Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

nevetsov · Post #1861 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:37 am

bwgood77 wrote:If we lost Brandan Wright because he decided he'd rather play elsewhere, what big (realistically) would you want to go after? Koufos? Jordan Hill?

I would definitely overpay Wright before I would overpay Knight (Bledsoe trade notwithstanding). Wright fills a much greater need for our team and is a rarer commodity on today's market.

To answer your question, Koufos would be a solid option... But would he be any cheaper than Wright?

Post #1862 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:50 am

nevetsov wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lost Brandan Wright because he decided he'd rather play elsewhere, what big (realistically) would you want to go after? Koufos? Jordan Hill?

I would definitely overpay Wright before I would overpay Knight (Bledsoe trade notwithstanding). Wright fills a much greater need for our team and is a rarer commodity on today's market.

To answer your question, Koufos would be a solid option... But would he be any cheaper than Wright?

No, I don't think he would be cheaper than Wright, and he wants to start, which could be a problem, but Wright could choose to go elsewhere simply because he'd rather live somewhere else or someone could give him an outrageous offer.

I've always liked Jordan Hill as a backup big. High energy guy. Good rebounder.

RaisingArizona · Post #1863 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:56 am

nevetsov wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lost Brandan Wright because he decided he'd rather play elsewhere, what big (realistically) would you want to go after? Koufos? Jordan Hill?

I would definitely overpay Wright before I would overpay Knight (Bledsoe trade notwithstanding). Wright fills a much greater need for our team and is a rarer commodity on today's market.

To answer your question, Koufos would be a solid option... But would he be any cheaper than Wright?

Ew, no way. Wright is a solid backup on a contender. Knight is a starter on a contender. Their star potential is far apart, IMO.

nevetsov · Post #1864 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:14 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
nevetsov wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lost Brandan Wright because he decided he'd rather play elsewhere, what big (realistically) would you want to go after? Koufos? Jordan Hill?

I would definitely overpay Wright before I would overpay Knight (Bledsoe trade notwithstanding). Wright fills a much greater need for our team and is a rarer commodity on today's market.

To answer your question, Koufos would be a solid option... But would he be any cheaper than Wright?

Ew, no way. Wright is a solid backup on a contender. Knight is a starter on a contender. Their star potential is far apart, IMO.

I haven't seen anything from Knight yet that indicates he is anything more that an average starting PG. I rate him currently around the 15-20 mark in that respect. And with Bled here the opportunity to fully showcase his natural skills are unknown. Hopefully, with more time and consistent minutes he can perform at a higher level.

Wright is a known commodity and fits in well as a premium backup C and spot starter as insurance against another Len injury. That to me is worth more than a redundant PG, which in the league are a dime a dozen. But that's just me.

KLEON · Post #1865 » by **KLEON** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:21 am

So Amare is interested in coming back to the Suns.

AtheJ415 · Post #1866 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:26 am

Can Khris Middleton play the 3?

Saberestar · Post #1867 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:28 am

KLEON wrote:So Amare is interested in coming back to the Suns.

Source?

oldjeezy · Post #1868 » by **oldjeezy** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:31 am

Saberestar wrote:
KLEON wrote:So Amare is interested in coming back to the Suns.

Source?

Jared Zwerling: Chatted w/ Amar’e Stoudemire today. For free agency, high on Dallas return. Even Phoenix. And won’t be opposed to NY return. Loves Triangle.

DirtyDez · Post #1869 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:36 am

KLEON wrote:So Amare is interested in coming back to the Suns.

Those are the types of FA we can except. :nonono:

bhawk · Post #1870 » by **bhawk** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:13 am

The Eric Bledsoe clause...

"This stance against the “we’ll-match-any-offer” rhetoric is right in line with the approach NPBA executive director Michele Roberts has taken since she started as the leader of the players’ union. It’s exactly what she should be doing. Restricted free agency is a tricky issue, because the NBA wants teams, particularly those in small markets, to have a mechanism to keep their young stars, and the players want the freedom to choose their own teams.

There is some merit to the idea that a team saying publicly that they’ll match all offers can kill a player’s earning power and leverage. Under normal circumstances, Eric Bledsoe would have been one of the most sought-after free agents on the market last summer, but teams were so convinced that the Suns would match their offer sheets that they showed no appetite whatsoever for going after him. Bledsoe dangled in restricted free agency until almost the start of training camp, when he finally agreed to a five-year, $70 million deal to stay with the Suns. Roberts wants to prevent a similar situation from taking place with someone like Butler or Middleton."

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/19/report-nba-attempting-to-discourage-teams-from-saying-theyll-match-offers-on-restricted-free-agents/

RunDogGun · Post #1871 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:20 am

Can't teams just say,"we will do the unmentionable"? Or "Our goal is to retain so and so at all costs"?

Post #1872 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:34 am

Wouldn't mind getting Amare back if (when) we strike out with Love and Aldridge.

Flying Colors · Post #1873 » by **Flying Colors** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:09 am

if Eric wanted freedom, he should have taken the QO

Post #1874 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:31 am

bhawk wrote:The Eric Bledsoe clause...

"This stance against the “we’ll-match-any-offer” rhetoric is right in line with the approach NPBA executive director Michele Roberts has taken since she started as the leader of the players’ union. It’s exactly what she should be doing. Restricted free agency is a tricky issue, because the NBA wants teams, particularly those in small markets, to have a mechanism to keep their young stars, and the players want the freedom to choose their own teams.

There is some merit to the idea that a team saying publicly that they’ll match all offers can kill a player’s earning power and leverage. Under normal circumstances, Eric Bledsoe would have been one of the most sought-after free agents on the market last summer, but teams were so convinced that the Suns would match their offer sheets that they showed no appetite whatsoever for going after him. Bledsoe dangled in restricted free agency until almost the start of training camp, when he finally agreed to a five-year, $70 million deal to stay with the Suns. Roberts wants to prevent a similar situation from taking place with someone like Butler or Middleton."

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/19/report-nba-attempting-to-discourage-teams-from-saying-theyll-match-offers-on-restricted-free-agents/

I didn't see this article, but when I saw on the news feed here that Rich Paul was behind this, it made me think it definitely had to do with the Bledsoe stuff last summer.

AtheJ415 · Post #1875 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:47 am

nevetsov wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
nevetsov wrote:
I would definitely overpay Wright before I would overpay Knight (Bledsoe trade notwithstanding). Wright fills a much greater need for our team and is a rarer commodity on today's market.

To answer your question, Koufos would be a solid option... But would he be any cheaper than Wright?

Ew, no way. Wright is a solid backup on a contender. Knight is a starter on a contender. Their star potential is far apart, IMO.

I haven't seen anything from Knight yet that indicates he is anything more that an average starting PG. I rate him currently around the 15-20 mark in that respect. And with Bled here the opportunity to fully showcase his natural skills are unknown. Hopefully, with more time and consistent minutes he can perform at a higher level.

Wright is a known commodity and fits in well as a premium backup C and spot starter as insurance against another Len injury. That to me is worth more than a redundant PG, which in the league are a dime a dozen. But that's just me.

List the PG's Knight's age or younger who are as good or better than him. There aren't many. Knight is drastically better than Wright. The fact that there are a ton of outstanding PGs who are much older than Knight doesn't change that.

AtheJ415 · Post #1876 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:50 am

Flying Colors wrote:if Eric wanted freedom, he should have taken the QO

It's also not true in a lot of respects. Teams say they will match any offer all the time, and the teams that want them offer them huge deals anyways (see Gordon Hayward, Chandler Parsons, etc.". People didn't with Bledsoe because PG is extraordinarily deep and the teams needing him didn't have space to offer a huge deal.

mirv · Post #1877 » by **mirv** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:38 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Can Khris Middleton play the 3?

He predominantly plays the 3.

SideSwipe · Post #1878 » by **SideSwipe** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:32 am

oldjeezy wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
KLEON wrote:So Amare is interested in coming back to the Suns.

Source?

Jared Zwerling: Chatted w/ Amar’e Stoudemire today. For free agency, high on Dallas return. Even Phoenix. And won’t be opposed to NY return. Loves Triangle.

Posted this yesterday in the Front Court Help Required topic regarding Amare. I think he would fit nicely with our current group given how Len's defense is coming along. It would be good if he also came along with a young 4 (Kamisky maybe) who could share time with him there. Maybe move the Morrii for another package. I know Love and Aldridge are targets, but Stoudemire would certainly seem to be more realistic....THEY CAN REBUILD HIM....

SideSwipe wrote:The word is flexibility. Suns need to be able to go big or small. Front court help is definitely required. More at the 4 than the 5, IMO. It sounds crazy but we need front court interior scoring....Stoudemire would be great. People keep laughing at it, but I think a trade for PAU or signing Stoudemire would do wonders for us. I think Pau actually fits better than Stoudemire based on need right now, but we could do both if we lost out on Wright who is actually the perfect backup at the 4 or 5 for us.

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Pau/ Morris/
Len/ Wright

or

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Pau/ Morris
Len/ Stoudemire

Every starting player in those lineups can play two positions pretty effectively. Some two positions, some three. That flexibility will allow us to rotate players through the lineup quickly and keep up the pace.

The alternate to the above would be to draft Kaminsky or Booker at #13, grab Stoudemire and re-sign Wright

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock/ Booker (maybe)
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Stoudemire/ Morris/ Kaminsky (maybe)
Len/ Wright/

AtheJ415 · Post #1879 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:51 am

SideSwipe wrote:
oldjeezy wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Source?

Jared Zwerling: Chatted w/ Amar’e Stoudemire today. For free agency, high on Dallas return. Even Phoenix. And won’t be opposed to NY return. Loves Triangle.

Posted this yesterday in the Front Court Help Required topic regarding Amare. I think he would fit nicely with our current group given how Len's defense is coming along. It would be good if he also came along with a young 4 (Kamisky maybe) who could share time with him there. Maybe move the Morrii for another package. I know Love and Aldridge are targets, but Stoudemire would certainly seem to be more realistic....THEY CAN REBUILD HIM....

SideSwipe wrote:The word is flexibility. Suns need to be able to go big or small. Front court help is definitely required. More at the 4 than the 5, IMO. It sounds crazy but we need front court interior scoring....Stoudemire would be great. People keep laughing at it, but I think a trade for PAU or signing Stoudemire would do wonders for us. I think Pau actually fits better than Stoudemire based on need right now, but we could do both if we lost out on Wright who is actually the perfect backup at the 4 or 5 for us.

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Pau/ Morris/
Len/ Wright

or

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Pau/ Morris
Len/ Stoudemire

Every starting player in those lineups can play two positions pretty effectively. Some two positions, some three. That flexibility will allow us to rotate players through the lineup quickly and keep up the pace.

The alternate to the above would be to draft Kaminsky or Booker at #13, grab Stoudemire and re-sign Wright

Bledsoe/ Goodwin
Knight/ Bullock/ Booker (maybe)
Granger/ Warren/ Morris
Stoudemire/ Morris/ Kaminsky (maybe)
Len/ Wright/

I'd be okay with Amare, but I anticipate we draft a 4/5 in this draft who makes him unnecessary on this team. We'll see. If there's anyway we can grab pick 11 and keep 13 we could address the 4, and 3 or 1 in this draft. It would really open up FA.

AtheJ415 · Post #1880 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:52 am

mirv wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Can Khris Middleton play the 3?

He predominantly plays the 3.

Nice. He'd probably be the best we could conceivably get in FA. ESPN lists him as a 2 for some reason.

Anybody know how much cap space Milwaukee is anticipated to have?