Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[NavLDO]

Week.... it's not about winning a couple more games. It's about adding talent. Nobody is giving up on Chriss and Bender. Neither is ready, Chriss doesn't have the mental side and Bender needs some physical growth. IMO, Chriss would be better off in the DLeague playing big mins every game. He doesn't know how to play basketball, isn't that obvious? The DLeague is for development, that's called patience. yet you preachers want to see him play nightly when clearly, he isn't ready.

This team is a sham, last off season was a sham. Dudley and Barbs ? Really? Nothing wrong with drafting two teens, but at some point you have to actually build a team. There is no core, there is no system... just a bunch of stat padding going on during losing effort blow outs.

This is not developing anything, but bad habits. And it's being justified/accepted in order to draft yet another likely teen-potential star who in 3 yrs may be good. At some point, you have to acquire real, proven talent.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but not your answer with DMo. Bring in DMo--that's fine, but you are kidding yourself if you think he is our long-term solution. And yes, Chriss needs some development, but I have no problem with that development taking place on the court this season here; the problem is, who is doing the 'developing'. We have no idea if the Vets like Tucker, Dudley, and Chandler are or are not providing some of that Vet leadership/'coaching' he sorely needs or not. I'm banking on yes, he is, but you can't expect for him to grasp it all in the first 1/3 of his NBA career. Let's let him play here for a year, get some serious minutes against REAL NBA talent, and see if by next year, some of it sinks in. Sending him to DLeague, IMO, is not going to provide what he needs. He doesn't need development of 'skills' or 'talent'; he needs Vet leadership to show him the ropes, and he's not going to get that in the DLeague.

BUT, if we want to trade for some 'unidentified' PF who is on a 1-to-2 year contract that is maybe 30+, that is more of a PF in the mold of Chriss, who can REALLY provide that assistance over the next couple of years...maybe like 'David West' with an outside shot...then to me, that would be a solid trade. But if we are going to bring in talent, like REAL ALL-STAR talent, then I'd say it should be at the PG position. Once that position is 'fixed', I believe we'll see a much better team. Seriously...how is Chriss supposed to develop with HERO BALL PG extraordinaire in Bledsoe...

[NavLDO]

Noel is available FOR SURE and he is a better fit for our current stage than Chandler. I would talk with Chandler and trade him for a late pick to a contender/playoff team. He has some value yet, but he is not part of our future.

Noel can be a beast defensively, if he is healthy (and he can be healthier with our medical staff) he can be a real game changer.

If we trade for him NOW we have enough time to see if we want to give him a high salary next season.

We have the trade pieces (Knight, Chandler, Tucker, picks) to adquire him.

Well, they won't want another big back, and doubt they'd want an expiring in Tucker, but Knight? Or Bledsoe? Absolutely. Straight trade...Bledsoe for Noel. Or we can ask they throw in Serge or McConnell, just for some depth, or we make a separate trade with Knight where we bring in a PG somehow.

I haven't read the next two pages, but after reading the news about what came out about Noel being out of Philly's rotation, I'm sure there are at least 10 posts over the next 2 pages regarding bringing Noel in. Just makes too much sense for us, IMO, while unloading either Knight or Bledsoe, in the process.

The only reason I keep bringing up Bledsoe is because I feel we need to go full rebuild, and he's just not helping us right now, and to me, is about 5 years too old to be part of our future, IMO. With all the good PGs coming out this year, and with Ulis on board, to me, this also makes too much sense. We have our pick this year, and two extra future picks and other assets to trade for another lotto pick this year, IMO. McD would be a fool to NOT ensure we came out of this next draft with a PG. We have everything we need except for a young PG (that's taller than 6'); and yes, I feel Len brings enough Defense to be our future starter at C.

Quoted, just so I have both posts with my 'opinions for the day' together on the same page!

[gaspar]

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Here's a question - why do our roll guys always seem suffocated by opposing defenses? Don't we almost always have four shooters on the perimeter?

We're so painful to watch that I find myself enjoying these message boards more than the games. Ugghhh! You enough you eventually end up .

[thamadkant]

Suns can lead guard points in a pick and role and still be bottom feeder proves how crap they are in everything else that matter. Proves the reliance on players scoring individually away from being setup from an assists. Pelicans make sense since its the Anthony Davis show... But they are terrible too.

[Saberestar]

“If I had to guess I’d say there would be more early action this year,” McDonough said on Bright Side Night in an exclusive interview.

“Where teams are saying all right, we’re not going to wait until February, the trade deadline. Let’s do a deal in mid-December and solidify ourselves that extra 2+ months to integrate a guy and climb up the standings to make sure we are in the playoffs.”

"Let’s do it the right way,” he said of a potential playoff run. “Let’s not bury Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss and play the veterans 40 minutes a night to get it.”

“I know the Suns historically haven’t done that as much,” McDonough said. “Or at least not to the level that we are doing it, but I feel like it’s the most sustainable way to build a contending team in today’s NBA.”

He says every GM handles trade talk differently, and some are more open to discussing deals than others.

“I think the key for me is being honest and open,” McDonough said. “I’m probably more open with other GMs - not about evaluating the players on our roster - but saying here’s what we are looking to do, who do you like on our roster? I’ll go through your roster and tell you who we like. Just because I think that’s how deals get done.”

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/12/19/13993146/phoenix-suns-gm-trade-season-could-come-early-in-nba-this-year

[WeekapaugGroove]

"Let’s do it the right way,” he said of a potential playoff run. “Let’s not bury Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss and play the veterans 40 minutes a night to get it.”


I like this line of thinking... now make a move to actually make this happen.

[King4Day]

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I'd love for us to go after him. If we do, it would also mean trading Len since we aren't keeping both centers. I'd be super excited to watch our team if we landed Noel this year.

[AtheJ415]

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I'd love for us to go after him. If we do, it would also mean trading Len since we aren't keeping both centers. I'd be super excited to watch our team if we landed Noel this year.

Don't understand this. We need 2 centers. We could just as easily trade Tyson, who makes about what Len will make next year.

[King4Day]

I wonder if McD is afraid to make a big splash involving Bledsoe because that would be seen as his run as GM being a failure. So Sarver may not like it.
I would like to see a Knight for Noel style trade and then trade Len for whatever assets we can get.
Trading Tucker would be nice too. I could see trading him to the Cavs for Mo Williams and then cutting him, along with getting a future first. Why not.

[King4Day]

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I'd love for us to go after him. If we do, it would also mean trading Len since we aren't keeping both centers. I'd be super excited to watch our team if we landed Noel this year.

Don't understand this. We need 2 centers. We could just as easily trade Tyson, who makes about what Len will make next year.

I can understand why, but I'd rather have the veteran to put Noel under his wing.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

“If I had to guess I’d say there would be more early action this year,” McDonough said on Bright Side Night in an exclusive interview.

“Where teams are saying all right, we’re not going to wait until February, the trade deadline. Let’s do a deal in mid-December and solidify ourselves that extra 2+ months to integrate a guy and climb up the standings to make sure we are in the playoffs.”

"Let’s do it the right way,” he said of a potential playoff run. “Let’s not bury Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss and play the veterans 40 minutes a night to get it.”

“I know the Suns historically haven’t done that as much,” McDonough said. “Or at least not to the level that we are doing it, but I feel like it’s the most sustainable way to build a contending team in today’s NBA.”

He says every GM handles trade talk differently, and some are more open to discussing deals than others.

“I think the key for me is being honest and open,” McDonough said. “I’m probably more open with other GMs - not about evaluating the players on our roster - but saying here’s what we are looking to do, who do you like on our roster? I’ll go through your roster and tell you who we like. Just because I think that’s how deals get done.”

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/12/19/13993146/phoenix-suns-gm-trade-season-could-come-early-in-nba-this-year

Mighty encouraging!

I wonder if McD is afraid to make a big splash involving Bledsoe because that would be seen as his run as GM being a failure. So Sarver may not like it.

Don't you think McD's tone in that article would lead you the other direction? I love the fact that, even if McD is on the hot seat, he's committed to doing right by this team and its future by sticking with the rebuild. I may not love this team right now, but I still love the GM. He knows what's up.

[AtheJ415]

I'd love for us to go after him. If we do, it would also mean trading Len since we aren't keeping both centers. I'd be super excited to watch our team if we landed Noel this year.

Don't understand this. We need 2 centers. We could just as easily trade Tyson, who makes about what Len will make next year.

I can understand why, but I'd rather have the veteran to put Noel under his wing.

You can sign an aging vet for the minimum after trading Tyson.

[AtheJ415]

I'll clarify this a bit. I don't think Noel has more value than Len. Trading for Noel and trading Len does nothing for me. Trading Chandler and keeping both makes more sense to me, because at least then one will likely pan out and the other is the backup.

Noel is supposedly a defensive-minded big with a horrible work ethic and bad knees who is about to get paid. He is every bit as risky as Len, and so many are ready to build around him. I don't get it.

My personal preference is to trade Knight there, let Noel go elsewhere and get a pick in return. Then we can draft a center with a good work ethic and good knees, who is a fit for this system.

[carey]

Noel is supposedly a defensive-minded big with a horrible work ethic and bad knees who is about to get paid. He is every bit as risky as Len, and so many are ready to build around him. I don't get it.

M

Sure you do. It's because he's NOT Len and they haven't seen Noel's flaws up close and personal for the last 3 years like they have Alex's.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wonder if McD is afraid to make a big splash involving Bledsoe because that would be seen as his run as GM being a failure. So Sarver may not like it.
I would like to see a Knight for Noel style trade and then trade Len for whatever assets we can get.
Trading Tucker would be nice too. I could see trading him to the Cavs for Mo Williams and then cutting him, along with getting a future first. Why not.

Moving bledsoe for a great package shouldn't be viewed as a failure but would probably be his best example of asset management as a gm considering what they gave up to get bledsoe.

Now selling knight for whatever they can get would fall in that category. But to me that shouldnt matter either. Sometimes you just have to admit a trade didnt work out and move on.

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[OGBAH]

Suns Shump
Cavs Asik
Pels Knight

[RaisingArizona]

No thanks to Shump for me.

[AtheJ415]

No thanks to Shump for me.

Me too, although I think there is some logic in bringing a backup 2/3 who can compliment Warren and Booker. But that shifts to a 1/2 if we see Bender sticking at the 3/4 as opposed to a 4/5.

[DaleyBlind]

Noel is supposedly a defensive-minded big with a horrible work ethic and bad knees who is about to get paid. He is every bit as risky as Len, and so many are ready to build around him. I don't get it.

M

Sure you do. It's because he's NOT Len and they haven't seen Noel's flaws up close and personal for the last 3 years like they have Alex's.

Haha, this is so true. Im guilty of it myself.