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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline 

Post#1821 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:01 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well "Supposedly" Nawlins wants Bledsoe to pair with Holiday in the backcourt. "Local Insiders" have said that the Pelicans have been trying to trade for Bledsoe or Jackson or Lin, with Bledsoe being their main target, but Jackson being talked about for much cheaper (Moore/Ajinca/Pondexter).

I just dont see how a 4 team trade would work with Bledsoe headed to NO. That would most likely have to result in us taking Ryno, and i dont see what the hell we would get out of that to make it worth our while.


There is just no way Bledsoe to NO makes any sense for Phoenix without Cousins being involved, or unless we can get 2-3 firsts with limited to no protection for 6 or 7 years from now.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline 

Post#1822 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:03 am

I didnt see this posted yet earlier:

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So supposedly the Knicks have called us about Bledsoe.
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Post#1823 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:09 am

Teams are lowballing us on Bledsoe.

Pick 13 was the best offer I'd heard of and that's not really close.
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Post#1824 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:12 am

Hernangomez has some promise. Maybe him plus a first or 2 is worth Bled. Absent us including Bled and a lot more for Porzingis, that is all I can talk myself into. Or straight up for Ntilikina.

If that article is correct and they are trying to add Bledsoe to Porzingis, Ntilikina, Hardaway, and Hernangomez, then we would need a couple of firsts with limited protection imo. I would take this year's (they may surprise but still should be a lotto pick) first. I just don't see how, at the end of a 4 way trade where they give up Melo, they would also include multiple firsts to get Bledsoe.

Thus, I think we are looking at 2 separate deals here. Either a separate trade where NYK gets Bled and gives us picks, or a salary dump type of trade where NYK is moving Melo and we are getting an asset for taking on unwanted salary from Houston or the supposed 4th team.
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Post#1825 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:29 am

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If that guy is correct Portland / NY / Houston will get Carmelo done.
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Post#1826 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:21 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:
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If that guy is correct Portland / NY / Houston will get Carmelo done.


Don't see a real way that occurs unless one of the teams is brutally ripped off. There has to be a 4th team. Portland has a ton of contracts and probably wants to offload them. It seems obvious NY has 0 interest in Anderson, who has to be included, so let's assume Anderson to Portland, Melo to Houston, and Harkless to NY. You would have to include Vonleh for salary purposes to NY.

How does that really help Portland? Unless they somehow really want Anderson. Even then they probably want to offload one of Crabbe or Leonard. Houston also MUST include more to get Melo here, and NY is light. Draft picks help, but even with Onuaku, etc. being added I think Portland would want something more than this.

Really what this seems like is there probably is an agreed to framework with Anderson going somewhere, but there is probably a lot of salary dumping that is needed and no team willing to take that salary.
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Post#1827 » by thamadkant » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:36 am

A fourth team must be involved... Rockets still need around 6 million outgoing to fit Melo and Ariza is not it.
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Post#1828 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:55 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:
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If that guy is correct Portland / NY / Houston will get Carmelo done.


So Frank to PHX isn't happening?
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Post#1829 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:45 am

What are the odds McDo does a deal ? Are we really done adjusting this roster ?

I dont see the benefit of absorbing salary to glean a draft pick or a young promising player. Don't we have enough of those??? Eventually, we will have to sign a free agent or two. They even might be our own.

Right now... here is my list ... I hesitate to call it a core, but what else can we call it ?

Booker
Warren
Ulis
Jackson
Bender

The rest are completely expendable. Yeah, I know.... no Chris. Sorry... IMO, BBIQ is a trump card. He doesn't have one. I dont really care how high you can jump if you dont know where to land. Those other 5 guys do.
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Post#1830 » by thamadkant » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:51 am

Jazz lost Hayward but they aren't changing their direction... It actually seems like they are doubling down on dedense.

C: Gobert / Udoh
PF: Favors / Bolomboy
SF: Johnson / Ingles
SG: Hood / Burk / Sefalosha
PG: Rubio / Mitchell

Looks defensively sound... With Mitchell looking nice they have youth as well. I like it. They have an identity and they are bringing players in that fits.

Maybe they want to push top 4?

How about Bledsoe for Mitchell and filler?
I would do it... Just based on Mitchell's potential.
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Post#1831 » by NavLDO » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:58 am

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Cutter wrote:I recently saw a thread going around about which teams have the best "core". Some had the Suns ranked as the 2nd best core, others had Suns as low as the #4 core. I don't have the Suns core ranked at all as I don't believe the Suns even have a core. The Suns have a collection of very young players, of which hardly any project to be more than serviceable rotation players and more than likely bench contributors. The term core implies you have group of young players who, if properly developed, can lead your team to the playoffs and eventually a conference championship appearance or finals appearance.

Outside of Booker we do not have a single young player who has yet to show he can be a #1,#2 or #3 contributor on a top 5 team in the NBA. And I'm not yet convinced that Booker has the talent to be a top player on a championship team.

I say the statements above as a Suns homer. I always hope for the best from front office decisions, and always root for our young players to develop into all stars. However at the end of this recent few years of tanking I am not seeing much to give me hope that we are going to be relevant in the next 5 years.

Maybe Devin Booker and Josh Jackson develop into those top players that every top 5 team needs. Rant over, let me slip my Suns homer glasses back on, they fit me very well. :D


So Philadelphia has a core besides Embiid? (which played 30ish games) Simmons and Fultz both played 0 NBA games.

Lakers has a core?
Kings?
Denver?

Only Bucks, Celtics and Portland made the playoffs with their "core".

IMO Lakers do not have a core. They have Brandon Ingram who had a terrible rookie year and Lonzo Ball who has yet to play a regular season game. Just because you are young, and drafted with a high pick, doesn't mean you are automatically part of a core.

Kings. What core do they have that can reasonably make them a top 5-10 team? Buddy Hield? Maybe Fox develops but again he hasn't played a regular season game yet. WCS isn't getting you anywhere.

Denver - same


I think you are discounting Denver quite a bit. Jokic is a top 15-20 player in this league, Harris shot 42% for 3 last year, and they just upgraded from Gallinari to Millsap, and yes, I know they play different positions, but that now gives room for Juancho to 'spread his wings'--oh, and then there's Jamal Murray, who I've read looks to be the real deal, and should progress nicely from hi 'ok' rookie season last year. I think Denver is executing their plan well, and they have some nice depth in Mudiay, Faried, Lyles, Hibbert, Barton, and Chandler; with the possibility of Plumlee and Gee as well.

I think Denver might have the best 'overused word in the NBA' of any of the teams to make a move this season, and my goodness, if Mudiay ever 'pulls his head out', they'll have -- Jokic, Murray, Mudiay, Juancho, Harris--all under 25. Then add in Millsap, and that's darn good team...better than what we have. Then, they have Lydon who may, or may not, turn into something.

But the point is, I see Denver as being a year ahead of us; we should take a 'page out of their playbook', IMO, but instead of trading back, just trade out all-together, yet it now and get us a 'Jokic'...like Drummond, Capela or heck, even Jordan, though he's a bit older, but he's not ancient either. Or, I'd be perfectly happy with Porzingis as well. SOMETHING to jumpstart this team, and no, not a rookie...someone who's already 'NBA-vetted'.
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Post#1832 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:47 pm

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Sure they want Bledsoe, who wouldnt, but they dont have any good enough assets to get him, thats why we are offering up Knight. None of the teams have good enough assets for us to part with Bledsoe for. I mean they do, just none that they would even consider giving up. I think the closest would be Cousins, if NO thinks that its not working out or he might leave in FA after the season, but the idea for us would be to pair the two, not pay for one with the other. Thats why i'd be willing to give up Chriss/Warren/and the Miami 1st (which honestly will be a bleh pick) for a shot at Cousins. KP aint going nowhere. Harden aint going nowhere. No real good youngsters (Besides Capela and MAYBE Frank Jackson). I also like French Frank, but NY aint making him available, the whole idea about them getting a PG is because he aint ready yet, so they want someone to start so Frank can develop more, and thats why i think Knight would be a good fit for that.


Cousins won't be available after they just traded a lotto pick and Hield for him...it was an under pay, but since it would be NY getting Bledsoe, New Orleans gets screwed...it has to be good for everyone involved otherwise why do it? Unless they dump Noah on us, but New Orleans isn't giving up Cousins to get into this deal..not sure what they would get out of it.

Warren >> Hield.
Chriss --- Collins (we dont know yet)
Miami 1st ---- Evans (Who knows)

I just dont get the sense of NO getting screwed. Sure it was an underpay for Cousins, but they are making out just fine and maybe even a bit better than they would have if they never got him. On top of that they get Anderson back, who played great next to Davis and really helped stretch the floor.


They didn't trade for Cousins to give him up for a pupu platter of young players and picks.. They need to win with Davis so they traded a pick and a rookie for him to get an experienced all star and get better NOW and start winning with Davis. Why would they take a step back?
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Post#1833 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:08 pm

I don't think the Knicks have what is needed to grab Bled. But I wouldn't be shocked if we were able to get NOP to overpay, as they're going to need to convince DMC to stick around, and Bled is one of his best friends in the NBA if I understand correctly.

Bledsoe for Ajinca, Pondexter, Toupane and two 1sts. I do that deal and promptly waive them all. Still leaves us with one Brandon Knight too many.
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Post#1834 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:30 pm

I want to highlight this article again...
http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/21/this-is-how-trades-go-down-in-the-nba/

One example of so-called “foul play” is rather humorous and well-known among league circles. Years ago, an executive believed that he had the necessary pieces to acquire Amar’e Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns. He wanted to trade for Stoudemire and then flip him to another team because he felt he could get more in return for Stoudemire than Phoenix could. He started calling teams to ask what they’d be willing to trade him if he could get Stoudemire. Well, he accidentally called the Suns and asked what they’d be willing to give up if he could acquire Stoudemire… from the Suns. He offered Phoenix their own player. Needless to say, that executive did not acquire Stoudemire.


I still feel like the Pelicans made the trade for Boogie to basically do the above. I don't think AD/Boogie makes any sense. They don't have any money after signing Jrue either.
The Pelicans have 78million locked in with Davis, Jrue, Moore, Hill, and Ajinca. If Boogie signed with them over next summer, I imagine his contract is at least the same as Jrue which is 25mil a year. This would put the Pelicans at 103mil going forward with a craptastic team that treadmills and they likely won't make the playoffs. Isn't this the same scenario we are trying to avoid, yet the Pelicans are going to take this route?
I think Boogie is a year and a half rental. I think this twin towers gimmick is similar to the Suns hydra a few years ago. Obviously they have the better players in AD/Boogie but ultimately I just don't think it's going to work out. It would be smart IMO for the Pelicans to look at trading Boogie.
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Post#1835 » by JJ13 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:43 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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Cousins won't be available after they just traded a lotto pick and Hield for him...it was an under pay, but since it would be NY getting Bledsoe, New Orleans gets screwed...it has to be good for everyone involved otherwise why do it? Unless they dump Noah on us, but New Orleans isn't giving up Cousins to get into this deal..not sure what they would get out of it.

Warren >> Hield.
Chriss --- Collins (we dont know yet)
Miami 1st ---- Evans (Who knows)

I just dont get the sense of NO getting screwed. Sure it was an underpay for Cousins, but they are making out just fine and maybe even a bit better than they would have if they never got him. On top of that they get Anderson back, who played great next to Davis and really helped stretch the floor.


They didn't trade for Cousins to give him up for a pupu platter of young players and picks.. They need to win with Davis so they traded a pick and a rookie for him to get an experienced all star and get better NOW and start winning with Davis. Why would they take a step back?


Ya they are trying to build to keep Boogie in NO. Him and Bled are boys. I'm sure NO believes they have a better shot keeping Boogie next summer with Bled there. I'd take Frank Jackson, Diallo, and picks back for Bled, especially if we can offload Knight to NY in the process
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Post#1836 » by King4Day » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:46 pm

With the rumor that Utah is trying to trade Diaw to gain cap space, would anyone be willing to trade for him?
If they are willing to give up a 2nd for us to absorb him, I'd do that.
Then hang onto him and try dealing him during the season.
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Post#1837 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:50 pm

If what Josh Jackson displayed last was not an aberration, then I would trade Bledsoe if there is no Cousins trade. Bledsoe Booker Jackson Cousins is solid.

I am afraid that keeping Bledsoe would slow Jackson's growth as a play-maker. When James was off of the court last night or playing off of Jackson, our offense looked good; I see Bledsoe as our regular season James when it comes to Jackson's ability to thrive.

Ulis, Booker, Jackson and Warren can all initiate the offense in the absence of Bledsoe.

Include Bledsoe if you can get some solid picks.......trading Knight preferably goes without saying.
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Post#1838 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:51 pm

DarkHawk wrote:With the rumor that Utah is trying to trade Diaw to gain cap space, would anyone be willing to trade for him?
If they are willing to give up a 2nd for us to absorb him, I'd do that.
Then hang onto him and try dealing him during the season.


I don't want anyone taking up playing time and helping us win, unless it helps us to the playoffs.
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Post#1839 » by NTB » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:16 pm

carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
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