The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[letsgosuns]

I have no idea what the Timberwolves are doing. It makes no sense. They are holding onto Love like he is Michael Jordan. Who do they think he is? They have missed the playoffs for ten years. What has Kevin Love ever done for them? The Wolves have been one of the worst teams in basketball since Love has been on their team and they act like he is the greatest player of all time. He is probably going to leave whatever team he is traded to anyway and sign with the Lakers or Knicks next season. I really believe that. He wants to be in a major market and will bolt whoever trades for him, unless it is one of those teams that gets him.

Would you give up Andrew Wiggins for Love? I sure as hell would not. If the Suns just signed Love outright, they would probably improve a lot. If they have to trade a lot of stuff for him, they are not going to be all that much better than they are right now.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think Minny doesn't want those picks because (a) Saunders is coaching and wants to win now, and (b) you could always end up picking in a draft like last year's where a lot of selections don't appear to be paying off.

I posted a trade above: I think we could get Monroe and Stephenson for Love with little effort. Replace Love, fix the SG situation. Maybe not what they want, but it's substantial talent.

[scooter_22]

Does anyone think that big baby Glen Davis would work with the Suns? He is still young (28) 6'9" 289lbs. Not a 3 pt threat, but he would be a big body to bang inside.

[bwgood77]

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

I think that's the real reason to do this deal. We're at a crossroads with Dragic and the MoBros. We pay them what they're worth, and this is basically our squad going forward. But most of our talent 8 years younger than Dragic, and moving forward with Dragic might impede our ability to build around our last two draft classes. So, you gamble on Love, and if you fail, you're in position to build around the young guys. That's how I see it.

As to the nonsense about the third team going for Love - the whole point is that we contribute the most value to the deal, so we get the prize asset in return. I actually think Markieff is a player the Wolves should covet, even if they don't. But give them Dragic and the Morrises and let them trade those players for other pieces if they'd rather.

I don't think it makes sense to put Warren, Len, Goodwin, or the picks into the deal, because that's our contingency plan if Love walks (and it also prepares us to continue to build around Love if he should stay). We can afford Bledsoe and Love. Putting another near-max contract in there (Dragic) would make it tough to keep the other guys as their rookie deals expire.

I think this is all pretty common sense. I don't understand why some don't get it. Strange combo of cynicism and fanboydom around here (as with all sports team boards, i guess).

I don't think most people around here want to tank, which is what it sounds like you are suggesting. Trading our best assets for a guy who would very likely walk, and then we become one of the worst teams in the league. I doubt Love wants to play with a bunch of 20 year olds which I guess is what you are suggesting he do.

Minnesota would be smart to keep him until the deadline anyway when they will get the best offers. I know you think the offers will get worse, but other teams holding out, would more likely give in on trading Klay or Wiggins or whoever if the trade window is about to close. I don't know I'd take Dragic if I was them since he could walk just like Love can.

[lilfishi22]

Do you think the PHX front office would trade for Love as a one-year rental and hope for the best? I hope not.

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

With what Love's supposedly said about wanting to go to LA/NY or some big market team, I'd rather we take our chances on trying to resign MoBros/Dragic than Love. Unlike Love, Dragic (and MoBros, I guess) wants to be here, had success here and the fans love him here.

[harshey1388]

Does anyone think that big baby Glen Davis would work with the Suns? He is still young (28) 6'9" 289lbs. Not a 3 pt threat, but he would be a big body to bang inside.

Doesn't make too much sense if we keep Bled and Dragic.

If both are staying we need a big man that can drain 3's and rebound.

[bwgood77]

DET:
Something from us

PHX:
Kevin Love

MIN:
Dragic
Josh Smith
1st round pick from Phoenix

If Cleveland won't offer up Wiggins and GSW won't offer up Klay, then this is by far the best Minnesota could hope to do. A Dragic/Josh Smith two man game might even make them fun to watch (as discussed in this thread earlier when we thought about bringing JSmoove here)

That was another one i was looking at.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p797mfl

Suns get Love.
Wolves get Dragic/Smith/KeiffMo
Pistons get Martin/MarcusMo

Personally I think that is pretty good for all the teams, but I think Detroit would rather get a pg. It's better than the Cozmo one. I suggested another version of a Monroe trade to them and they said "Why would we want a third center? We've been over this!"

But Dragic, Kieff AND Smith? I think that's pretty good unless they hate Smith and were afraid of Dragic walking.

[Kerrsed]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2014 ... sure-thing

[Years90Suns]

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I remember those days we were screaming for AR in an Amare deal lol

He's still only 24. I wonder if McDonough would take a flier on him. He's 6'11 and plays PF. Hhm....

I have always thought that AR would be an excellent fit here. Why not give him a try?

[bwgood77]

Do you think the PHX front office would trade for Love as a one-year rental and hope for the best? I hope not.

I think its a chance that McD is willing to take. Hell, Dragic/MoBros are all FA next season and its going to take a pretty penny to keep them. We dont even know if we can afford to keep them, so there is a chance with either direction we take. Might as well take the chance on the bigger, better, more valuable player (Love).

With what Love's supposedly said about wanting to go to LA/NY or some big market team, I'd rather we take our chances on trying to resign MoBros/Dragic than Love. Unlike Love, Dragic (and MoBros, I guess) wants to be here, had success here and the fans love him here.

I think there might be a decent chance that Minnesota hangs onto him anyway if they can't get Wiggins or possibly Klay.

There is a chance Love doesn't opt out if there are not good options and Minnesota can make the playoffs. After seeing what LeBron did (only signing for two years) he may realize that becoming a FA in 2016 is smarter because after the tv deal when max contracts could skyrocket he could probably get a MUCH better contract in 2016 PLUS LA is will all their cap space back when Kobe and everyone else comes off their books could be appealing.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Minnesota would be smart to keep him until the deadline anyway when they will get the best offers. I know you think the offers will get worse, but other teams holding out, would more likely give in on trading Klay or Wiggins or whoever if the trade window is about to close.

This just makes no sense. He can't re-sign if they trade him near the deadline. Teams are reluctant to gut their teams halfway into a season, and its much harder to re-tool midseason. The Cavs won't trade Wiggins, because they'd be stupid to: you're underestimating his value.

Kevin Love has his greatest value now, while he can still resign and teams can have a whole year of him (and he's not injured, as he may become midseason). Teams won't step up their offers when it's more costly to their teams and when the prospect for resigning him before he's a free agent have vanished.

I may not have made the best trade, maybe there are other things we can do for them. We have valuable players and cap space, and he fits us like a glove so we may be willing to take a risk. I think you're really wrong on this one.

[bwgood77]

Minnesota would be smart to keep him until the deadline anyway when they will get the best offers. I know you think the offers will get worse, but other teams holding out, would more likely give in on trading Klay or Wiggins or whoever if the trade window is about to close.

This just makes no sense. He can't re-sign if they trade him near the deadline. Teams are reluctant to gut their teams halfway into a season, and its much harder to re-tool midseason. The Cavs won't trade Wiggins, because they'd be stupid to: you're underestimating his value.

Kevin Love has his greatest value now, while he can still resign and teams can have a whole year of him (and he's not injured, as he may become midseason). Teams won't step up their offers when it's more costly to their teams and when the prospect for resigning him before he's a free agent have vanished.

I may not have made the best trade, maybe there are other things we can do for them. We have valuable players and cap space, and he fits us like a glove so we may be willing to take a risk. I think you're really wrong on this one.

I just disagree with this. You can't resign a guy before he opts out to become a free agent anyway. Teams can easily re-tool mid season, especially if they are struggling. There have been plenty of mid season trades where they got a lot better return by waiting. I guess you don't play poker? They start calling people's bluffs, and the offers will get as good as they are going to get the closer it is to time running out.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You can't resign a guy before he opts out to become a free agent anyway.

Oh. Oh yeah.

Still think you're wrong.

[Frank Lee]

Jeebus Christ ... Some of you act like Dragic is an old man. He can ball for the next 5 easy

Plus, I think Love would mesh better with him and the MoBros.

And what's this jabbering about who we can afford to keep AFTER next yr. crap o mighty... We have a cap wizard manning the books. Too much thinking by tiny thinkers going on here. Our FO knows the #s far better than 99% here

[ruiner]

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LOLOL Best tweet ever.

[bwgood77]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140713/SPORTS0102/307130055/0/sports0102/Greg-Monroe-s-return-Pistons-no-sure-thing

Woah, I just decided to look at Monroe's shot chart. Not impressive. http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg
How can he shoot under 50% when almost all of his shots are around the basket? And he can't defend or block shots? And people are talking about the max with him?

I never knew much about him but thought he was generally thought of as a really good player. Looking at everything I'm not sure why.

[bwgood77]

Jeebus Christ ... Some of you act like Dragic is an old man. He can ball for the next 5 easy

Plus, I think Love would mesh better with him and the MoBros.

And what's this jabbering about who we can afford to keep AFTER next yr. crap o mighty... We have a cap wizard manning the books. Too much thinking by tiny thinkers going on here. Our FO knows the #s far better than 99% here

I don't understand the age thing either. We went and signed Nash when he was three years older than Dragic is now to play with a young core in Amare, JJ, etc. Dragic is the same age Nash was in 2001-02. And with medical advances people play much longer these days.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Jeebus Christ ... Some of you act like Dragic is an old man. He can ball for the next 5 easy

Plus, I think Love would mesh better with him and the MoBros.

And what's this jabbering about who we can afford to keep AFTER next yr. crap o mighty... We have a cap wizard manning the books. Too much thinking by tiny thinkers going on here. Our FO knows the #s far better than 99% here

I don't understand the age thing either. We went and signed Nash when he was three years older than Dragic is now to play with a young core in Amare, JJ, etc. Dragic is the same age Nash was in 2001-02. And with medical advances people play much longer these days.

People gotta stop comparing Nash and Dragic. Dragic is a scorer who drives to the basket and takes contact a la KJ or Wade. Nash's game was low-to-the-ground, avoiding contact, making plays for others. Dragic's game is predicated on athleticism, Nash's wasn't.

The biggest parallels between Nash and Dragic is that they're both Suns, and they're both white. Neither is useful when we're talking about longevity.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

To follow that up, anyone wanna bet Dragic is all-NBA this year? Because I think there's no chance. Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, and Kobe are all back. His stats were lower when he played with Bledsoe, IIRC. He'll also play fewer minutes due to IT and the emergence of Archie Goodwin. All that is to say, he very likely peaked last season.

Any takers? Surely no....

[spanishninja]

Jeebus Christ ... Some of you act like Dragic is an old man. He can ball for the next 5 easy

Plus, I think Love would mesh better with him and the MoBros.

And what's this jabbering about who we can afford to keep AFTER next yr. crap o mighty... We have a cap wizard manning the books. Too much thinking by tiny thinkers going on here. Our FO knows the #s far better than 99% here

I don't understand the age thing either. We went and signed Nash when he was three years older than Dragic is now to play with a young core in Amare, JJ, etc. Dragic is the same age Nash was in 2001-02. And with medical advances people play much longer these days.

People gotta stop comparing Nash and Dragic. Dragic is a scorer who drives to the basket and takes contact a la KJ or Wade. Nash's game was low-to-the-ground, avoiding contact, making plays for others. Dragic's game is predicated on athleticism, Nash's wasn't.

The biggest parallels between Nash and Dragic is that they're both Suns, and they're both white. Neither is useful when we're talking about longevity.

Dragic relies more on athleticism, but let's not pretend that it's all he has. His basketball IQ and cunning are definitely closer to Nash than Bledsoe.