for one guy - recent NBA history shows us this is a bad idea.

At this point, shouldn't we be rooting for him NOT to get moved?

If MIN makes the playoffs, we get their pick. It's obvious that this is more likely if Love is on their team.

If Love enters free agency, we'll be one of the few teams that have the cap space and the talent to pitch him a competitive offer next year. In the mean time, we can see what guys like Green and the Mo Bros are really made of.

Why are fans of this team so intent on getting rid of the assets we have?

Their offers are awful without Klay and Wiggins.

[ruiner]

Our biggest Kevin Love trade problems:

1. For some reason, Minnesota wants veterans and not young players with potential. We can't offer them any veterans. (By the way, this makes no sense to me! When Minnesota trades Love, they are going to become one of the worst teams in the West. They may as well trade him for picks and youth with potential.)

2. If we find a team to involve in a 3 way (Love to us, our young players to a third team, vets from the third team to Minnesota), why wouldn't that team just want to keep Love themselves?

Yet they reportedly won't budge without getting Wiggins....He's not a vet and is a young player with potential.

[Kerrsed]

Our biggest Kevin Love trade problems:

1. For some reason, Minnesota wants veterans and not young players with potential. We can't offer them any veterans. (By the way, this makes no sense to me! When Minnesota trades Love, they are going to become one of the worst teams in the West. They may as well trade him for picks and youth with potential.)

2. If we find a team to involve in a 3 way (Love to us, our young players to a third team, vets from the third team to Minnesota), why wouldn't that team just want to keep Love themselves?

1. From what i understand the FO is upset with Love (the fact that he wants to leave) and wants to put together a squad that will be in the playoffs ASAP as a big "F U" to Love. They have a half-way decent PG in Rubio, a solid C in Pek and a bunch of young talent. A few roster flips and they could be in the hunt.

2. This statement is correct, somewhat. Our inclusion of Dragic in a Love trade is huge. If we could find a team that would want some of our more expendable young talent for a more proven Vet, a combo of Dragic/that Vet/1st could net us Love, where the 3rd team coulnt get Love without the inclusion of Dragic. That how you get a 3rd team involved.

[Frank Lee]

I think the best deal is w Milw... Sign/trade Bled for Illysova , knight , 1st
We send all them plus fLaker pick and Warren or rights to bogdan or? to Minny.


Probably not going to happen, but at least we aren't cutting the heart out of this team to get heartthrob Love

[bhawk]

None of the Love talk matters unless he commits to PHX long term. Because there is no way our front office pulls off a Love trade (sending significant assets out) without a long-term Love commitment. It just doesn't make sense. McDonough has to be smarter than that.

So if we are engaged in trade talks as speculated, then this issue of Love's long term commitment to PHX must have already been solved. Right?

Do you think the PHX front office would trade for Love as a one-year rental and hope for the best? I hope not.

[Kerrsed]

Do you think the PHX front office would trade for Love as a one-year rental and hope for the best? I hope not.

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

[Kerrsed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q9ggcrw

Suns get Love.
Philly gets MoBros/Martin.
Wolves get Young/Dragic/JRich

[LukasBMW]

DET:
Something from us

PHX:
Kevin Love

MIN:
Dragic
Josh Smith
1st round pick from Phoenix

If Cleveland won't offer up Wiggins and GSW won't offer up Klay, then this is by far the best Minnesota could hope to do. A Dragic/Josh Smith two man game might even make them fun to watch (as discussed in this thread earlier when we thought about bringing JSmoove here)

[Kerrsed]

DET:
Something from us

PHX:
Kevin Love

MIN:
Dragic
Josh Smith
1st round pick from Phoenix

If Cleveland won't offer up Wiggins and GSW won't offer up Klay, then this is by far the best Minnesota could hope to do. A Dragic/Josh Smith two man game might even make them fun to watch (as discussed in this thread earlier when we thought about bringing JSmoove here)

That was another one i was looking at.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p797mfl

Suns get Love.
Wolves get Dragic/Smith/KeiffMo
Pistons get Martin/MarcusMo

[DirtyDez]

I think Saunders is mad butthurt and wants to stick it to him in a way. That whole Boston trip was disrespectful in his eyes and then said Love was part of the problem in the Wolves losing in a radio interview. When GM's get salty it usually ends badly.

Minnesota is in a lose-lose situation. Even if they get Wiggins it'll kill his confidence going there and he'll want out as the pattern continues. From Cleveland's POV I'm 50/50 on if they should swap Wiggins/Love. He can be Lebron's Pippen and Kyrie is BJ Armstrong on steroids. Love and Kyrie have their flaws but that's a helluva big-3 if they decide to trade him.

The Suns are just hoping he stays a Wolf at this point. We can create cap space next summer and sign him if we make the playoffs making ourselves look more attractive.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

I think that's the real reason to do this deal. We're at a crossroads with Dragic and the MoBros. We pay them what they're worth, and this is basically our squad going forward. But most of our talent 8 years younger than Dragic, and moving forward with Dragic might impede our ability to build around our last two draft classes. So, you gamble on Love, and if you fail, you're in position to build around the young guys. That's how I see it.

As to the nonsense about the third team going for Love - the whole point is that we contribute the most value to the deal, so we get the prize asset in return. I actually think Markieff is a player the Wolves should covet, even if they don't. But give them Dragic and the Morrises and let them trade those players for other pieces if they'd rather.

I don't think it makes sense to put Warren, Len, Goodwin, or the picks into the deal, because that's our contingency plan if Love walks (and it also prepares us to continue to build around Love if he should stay). We can afford Bledsoe and Love. Putting another near-max contract in there (Dragic) would make it tough to keep the other guys as their rookie deals expire.

I think this is all pretty common sense. I don't understand why some don't get it. Strange combo of cynicism and fanboydom around here (as with all sports team boards, i guess).

[Saberestar]

MotherTucker...

"It sucks for Channing to leave, because Channing is definitely a guy that I look for," Tucker said. "He's kind of my sidekick. We were each other's sidekick last year, keeping everybody together when it was bad, when it was good. Now with him being gone, it made me want to sign back even more because of all the young guys we've got. Marcus and Markieff (Morris) are like brothers to me. Archie (Goodwin), all these guys, Dionte (Christmas). I definitely didn't want to leave because I felt l was leaving a chapter open. You kind of want to finish it out and see where you can go."

The Suns were drawn by Tucker's work ethic two years ago. There is no reason to doubt that will subside with his first big contract and a new Valley home with room for his family and shoe collection.
"I was here when it wasn't great," Tucker said. "I was here when it got better. I want to be here. I'm back here. Now I'm ready to work."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12642983/

[bwgood77]

One of those teams will bend and Minnesota isnt interested in any of our assets...

Dragic + twins is more value than the offer currently on the table from the Cavs, IMO. It seems fairly apparent we're trying to work a third team in in order to turn that value into something the Wolves would be interested in. If we could turn Dragic into a player near his caliber that plays a wing position, the Wolves might be interested.

It really isn't very wise of them to keep waiting to pull the trigger. He can't re-sign in February. A team with whom he won't re-sign would undoubtedly want to get him for at least the whole year in order to give themselves a chance to win. If Flip is too stubborn he'll end up with nothing.

Boston already has a more attractive package than that to offer Minnesota, im sure our front office is still working on it but just like with Lebron it isnt likely to happen too many other teams interested that have more to offer.

Well Boston's players are not better, but those picks could be valuable and Marcus Smart is on a rookie deal with great potential. The fact that Dragic could leave in the summer is what makes our deal one I'm not sure I'd accept if I were them. But to keep them competitive this year, ours is definitely the best.

[bwgood77]

Did anyone read about Baron Davis making a comeback?

I think he'd be a nice fit here. He's a vet who's been through a lot and can teach these young kids a thing or two.

I saw that earlier and almost made a similar joke but knew you'd take care of it.

[bwgood77]

Do you think the PHX front office would trade for Love as a one-year rental and hope for the best? I hope not.

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

We definitely should be able to afford to keep them if we want, especially since we didn't spend a ton of money on free agents this summer.

I think the front office might do it without a guarantee too, which is scary because Love with Bled, Green, Tucker and Plumlee isn't any better than the team is on now, so I think he'd almost certainly leave.

With Dragic, I think their is a 95% chance he would re-sign with us and we'd pay him, and of course we have the rights to the twins.

We could end up losing Dragic, the twins and picks for nothing.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Suns get Love.
Wolves get Dragic/Smith/KeiffMo
Pistons get Martin/MarcusMo

That's pretty good, I gotta say. DET as a third team makes a lot of sense. Think the Wolves would be interested in Monroe? Not ideal next to Pek, I know. Someone else suggested a Hibbert/Pek swap between Pacers and Wolves.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lh7rrmh

It says this trade fails, but I think it works (it's just not taking the contracts of the S&Traded players into account?). But something along those lines. Seems to me like that's a lot of value to throw Minnesota's way, and everyone, it seems to me, comes out with a better team.

Rubio/Stephenson/Brewer/Monroe/Hibbert. Not ideal, because Rubio's an open-court PG and those are half-court guys up front, but it's talented.

[NaturalBuns]

Still no word on Bledsoe,Monroe,Stephenson.

Unreal