NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[bwgood77]

Absolutely none.

Yeah the earliest that change would happen is the 2019 draft.

The NBA wants a thriving NCAA to channel college sports fans to the NBA. It is unlikely that any replacement system for young stars would be nearly as helpful to the ability of the NBA to attract new fans. It would take a remarkable event to get the NBA to drop the 1 year NCAA eligibility requirement.

Well Silver has been talking about it for quite a while now, though recently he said he was conflicted. But the idea was that he would implement the option of going straight to the NBA out of high school but if you went to college you'd have to go for two years.

In theory, this was supposed to help both sports.

[bwgood77]

If the Miami pick did drop to 12, would we feel comfortable taking Sexton there? I think we probably would and should, but, he has not been the player so far that I hoped he would be. I don't know if even at his optimal outcome that he is the player we want to put next to Booker, unless he can become a lockdown defender. Miles Bridges most likely would never drop that far, but he'd be a great pick. He can be Tobias Harris with better defense.

Just looking at numbers, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander looks like a better fit next to him. http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trevon-duval--shai-gilgeous-alexander--shake-milton--collin-sexton

[ATTL]

If the Miami pick did drop to 12, would we feel comfortable taking Sexton there? I think we probably would and should, but, he has not been the player so far that I hoped he would be. I don't know if even at his optimal outcome that he is the player we want to put next to Booker, unless he can become a lockdown defender. Miles Bridges most likely would never drop that far, but he'd be a great pick. He can be Tobias Harris with better defense.

I'd try like heck to get another mid lotto pick using the heat pick and other assets. One of the top 7 is probably going to drop and I'd like to get that guy.

[bwgood77]

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[bwgood77]

I guess you have to click on it to see what McConnell wrote.



Aaron Gordon and several others had good comments or tweets about him too.

[lilfishi22]

Yeah the earliest that change would happen is the 2019 draft.

The NBA wants a thriving NCAA to channel college sports fans to the NBA. It is unlikely that any replacement system for young stars would be nearly as helpful to the ability of the NBA to attract new fans. It would take a remarkable event to get the NBA to drop the 1 year NCAA eligibility requirement.

Well Silver has been talking about it for quite a while now, though recently he said he was conflicted. But the idea was that he would implement the option of going straight to the NBA out of high school but if you went to college you'd have to go for two years.

In theory, this was supposed to help both sports.

I don't think one and done is going away anytime soon. What I think makes a lot of sense is Cowherd on his show talking about how the NBA's (Silver's) nirvana is to have a fully developed G-League and encouraging players to forgo the whole NCAA system and play in the G-League instead giving teams and scouts a better look at prospects against NBA or near NBA talent rather than vs'ing just their peers in their age group. He makes the comparison to the European style of basketball development where teams have a youth development league/feeder league and players as young as 16 like Doncic/Rubio can play against grown men.

I haven't seen the metrics and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see NBA prospects going from college to the NBA converts many college basketball fans into NBA fans. I'd assume most are either a fan of both or they are one or the other. I have doubts there is high conversion rate or at least not enough that it's a notable source of new revenue.

[bwgood77]

The NBA wants a thriving NCAA to channel college sports fans to the NBA. It is unlikely that any replacement system for young stars would be nearly as helpful to the ability of the NBA to attract new fans. It would take a remarkable event to get the NBA to drop the 1 year NCAA eligibility requirement.

Well Silver has been talking about it for quite a while now, though recently he said he was conflicted. But the idea was that he would implement the option of going straight to the NBA out of high school but if you went to college you'd have to go for two years.

In theory, this was supposed to help both sports.

I don't think one and done is going away anytime soon. What I think makes a lot of sense is Cowherd on his show talking about how the NBA's (Silver's) nirvana is to have a fully developed G-League and encouraging players to forgo the whole NCAA system and play in the G-League instead giving teams and scouts a better look at prospects against NBA or near NBA talent rather than vs'ing just their peers in their age group. He makes the comparison to the European style of basketball development where teams have a youth development league/feeder league and players as young as 16 like Doncic/Rubio can play against grown men.

I haven't seen the metrics and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see NBA prospects going from college to the NBA converts many college basketball fans into NBA fans. I'd assume most are either a fan of both or they are one or the other. I have doubts there is high conversion rate or at least not enough that it's a notable source of new revenue.

College basketball will have it's fans regardless. I know tons of college basketball fans that could give two craps about the NCAA, and most of the time their team is lucky to have one NBA caliber player on it.

But I think most or at least many fans of both would love a 2 year rule because watching epic college matchups used to be great. Watching the fab 5 with Chriss Webber go against Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse was crazy. The funny thing is I don't even know if such rules were in place in the old days when guys like Jordan and Hakeem played 3 years in college.

I know back when Magic was a sophomore and Bird was a junior in college they met in the National Championship and it was the most watched college basketball game ever. Wow, just reading about Bird, he averaged 30.3, 13.3, and 4.6 over his college career. 14.9 rpg and 5.5 apg as a junior.

It seems a lot of NBA fans would like to see the young guys be able to come straight from high school but personally I'd rather have a two year rule because a third of the teams end up perpetually in the lottery while they are mostly in the business of developing their lottery picks and hoping they are not busts. With more college experience I think you get more ready players coming in the league, better competition from all teams, and fewer picks that are busts.

[Sunzgunz]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Silver lifts the 1 and done rule in time for this draft class with all the NCAA stuff coming out?

I wish! Based on recent events, I think the 'through-or-two' rule takes effect next season.

Just for fun, a guy from another message board put together what this year's draft would possibly look like if high schoolers were eligible for selection. He did it based on player power rating from his favorite website.

1) Deandre Ayton
2) Luka Doncic
3) Jaren Jackson Jr
4) R.J. Barrett
5) Marvin Bagley
6) Mo Bamba
7) Michael Porter
8) Bol Bol
9) Cameron Reddish
10) Wendel Carter
11) Zion Williamson
12) Trae Young
13) Kevin Knox
14) Collin Sexton
15) Mikal Bridges
16) Miles Bridges
17) Robert Williams
18) Romeo Langford
19) Sekou Doumbouya
20) Dzanan Musa
21) Zhaire Smith
22) Lonnie Walker
23) Daniel Gafford
24) Troy Brown
25) Nazreon Reid
26) Shai
27) Shake Milton
28) Simi Shittu
29) Keith Bates-Diop
30) Anfernee Simmons
31) Mitchell Robinson

I know its complete what if, 4 leaf clover, best case scenario, horse shoe rabbits foot dream. But if they did remove one and done, if we did win the lottery, if the heat gives us the number 12 and if we get the Bucks pick...lot of IFS i actually do think two are probable and one is possible. Nobody wants 4 rookies, but if so, Phoenix's Picks:

1) Ayton
12) Young
16) Bridges
31) Mitchell Robinson

Holy Smokes! Haha!

...ok, back to Earth!

[Walt_Uoob]

I guess if we think they're going to bring high schoolers back into the draft we should be hoping the MIL pick doesn't convey this year and instead conveys in whatever year that happens, so we get a mid-first in an extra deep draft.

[Sunzgunz]

I guess if we think they're going to bring high schoolers back into the draft we should be hoping the MIL pick doesn't convey this year and instead conveys in whatever year that happens, so we get a mid-first in an extra deep draft.

Yeah, thats exactly what i was saying, 2019 could be another interesting draft, unfortunately i think the bucks will find a way to give us that pick this year.

[lilfishi22]

I guess if we think they're going to bring high schoolers back into the draft we should be hoping the MIL pick doesn't convey this year and instead conveys in whatever year that happens, so we get a mid-first in an extra deep draft.

Yeah, thats exactly what i was saying, 2019 could be another interesting draft, unfortunately i think the bucks will find a way to give us that pick this year.

Even without the one and done rule, they still have the age rule (must be 19 in the calendar year of the draft). So I see the NBA pushing the through-or-two rule or developing the G-league more, making it a more attractive destination for straight out of HS prospects.

[Sunzgunz]

I guess if we think they're going to bring high schoolers back into the draft we should be hoping the MIL pick doesn't convey this year and instead conveys in whatever year that happens, so we get a mid-first in an extra deep draft.

Yeah, thats exactly what i was saying, 2019 could be another interesting draft, unfortunately i think the bucks will find a way to give us that pick this year.

Even without the one and done rule, they still have the age rule (must be 19 in the calendar year of the draft). So I see the NBA pushing the through-or-two rule or developing the G-league more, making it a more attractive destination for straight out of HS prospects.

Correct, but as it currently stands, they would still be draft elgible, so if it happens (through-or-two), 2019 would still remain a unique draft as it would potentially contain the class of 2018 and 2019, the caveat is that anyone who does not meet age eligibility would be assigned to the drafting teams G League affiliate until they satisfy the age requirement. Silver is pushing for a 20 year age requirement, whereas the Players Union remain steadfast at 18.

Buckle up, this could get bumpy folks

[jcsunsfan]

If the Miami pick did drop to 12, would we feel comfortable taking Sexton there? I think we probably would and should, but, he has not been the player so far that I hoped he would be. I don't know if even at his optimal outcome that he is the player we want to put next to Booker, unless he can become a lockdown defender. Miles Bridges most likely would never drop that far, but he'd be a great pick. He can be Tobias Harris with better defense.

I would prefer Shai, Shake, or even Shamet over Sexton.

Shake Milton has real possibilities.


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[thamadkant]

Seeing AD just dominate the league...
He used to be a PG then grew a lot in one year and became a big man... But his agility, skill level etc. Are still that of a wing man... And it shows.


Ardjin Penava is similar... Used to be PG then grew to be 6'9... And massive wingspan it seems... Leads the nation in blocks... Can hit 3s... Dribble... I really want the Suns to consider him in the late first round or early second round... Only 20 years old. I mentioned him being Jokic of the draft and I'm sticking by it... I see a small ball PF who would run and front face and shoot the 3... But then get blocks and steals in the other end.

[m1chal]

Seeing AD just dominate the league...
He used to be a PG then grew a lot in one year and became a big man... But his agility, skill level etc. Are still that of a wing man... And it shows.


Ardjin Penava is similar... Used to be PG then grew to be 6'9... And massive wingspan it seems... Leads the nation in blocks... Can hit 3s... Dribble... I really want the Suns to consider him in the late first round or early second round... Only 20 years old. I mentioned him being Jokic of the draft and I'm sticking by it... I see a small ball PF who would run and front face and shoot the 3... But then get blocks and steals in the other end.

Just to let you know this Penava guy was noticed by other boards as well, ie. Wiz board discussed him briefly. I wonder if GMs noticed him as well.

[bwgood77]

Only three freshman (which are all part of the top 7 by most accounts) are in the top 6 of this TPA metric in the NCAA

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https://nbamath.com/2017-18-ncaa-tpa/

[Blonde]

If the Miami pick did drop to 12, would we feel comfortable taking Sexton there? I think we probably would and should, but, he has not been the player so far that I hoped he would be. I don't know if even at his optimal outcome that he is the player we want to put next to Booker, unless he can become a lockdown defender. Miles Bridges most likely would never drop that far, but he'd be a great pick. He can be Tobias Harris with better defense.

I would prefer Shai, Shake, or even Shamet over Sexton.

Shake Milton has real possibilities.


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I agree about Shake and Shamet. Two of the most sure fire shooters from deep. Shake is one of my favorite guys in this class. Lower ceiling than Sexton but much better fit and could be had in the back half of the first. I’ve fallen a lot lower on Shai recently though.

[bwgood77]

If the Miami pick did drop to 12, would we feel comfortable taking Sexton there? I think we probably would and should, but, he has not been the player so far that I hoped he would be. I don't know if even at his optimal outcome that he is the player we want to put next to Booker, unless he can become a lockdown defender. Miles Bridges most likely would never drop that far, but he'd be a great pick. He can be Tobias Harris with better defense.

I would prefer Shai, Shake, or even Shamet over Sexton.

Shake Milton has real possibilities.


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I agree about Shake and Shamet. Two of the most sure fire shooters from deep. Shake is one of my favorite guys in this class. Lower ceiling than Sexton but much better fit and could be had in the back half of the first. I’ve fallen a lot lower on Shai recently though.

Shamet has an insane TS%, shoots a lot of 3s at a high % and also has the best ast/to ratio of this group. http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trevon-duval--shai-gilgeous-alexander--shake-milton--collin-sexton--landry-shamet

[In2ition]

I would prefer Shai, Shake, or even Shamet over Sexton.

Shake Milton has real possibilities.


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I agree about Shake and Shamet. Two of the most sure fire shooters from deep. Shake is one of my favorite guys in this class. Lower ceiling than Sexton but much better fit and could be had in the back half of the first. I’ve fallen a lot lower on Shai recently though.

Shamet has an insane TS%, shoots a lot of 3s at a high % and also has the best ast/to ratio of this group. http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trevon-duval--shai-gilgeous-alexander--shake-milton--collin-sexton--landry-shamet

Shhhhhhh! Shut the f up! He was my choice in the beginning of the 2nd round, and now you're going to ruin it.

[bwgood77]

So Ayton signs his letter of intent in Sept of 2016 and the wiretaps ESPN mentions were in 2017...then ESPN changed their story to put 2016, yet the FBI clearly says the wiretaps were on in June/Sept 17. This Schlabach guy seems like an idiot.

Further twisting the plot is that Dawkins has never been associated — to anyone’s knowledge — with Ayton. Ayton has had mentors/handlers involved in his process at different stages of his basketball career, but Dawkins has never been one of them.

Dawkins was working as a “runner” for NBA agent Andy Miller’s ASM Sports Group, whose records were seized as part of the FBI investigation.

Murkiness of the timelines aside, it does not rule out that compromising information was possibly found on the wiretaps, though those familiar with the conversations are highly dubious that it involved a $100,000 tag for Ayton to specifically sign with Arizona. Ayton was already on campus by the time any June 19-Sept. 25 Dawkins-Miller conversation occurred.

https://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Sean-Miller-met-Monday-with-Arizona-administrators-could-learn-fate-soon-115621971

The network initially reported that the phone call took place in the spring of 2017, before issuing two corrections, changing the date of the recorded phone call from “the spring of 2016” to the year of 2016.

On Monday, 247Sports reported that there were some serious holes in ESPN’s report, including the dates and content of the wiretaps.

Further questions regarding ESPN’s report are starting to pick up steam in the national media. On Tuesday morning on an interview with ESPN 680 out of Louisville, Yahoo! Sports’ Pat Forde said, “I think there is a lot of dispute about the ESPN report,” adding “There was nothing in the documents we reviewed that implicated Sean Miller.”

Miller did not coach in Arizona’s 98-93 overtime loss to Oregon on Saturday, releasing a statement before the game that “I am confident I will be vindicated.”

247Sports sources with knowledge of the content of the audio tapes – which remain under a federal seal – believe they would exonerate the coach of ESPN’s allegations.

While those tapes may not ever see the light of day, Miller and his lawyers have fought that the allegations against him are false. Now the ball is in the University of Arizona’s court.

https://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Conflicting-information-in-ESPNs-report-involving-Arizona-star-DeAndre-Ayton-coach-Sean-Miller-115594868