2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[BobbieL]

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So Ishbia is going to send out a FRP and Nurkic - -wonder what terrible contract he brings back

Patrick Williams from the Bulls perhaps? If thats the case - the Bulls should be sending a pick back

[SkyBill40]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

One player can be a difference maker. The question is: Which player, who might be pried loose from somewhere, is that player to get us over the wall?

Beal isn't that guy and I knew that much from the start. He's a nice complementary piece, but his contract is absurd for the availability you get from him. Butler is a much stronger player in general, even if he's a bit more of a firestarter in the locker room and on the court. There's risk and reward in every player; it's unknown as to what you'll get until you integrate them into your group.

If Butler were two years younger, maybe this might not be such a badly viewed trade idea. But even though he's still performing well, he's nearing the end of his career quickly. Signing him to anything long term is a bad idea, but we all know Ishbia has no issue with being the guy to put bad ideas into practice.

As far as moving on from Booker, well, that's a whole different scenario. It would be one that bears considerably more fruit than much else which has been floated, but I don't see him being moved unless we were able to pillage another team's resources and that never happens for us. I don't see Booker being moved unless he asks out. The only real scenario I see where that happens is if we're relegated to the bottom of the standings again and enduring another full rebuild. At that point, we might as well dangle that carrot out there to see who bites.

[dremill24]

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So Ishbia is going to send out a FRP and Nurkic - -wonder what terrible contract he brings back

Patrick Williams from the Bulls perhaps? If thats the case - the Bulls should be sending a pick back

I think if you're attaching a pick, you can get someone who isn't a totally toxic contract. Not getting some star or someone who is like a bargain value on his deal, but yeah someone like Pat is an even worse contract so I don't think he'd require PHX to add that pick.

I think you're looking at guys at the level of like Robert Williams, Rui Hachimura, Jonas Valanciunas...guys who necessarily aren't worth a 1st on their own, but if you're getting off Nurk AND getting a player who'd normally be worth a few 2nds, then maybe it evens out by including a late 1st.

[They_Them_Hatin]

How about making Beal feel welcomed and stop treating him like a scrub because of his contract.

Or maybe he stops playing like a scrub.

[Saberestar]

[Windhorst] "From my discussions with the
league--I think some teams that thought they
were out of this are coming back in because
it doesn't look like the Suns & Heat are going
to be able to consummate a deal. I think we
might see a team swoop in & get Jimmy at a
bargain price".

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/fobFeIJ6mA

It was always a long-shot, so I am not surprised about it.

If we try to get a solid/good player for Nurkic + FRP we need to try to get one with enough size and athleticism to play PF. Not sure who can be taht player, but it’s gonna be an interesting trade deadline.

[They_Them_Hatin]

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So Ishbia is going to send out a FRP and Nurkic - -wonder what terrible contract he brings back

Patrick Williams from the Bulls perhaps? If thats the case - the Bulls should be sending a pick back

The Bulls would have to pay to unload Williams.

[Slim Charless]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

One player can be a difference maker. The question is: Which player, who might be pried loose from somewhere, is that player to get us over the wall?

Beal isn't that guy and I knew that much from the start. He's a nice complementary piece, but his contract is absurd for the availability you get from him. Butler is a much stronger player in general, even if he's a bit more of a firestarter in the locker room and on the court. There's risk and reward in every player; it's unknown as to what you'll get until you integrate them into your group.

If Butler were two years younger, maybe this might not be such a badly viewed trade idea. But even though he's still performing well, he's nearing the end of his career quickly. Signing him to anything long term is a bad idea, but we all know Ishbia has no issue with being the guy to put bad ideas into practice.

As far as moving on from Booker, well, that's a whole different scenario. It would be one that bears considerably more fruit than much else which has been floated, but I don't see him being moved unless we were able to pillage another team's resources and that never happens for us. I don't see Booker being moved unless he asks out. The only real scenario I see where that happens is if we're relegated to the bottom of the standings again and enduring another full rebuild. At that point, we might as well dangle that carrot out there to see who bites.

Houston wants him, that's why they acquired our picks. Also have tons of young players so they are the team to raid.

I think a trade is possible if we make it-and get super killed in the play-in or the 1st round. Something that puts us in the spotlight and humiliate Ishbia. On a national scale. Seems that only a Booker trade can get us out of it. IMO

[dremill24]

How about making Beal feel welcomed and stop treating him like a scrub because of his contract.

Or maybe he stops playing like a scrub.

"Treat others the way you want to be treated.

Unless there's something you don't like about them, then treat them like ****."

[BobbieL]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

The fact that you and Puff are all about getting Butler, tells me all I need to know lol. Jimmy is a cancer and trading for him will kill this team's future for the rest of the decade. You think he'd bring a title to this team???

We won't even make it to the conference finals with him. Probably lose in the 1st tbh. No. It's time move on from Booker.

I want 0 trades until the summer when we need to call up Houston.

One player can be a difference maker. The question is: Which player, who might be pried loose from somewhere, is that player to get us over the wall?

Beal isn't that guy and I knew that much from the start. He's a nice complementary piece, but his contract is absurd for the availability you get from him. Butler is a much stronger player in general, even if he's a bit more of a firestarter in the locker room and on the court. There's risk and reward in every player; it's unknown as to what you'll get until you integrate them into your group.

If Butler were two years younger, maybe this might not be such a badly viewed trade idea. But even though he's still performing well, he's nearing the end of his career quickly. Signing him to anything long term is a bad idea, but we all know Ishbia has no issue with being the guy to put bad ideas into practice.

As far as moving on from Booker, well, that's a whole different scenario. It would be one that bears considerably more fruit than much else which has been floated, but I don't see him being moved unless we were able to pillage another team's resources and that never happens for us. I don't see Booker being moved unless he asks out. The only real scenario I see where that happens is if we're relegated to the bottom of the standings again and enduring another full rebuild. At that point, we might as well dangle that carrot out there to see who bites.

My concern is the extending of the contract at his age. He is a declining player. If this were a five years ago - that is one thing. But like Durant, they are nearing the end of their careers. They are still good players but they are not the same players they were

And if you go down the path of Booker, Durant and Butler - with the new CBA - you are screwed. Plus, if they use too many picks to trade for Butler and to dump Nurkic - they really won't have much less except pick swaps - so picks outside the lottery.

As for Booker - his value can only go down from here.

I think it would take more balls for ishbia to blow it up instead of trading for Butler. Butler may look like he is going "all in" but its really just a fantasy driven thought.

[They_Them_Hatin]

How about making Beal feel welcomed and stop treating him like a scrub because of his contract.

Or maybe he stops playing like a scrub.

"Treat others the way you want to be treated.

Unless there's something you don't like about them, then treat them like ****."

Okay? I’m supposed to be delusional because he got heckled like millions of athletes have and his kid was crying? They can go cry in their mansion. Anyway we’re stuck with the bum. Team needs to focus on trading their other bum Nurkic for a rotational player(s). You can go make a Beal appreciation thread and leave me alone.

[Sunsdeuce]

Not impressed by any info from so called “insiders” right now. All just common sense on what the Suns are trying to do.

[King4Day]

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So Ishbia is going to send out a FRP and Nurkic - -wonder what terrible contract he brings back

Patrick Williams from the Bulls perhaps? If thats the case - the Bulls should be sending a pick back

Bulls should be sending back 2 firsts if that were the case. Williams is awful, making his contract really bad.

[King4Day]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

Butler is what this team needs but we have a Bradley Beal problem. Chicago likely would have taken him but he won't waive his NTC. So Suns pretty much running out of options and the Heat already exploring other options as well to move Butler. Not sure what Ishbia can do at this point.

I would think this news means the idea of Butler to Phoenix has ended.
Pivot to Nurk has to be the move now. I think the players like Beal but don't like Nurk.

[BobbieL]

God bless some of you. The amount of absolute perpetulant bitching we've heard about BB and now some of you are like (in the nerdiest voice possible) "let's see what we got guys!" If JB is locked in he's a killer, exactly what this team needs as well as positionally.

Butler is what this team needs but we have a Bradley Beal problem. Chicago likely would have taken him but he won't waive his NTC. So Suns pretty much running out of options and the Heat already exploring other options as well to move Butler. Not sure what Ishbia can do at this point.

I would think this news means the idea of Butler to Phoenix has ended.
Pivot to Nurk has to be the move now. I think the players like Beal but don't like Nurk.

Ishbia being saved from himself because of a NTC in Beals contract

Beal shouldn't be booed - he should be celebrated so the team cannot make a stupid trade.

[Saberestar]

Gambo:

The 3 draft picks from Utah had zero to do with Jimmy Butler. Everyone thought that was tied to Jimmy, but it wasn't. 1) They expect to be good in 2031 so they felt they could make the trade which is risky. 2) They need picks to fill out the roster or make trades.

[King4Day]

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[TeamTragic]

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What?

[JRoy]

Does this mean PHX wants a reunion with Ayton?

[BobbieL]

Gambo:

The 3 draft picks from Utah had zero to do with Jimmy Butler. Everyone thought that was tied to Jimmy, but it wasn't. 1) They expect to be good in 2031 so they felt they could make the trade which is risky. 2) They need picks to fill out the roster or make trades.

WAtch Ishbia use all three picks for Jimmy Butler

I theory though - I agree that if they build the team right - these these FRPs could make the 2031 less valuable. But I also think to do that it means trading Booker and KD now so you can have 6-7 years to build your team back to the playoffs so the 2031 pick is a non-lottery pick

But ifyou use two picks to offload Beal in a Butler trade and one pick to offload Nurkic - that doesn't validate necessarily what Gambo said

[KdoubleDees23]

How about making Beal feel welcomed and stop treating him like a scrub because of his contract.

Or maybe he stops playing like a scrub.

Guy is trash, and shouldn't be a starter. If he can be a man and accept his role to better the team. He would be happy coming off the bench