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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#1841 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:10 pm

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sunskerr wrote:Booker is not a player on the level of SGA or Doncic who are his peers in terms of similar age/position. Like if you trade KD you are basically betting that Booker takes THAT leap next year OR you are betting we get another Chris Paul walking through the doors. But I don't see it happening. He like...MIGHT be a top 10-15 player in the league (he certainly could be - this year has been kind of down for him) but there is still a standard deviation of skill/impact between being top 15 and top 5.

It's not a very high percentage play to build around Booker imo. Of course, we can try to retool, then if it fails trade him mid-season to the Rockets for the remainder of our picks + young players + whomever they take with our pick this year. Im guessing that's still on the table.

Idk, maybe KD really is that much of a burden on the locker room. It's not out of the question. But I'm looking at the rest of the roster and the cap space/assets we have to work with and even if KD is a cancer/negative for morale, we're still working with the most meager scraps. If we're comparing similar teams to a Booker/Beal potential lead duo, wouldn't the Blazers with Lillard+McCollum be considered superior? And they didn't do anything of note.

It's funny but looking back it really is just that simple that our problems came from passing on Doncic/Hali. That would've taken so much pressure off the future of our franchise. But I know we can only work with what we have and y'all gotta be tired of hearing that from me.

And maybe not to rub salt in the wounds but the Lakers keeping Reeves in a Luka trade is...wild. Yep, that's his O-EPM at +3.2. Their path post-LeBron might be Reeves as the #2 playmaker behind Doncic. And if nothing else he's a big time asset to use if need be.

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I don't nescessarily think he won't trade Booker at all. I think he wants a star-for money among other reasons but a rebuild most likely is not in his viewpoint. So what if we trade Booker for another star? Someone that can sell tickets and jerseys?

LaMelo and Trae seem like options there and would solve the PG issue. Booker has better value than both of those guys so we might be able to get something else on top of them.


How much longer do you suppose that Ishbia will stay in denial and try to hold onto Booker or else he chooses to ask out/ demand a trade? I'm thinking Ishbia will try and push this catastrophe for another 2-3 years, but Booker may only hang on for about another two years or so.

Of those two players ( both great names by the way) I personally think I'd prefer Ball for his size and versatility and style of play. But I'm not sure what else in value would come back if in a Booker trade though? Not sure of the value gap man?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#1842 » by Rebound Mound » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:24 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I say full rebuild because our current condition offers no assets, very limited youth development, no picks for trades, massive redundancy and dysfunctional positional roster composition, critical issues on all levels as you yourself even pointed out, and worst of all, our entire culture has been fractured for multiple seasons now. We're so soft, passive, mentally fragile and apathetic, that I just don't see how changing out a few pieces here and there is going to fix anything?


I believe we will have the assets we get for KD, Beal and Oneale, which could be very valuable. Useful for a good retool. I even believe that just trading Beal and Oneale could land us two good players, PG and PF, who could round up a good and talented roster.

The thing is that talented PGs are scarce.

PG
Booker
KD
PF
Richards
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Gillespie
Allen
Dunn
Bol
Oso
Plumlee

Maybe the bench is a little weak, but the starting 5, with the correct PG and PF, could be awesome.
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Post#1843 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:01 pm

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This package is decent, but I wouldn't consider it at all without their 25' 1st ( DET)- 20th pick. Then I'd send Randle/ Martins' expiring and a 1st to Denver for Michael Porter Jr. This would give three potent high-level offensive weapons in Booker, Beal, and Porter Jr. And I'd also trade Dillingham to Brooklyn for the 25' Bucks 1st (22nd pick) and the BRK 25' 2nd (37th pick).
Then I'd follow this up with:

NBA DRAFT
22- Rasheer Fleming.
29- Carter Bryant.
37- Tyrese Proctor.
55- Kobe Brea.

- Trade Allen to Orlando for Bidatze.
- Trade O'neale to San Antonio for Sochan/ 25' Spurs 2nd (39th pick).
- Sign Paul on vet min ( ask him to consider joining coaching staff after season)??

Booker/ Beal/ McDaniels/ MPJr / Bidatze.
Paul/Di Vencenzo/ Dunn/ Bol Bol/ Richards.
Gillespie/ Brea/ Sochan/ Ighodaro/ Raynaud (Pau Gasol 2.0)

G League two-ways (3 allowable)
1- Tyrese Proctor. 6'5 Mike Conley.
2- Carter Bryant. PJ Washington.
3- Rasheer Fleming. Antonio Mcdyess/ Dale Davis.
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Post#1844 » by wheezy » Thu Mar 6, 2025 6:24 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:Beal does not work well with KD and Booker because they need a good defender and scorer as the third option. Like say for Boston Jrue Holiday. It's not all on Beal he can play some defense at times but is not consistent. I would rather trade Beal and keep Durant and Booker. The problem is Beal is impossible to trade due to his NTC. So yeah the Beal trade ruined the KD and Booker era of Suns basketball.

Beal does seem like he can lock in defensively at times, but he has a weird defensive stance.... When he gets set his feet are weirdly far out almost like he's knock kneed.
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Post#1845 » by BobbieL » Thu Mar 6, 2025 6:56 pm

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sunskerr wrote:Booker is not a player on the level of SGA or Doncic who are his peers in terms of similar age/position. Like if you trade KD you are basically betting that Booker takes THAT leap next year OR you are betting we get another Chris Paul walking through the doors. But I don't see it happening. He like...MIGHT be a top 10-15 player in the league (he certainly could be - this year has been kind of down for him) but there is still a standard deviation of skill/impact between being top 15 and top 5.

It's not a very high percentage play to build around Booker imo. Of course, we can try to retool, then if it fails trade him mid-season to the Rockets for the remainder of our picks + young players + whomever they take with our pick this year. Im guessing that's still on the table.

Idk, maybe KD really is that much of a burden on the locker room. It's not out of the question. But I'm looking at the rest of the roster and the cap space/assets we have to work with and even if KD is a cancer/negative for morale, we're still working with the most meager scraps. If we're comparing similar teams to a Booker/Beal potential lead duo, wouldn't the Blazers with Lillard+McCollum be considered superior? And they didn't do anything of note.

It's funny but looking back it really is just that simple that our problems came from passing on Doncic/Hali. That would've taken so much pressure off the future of our franchise. But I know we can only work with what we have and y'all gotta be tired of hearing that from me.

And maybe not to rub salt in the wounds but the Lakers keeping Reeves in a Luka trade is...wild. Yep, that's his O-EPM at +3.2. Their path post-LeBron might be Reeves as the #2 playmaker behind Doncic. And if nothing else he's a big time asset to use if need be.

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I don't nescessarily think he won't trade Booker at all. I think he wants a star-for money among other reasons but a rebuild most likely is not in his viewpoint. So what if we trade Booker for another star? Someone that can sell tickets and jerseys?

LaMelo and Trae seem like options there and would solve the PG issue. Booker has better value than both of those guys so we might be able to get something else on top of them.


How much longer do you suppose that Ishbia will stay in denial and try to hold onto Booker or else he chooses to ask out/ demand a trade? I'm thinking Ishbia will try and push this catastrophe for another 2-3 years, but Booker may only hang on for about another two years or so.

Of those two players ( both great names by the way) I personally think I'd prefer Ball for his size and versatility and style of play. But I'm not sure what else in value would come back if in a Booker trade though? Not sure of the value gap man?


My hope is that Ishbia is using the media to get the message out they aren't trading Booker to keep his value higher. Than come summer, he and Booker can talk and he is going to tell him "we need to trade you"

For the people that want to see what a Durant trade can bring you - thats fair. I don't think it will be enough but fair to at least see what a Durant trade brings. Maybe they will be blown out of the water
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Post#1846 » by Fo-Real » Thu Mar 6, 2025 7:32 pm

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Post#1850 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Mar 6, 2025 7:58 pm

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So far, there are 5 teams heavily interested in KD this summer! Those teams are:

1- Minnesota.
2- Lakers.
3- Dallas.
4- San Antonio.
5- Miami.

What teams do you guys think can offer the best packages for KD, and what packages would you guys expect back from each team in a KD trade??
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Post#1851 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Mar 6, 2025 8:06 pm

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I guess that clearly excludes us! Maybe a Ball for Morant swap would be best for both teams.
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Post#1852 » by Fo-Real » Thu Mar 6, 2025 8:07 pm

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Post#1854 » by Slim Charless » Thu Mar 6, 2025 9:25 pm

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Good.

More teams, the better. Durant will have a lot of say in this so hopefully we get a big list of teams from him. 4 would be perfect that he'll accept.
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Post#1855 » by BobbieL » Thu Mar 6, 2025 9:50 pm

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Good.

More teams, the better. Durant will have a lot of say in this so hopefully we get a big list of teams from him. 4 would be perfect that he'll accept.


Now if Ishbia can get Booker on board with a trade.... pay off his house in PV, buy him a new car -- just facilitate a trade of DBooker

Now the Suns would be on the right path
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Post#1856 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:33 pm

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bullsaficianado wrote:Beal does not work well with KD and Booker because they need a good defender and scorer as the third option. Like say for Boston Jrue Holiday. It's not all on Beal he can play some defense at times but is not consistent. I would rather trade Beal and keep Durant and Booker. The problem is Beal is impossible to trade due to his NTC. So yeah the Beal trade ruined the KD and Booker era of Suns basketball.

Beal does seem like he can lock in defensively at times, but he has a weird defensive stance.... When he gets set his feet are weirdly far out almost like he's knock kneed.

He's always looked a bit knock kneed. Especially prominent when he crosses over and pulls up. Wish I could find a better gif

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Post#1857 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:35 am

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Am I wrong that the wolves will be below the second apron if they Randle opts out?

If so, Gobert + Donte for KD would benefit both teams IMO.

Suns get a defensive anchor and structure their offense around Booker/Beal.

Minnesota creates a 5 out team around Edwards by bringing in KD and re-signing Read.
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Post#1858 » by Slim Charless » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:24 am

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Am I wrong that the wolves will be below the second apron if they Randle opts out?

If so, Gobert + Donte for KD would benefit both teams IMO.

Suns get a defensive anchor and structure their offense around Booker/Beal.

Minnesota creates a 5 out team around Edwards by bringing in KD and re-signing Read.


We need some actual value though. Gobert and McDaniels is doable. We don't need another SG off the bench with Royce plus Beal.

We'll send them Greyson to make the money even.
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Post#1859 » by Calvin Klein » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:26 am

Lamelo? Please no. Don’t even bring it up
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Post#1860 » by Slim Charless » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:31 am

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So far, there are 5 teams heavily interested in KD this summer! Those teams are:

1- Minnesota.
2- Lakers.
3- Dallas.
4- San Antonio.
5- Miami.

What teams do you guys think can offer the best packages for KD, and what packages would you guys expect back from each team in a KD trade??


I don't think SAS will give us Castle so I like Miami the best of actual players. Unless Dallas jumps into the top 7. Riles will give us Jovic and their pick for sure and we might be able to steal Ware.

I guess SAS has a lot of picks but I'm not sure we'll want a pick heavy trade if we're keeping Booker. I'm also not sure they'll be as high on KDs list as the others.

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