The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[JTrain]

I don't see any need to sign and trade. We will get better value by letting him take the 4/48 deal and then patiently waiting for the right trade, hopefully during this season but possibly next.

[bwgood77]

I don't see any need to sign and trade. We will get better value by letting him take the 4/48 deal and then patiently waiting for the right trade, hopefully during this season but possibly next.

I don't think anyone would rather trade him then for him to take that deal. But obviously he's not going to take that deal, at least not any time soon. Sarver already said he'd be willing to get together and continue negotiations, so he's bound to get some more money. The question is; how much?

[bwgood77]

The only way Phoenix comes out of this offseason as losers is by moving Bledsoe for anything other than a great return. You don't continue to repeat the Joe Johnson situation.

So you're ok if for whatever reason they gave him the full five year max? I think that's a lose situation too. I think it's extremely unlikely that were to happen, but there are other ways that I think would be a loss. I think he's a liablity at 16+ a year.

If it doesn't take up our designated player since he is a free agent and not an extension, I actually could see us ending up at something like 5/65, which is just a million more a year and an extra year. If he's healthy and keeps improving, that would be a win because it locks him up for longer.

Of course we don't know if he can remain healthy so there is a little more risk, but if we are set to give him 4 years anyway, I assume they expect a healthy Bledsoe.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Bledsoe doesn't want to stay in Phoenix. But he will for a 'max' or very near max deal.

We don't want him in Phoenix for more than 12ish million.

No one else wants Bledsoe right now for 'max' or near max money.

At the start they did but we threatened to insist on a physical and what not. And drag the period out longer. Cap space ad willingness to spend dried up in the interim.

NO ONE will pay Bledsoe Max money AND give up any decent assets. NO ONE.

So here we are...

It's not getting done soon. There are no relevant S&T deals with enough temptations.

We'll wait it out and hope he isn't stupid enough to take the QO. And he won't be.

We win.

If we get a bad start look for a good trade at the deadline. Teams like Bledsoe at 12 million. If he gets out of the gate and does what he does when healthy he becomes a great asset at 12 million.

This isn't getting resolved soon.

Exactly what I have been saying. He just doesn't want to be in phx. His actions and nonactions spoke louder than words.

My message to Bledsoe: bye!

I bet there are a few teams interested like the rockets and lakers. It's just a matter of return on investment.

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I still LOL at the people who think he'd actually take the QO. He'd sign, play his years out (hopefully and presumably good; similar to Steph Curry) and when his next deal is ready to sign, he signs max anywhere he wants or with the Suns for more money. With TV deal coming up in 2 years, it doesn't even make sense to sign max next season. He'll be in his prime when this deal is up and with cap rising and new TV deals, way more money and advantages for him.

Worst case, he's trade bait with a good contract. best case, he plays hard, shuts hit mouth, goes to work and gets us W. I guess thats best case, lol.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I don't see any need to sign and trade. We will get better value by letting him take the 4/48 deal and then patiently waiting for the right trade, hopefully during this season but possibly next.

And I think this may been the Suns thinking since the day they acquired Bledsoe. Get him on a good contract, build up his "resume" and then move him as a big step towards becoming a title contender. If there is any truth to Bledsoe not wanting to play in Phoenix...or I should say for the Suns, it could be rooted in him & Paul sniffing out/suspecting this possible Suns grand plan. In short- Bledsoe could end up somewhere he REALLY doesn't want to be for years if he signs with the Suns for reasonable numbers. I doubt he has any qualms about playing in Phoenix and being part of a rising team. Getting stuck for 3 or 4 years in Sacramento would be a huge bummer.

I can't blame Eric if any of this is hypothesizing were to be true.

[AtheJ415]

I don't see any need to sign and trade. We will get better value by letting him take the 4/48 deal and then patiently waiting for the right trade, hopefully during this season but possibly next.

I don't think anyone would rather trade him then for him to take that deal. But obviously he's not going to take that deal, at least not any time soon. Sarver already said he'd be willing to get together and continue negotiations, so he's bound to get some more money. The question is; how much?

I still think that at the end of the day if it was between taking this deal and the QO, he takes the deal. People don't risk $48 mil to win $5-8 mil, particularly with an injury history. He hasn't taken it yet and his agent is acting like a child but that's because it's the only card he has left to play. He knows he can always get the 48 mil offer, so he has no incentive to go ahead and sign and get this over with. He can only gain by refusing to sign and dragging this out longer, hoping a team like Mil finally decides to throw him a better one.

[Nando88]

It's nice to have a guard like Isaiah Thomas who put up great numbers last season and who WANTS to be here.

I'm over Bledsoe and his agent.


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[narmenta]

That doesn't make him a bad person. It's just his preference. I would rather live in San Diego and make it my home than Phoenix. Austin. Seattle. Denver. I would rather work and live in certain locations that appeal to me.

I live where I live because they wanted to pay me a lot more to do what I do.

He's butthurt on it. He had a team that wanted to offer him a big payday. We used the rules and they backed off. The market shrunk. He should be butthurt. We cost him millions. You would be butthurt too.

This is business. Business is butthurt city in its very nature.

It's funny, I've lived in San Diego, Phoenix, Austin and Denver, and I would have thought prior to living in all the places it would be my preference. But I actually don't like it better than any of the other places. I love the beach, weather and Chargers, but outside of that, I like the other cities better. I loved Denver. Austin is great in it's unique way. I don't think I'd like Seattle though.

Poor writing. I meant I would also rather live in Austin, Seattle, and Denver than Phoenix. Not San Diego above all. I was born and raised in Glendale. Went to Ironwood high school. I miss some things. Mostly the Suns. But I'd rather live in the other cities. To live in Phoenix I would have to get a little more money from my job.

I went to Ironwood as well.. what year?

[JTrain]

This is a great mystery. I believe Traxxe that Bledsoe doesn't want to be in Phoenix, but I can't figure out where he wants to be and why. There is of course plenty of speculation, but none of the theories are all that compelling to me.

Perhaps he has a very short list of teams he is interested in playing for or players he is interested in playing with. And if so, that could at least explain why he is seemingly keeping the QO as a live option, despite its massive risks. The QO is the only option that would leave him the freedom to pursue any team.

I hate to go back to the tweet but we don't have much evidence to work with. People thought the exit interview wasn't indicative of anything too, but it looks like that may have been wrong. And of course, there could be alternate explanations why he favorited it, but none seem to be as likely as the primary one: He liked the content.

[RunDogGun]

Is it really a matter of living in a city? Yep, way too tough to live in PHX for the seven months of your season, which are pretty much the best months to live in AZ, and have a buttload of money to live in another city/state/country for the months you are not playing.

Isn't Bledsoe from Alabama, and there right now? Way better than PHX.

[sunsbum]

Excuse me. How are some of you chastizing us for not wanting bledsoe? If the dude doesn't want to be a phoenix sun for his market value then trade his ass to China for the rights to yao ming for all I care. Watch how fast we get a deal done for Goran next year. Dude wants to be here. IT hasn't even put on a suns jersey yet, wants to be here. I'm not really into Bledsoe's low ass IQ and terrible decision making up to this point. I mean, I don't know what else to call it if he's still taking selfies with that joke of an agent. Its not just him holding out that's pissing us off, its the entire situation starting from the beginning of last season.

[Frank Lee]

Excuse me. How are some of you chastizing us for not wanting bledsoe? If the dude doesn't want to be a phoenix sun for his market value then trade his ass to China for the rights to yao ming for all I care. Watch how fast we get a deal done for Goran next year. Dude wants to be here. IT hasn't even put on a suns jersey yet, wants to be here. I'm not really into Bledsoe's low ass IQ and terrible decision making up to this point. I mean, I don't know what else to call it if he's still taking selfies with that joke of an agent. Its not just him holding out that's pissing us off, its the entire situation starting from the beginning of last season.

Bam Bam from the Bum

Agree 1000%

Getting more assets for moving him should and could be the eventual goal.

Henson, and may be Knight along with another pick should not be only gauged on how it improves us this yr, as all of those assets can be turned into something else. McDo can weave straw into gold in a Rumplestiltskinish manner.
And both of those guys are young. If Frye can evolve into a stretch four, Henson surely can with the proper coaching. We do have that, right?

My list would say West makes us the best this yr, Josh Smith would be fun to have, and Henson/Knight/Pick is a good haul for .... dudley er... Bledsoak.

Its too bad Bledsoe does not realize this is a great place for him to thrive to levels he has yet to achieve.

[Jdiddy701]

I just don't get why he wouldn't want to play for Phoenix. Can't see him being happy with other teammates other than the Clippers. He was real tight with Green and the Morris twins.


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[JTrain]

Is it really a matter of living in a city? Yep, way too tough to live in PHX for the seven months of your season, which are pretty much the best months to live in AZ, and have a buttload of money to live in another city/state/country for the months you are not playing.

Isn't Bledsoe from Alabama, and there right now? Way better than PHX.

Yeah I don't get how players would be really like/dislike cities enough to matter unless they just absolutely hate cold weather or they have family in certain cities. For about five months they can be anywhere in the world, and even during the season they are on the road for a good three months. Even when at their team's city during the season, they are mostly practicing, working out or resting in some gated community mansion on the outskirts of town. Not really much time to get attached to a city's culture.

[Christine-In-AZ]

This is a great mystery. I believe Traxxe that Bledsoe doesn't want to be in Phoenix, but I can't figure out where he wants to be and why. There is of course plenty of speculation, but none of the theories are all that compelling to me.

Perhaps he has a very short list of teams he is interested in playing for or players he is interested in playing with. And if so, that could at least explain why he is seemingly keeping the QO as a live option, despite its massive risks. The QO is the only option that would leave him the freedom to pursue any team.

I hate to go back to the tweet but we don't have much evidence to work with. People thought the exit interview wasn't indicative of anything too, but it looks like that may have been wrong. And of course, there could be alternate explanations why he favorited it, but none seem to be as likely as the primary one: He liked the content.

I think it's more like- There are 6 or 8 teams Bledsoe doesn't want to play for. He doesn't qualify for a no trade clause (very few player do). One of the paths to a resolution may be a handshake agreement that the Suns will not consider any trade with (insert a number of teams) that involves Bledsoe.

I think he'll resign eventually (90%+) before October 1 and play happily for the Suns. Until then his agent and the Suns will probe for possible sign and trade possibilities. A team where Eric is comfortable in location, direction, in accepting the reasonable 12-13m per and that team is ready to move good value back to the Suns. Difficult equation, but?

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[batsmasher]

I still don't get where all this info on the Bled situation is coming from. Does anyone actually have a reputable source or are we just pulling crap out of the air because he hasn't signed?

As for the unconvincing exit interview, what would you expect? Bled to say he loves the Suns and wants to come back? Giving away even more leverage to the FO.

[JTrain]

Info comes from Traxxe who seems entirely reputable.

Don't see how saying he wants to come back gives the FO leverage. If anything it puts pressure on FO to make a fair offer so they don't look like the bad guys to the public in case of a stalemate.

[AtheJ415]

Excuse me. How are some of you chastizing us for not wanting bledsoe? If the dude doesn't want to be a phoenix sun for his market value then trade his ass to China for the rights to yao ming for all I care. Watch how fast we get a deal done for Goran next year. Dude wants to be here. IT hasn't even put on a suns jersey yet, wants to be here. I'm not really into Bledsoe's low ass IQ and terrible decision making up to this point. I mean, I don't know what else to call it if he's still taking selfies with that joke of an agent. Its not just him holding out that's pissing us off, its the entire situation starting from the beginning of last season.

Bam Bam from the Bum

Agree 1000%

Getting more assets for moving him should and could be the eventual goal.

Henson, and may be Knight along with another pick should not be only gauged on how it improves us this yr, as all of those assets can be turned into something else. McDo can weave straw into gold in a Rumplestiltskinish manner.
And both of those guys are young. If Frye can evolve into a stretch four, Henson surely can with the proper coaching. We do have that, right?

My list would say West makes us the best this yr, Josh Smith would be fun to have, and Henson/Knight/Pick is a good haul for .... dudley er... Bledsoak.

Its too bad Bledsoe does not realize this is a great place for him to thrive to levels he has yet to achieve.

This reminds me of Diamondback fans who cheered each move for a "clutch" guy and "team player" while watching all their talent go out for nothing. The result-->higher payroll and fewer wins. See, you need this thing called talent to win in basketball, and Bledsoe is arguably our most talented player, so yeah, I think you're incredibly wrong for wanting to ship him out for anyone even Yao Ming.

[JTrain]

I would love to see a straight up trade for Horford. He has the better resume but Bledsoe is young and more explosive/exciting and has tons of potential. Horford has had significant injuries too but not in the legs so hopefully less long term risk. He's still fairly young and he was having a very good season early last year before he went down. I imagine he could be successful at the 4 or the 5 for us.

[JTrain]

Oh and ATL is just a two hour drive from Birmingham, AL.