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2016 Draft

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Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?

Chriss
20
27%
Davis
5
7%
Korkmaz
2
3%
Labissiere
4
5%
Luwawu
12
16%
Rabb
12
16%
Sabonis
20
27%
 
Total votes: 75

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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1881 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:15 am

bhawk wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

New Draft.net mock was posted today. Buddy Hield up to 3. Sabonis at 7. Rabb at 8.

Skal, D. Davis, Chriss, Brice and Ellenson all available at the WASH pick. Somebody good is going to fall.

Interesting note: They have us taking Thon Maker at 28.


There are a lot of interesting bigs in this draft, and we need to take at least 3 imo unless something crazy happens (like Murray or Hield falling to WAS).

Chriss and Bender I like A LOT. Skal, Davis, Ellenson also have attributes that are easy to like. I'd even like Brice Johnson later on and yes even Maker (though I think he likely busts). Brice Johnson is interesting to me because his release and vertical in the post makes his shot unbotherable.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1882 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:46 am

So our most likely picks are pick 5 (35%) and 13 (96%).
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Re: RE: Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1883 » by MathiasPW » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:17 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:So our most likely picks are pick 5 (35%) and 13 (96%).

It doesn't work that way. It's cumulative probabilities. if you don't get the #1 pick, u have a better odd at the #2 pick. If you don't get the #2, your chance for the #3 increases, and so on.

The speed in which these probabilities increase is determined by your final standing (4th worst in our case).

That's why we have such a massive additional probability just after our position (pick #5), so your chances of dropping more than one position are severely reduced.

At least that's how I think it works
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1884 » by MathiasPW » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:25 pm

To illustrate:

The way Mulholland is saying would mean there was an exclusive lottery for the Suns, where 350 out of 1000 balls were for pick #5,

The way I understand is there is an exclusive lottery for every pick. For pick #5 (if Suns were not selected by then) there would be 119+126+133+99+350=819 out of 1000 balls with our name on it.
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Re: RE: Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1885 » by MathiasPW » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:26 pm

MathiasPW wrote:To illustrate:

The way Mulholland is saying would mean there was an exclusive lottery for the Suns, where 350 out of 1000 balls were for pick #5,

The way I understand is there is an exclusive lottery for every pick. For pick #5 (if Suns were not selected by then) there would be 119+126+133+99+350=819 out of 1000 balls with our name on it.

The added numbers are our odds for picks 1, 2 , 3, 4 and 5, respectively
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1886 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:10 pm

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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1887 » by bhawk » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:36 pm

A new Draft Xpress mock is out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

Ellenson, Skal and Davis ranked higher that Rabb and Chriss. Timothee is higher than Furkan. Sabonis at 19 - really? Brice Johnson may not be a special player @ 32. Thon Maker at 40.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1888 » by ATTL » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:25 pm

Anyone know if Thomas Bryant is coming out? Big kid, 7.5 wingspan and 9'4" standing reach, I'd rather have him than some of these other names.

How is skal still being ranked so high? He's kwame.

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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1889 » by Qwigglez » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:38 pm

MathiasPW wrote:To illustrate:

The way Mulholland is saying would mean there was an exclusive lottery for the Suns, where 350 out of 1000 balls were for pick #5,

The way I understand is there is an exclusive lottery for every pick. For pick #5 (if Suns were not selected by then) there would be 119+126+133+99+350=819 out of 1000 balls with our name on it.


Only a lottery for top 3 picks not every pick.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1890 » by Qwigglez » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:41 pm

ATTL wrote:Anyone know if Thomas Bryant is coming out? Big kid, 7.5 wingspan and 9'4" standing reach, I'd rather have him than some of these other names.

How is skal still being ranked so high? He's kwame.

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Skal doesn't have mental toughness and that is the biggest concern for me. I think it's hard for most players who have some kind of mental roadblock to overcome it and actually reach their potential. Because of this I don't want to take this kid.
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Re: RE: Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1891 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:34 pm

MathiasPW wrote:
MathiasPW wrote:To illustrate:

The way Mulholland is saying would mean there was an exclusive lottery for the Suns, where 350 out of 1000 balls were for pick #5,

The way I understand is there is an exclusive lottery for every pick. For pick #5 (if Suns were not selected by then) there would be 119+126+133+99+350=819 out of 1000 balls with our name on it.

The added numbers are our odds for picks 1, 2 , 3, 4 and 5, respectively


I think you are making it a little extra complicated. While odds certainly shift for everyone everytime a combination pops up and what's left significantly would shift everyone's odds, if you run 1,000 simulations today, about 35% of the time we would drop a spot, because the combined odds of every team behind us (5-14) jumping to a top 3 likely add up to about 35%. I bet if you go run that tankathon sim 100 times, a team below us jumps up between 32 and 38 times, landing us at #5.

But again, you can't necessarily say that is what is LIKELY to happen, because it is still only slightly more than a 1/3 chance, so the combined odds of us staying getting a pick between 1-4 are still greater.

That's why I always say there is too much luck to care TOO much about one win or loss, because in the end, it's basically one simulation run. Sure, you want the best odds, but anything can happen. The main thing you don't want to see when they are flipping over those cards from 14 on down, is a team to have moved up, because if that happened, it is then EXTREMELY likely we dropped at least one pick, unless we somehow ALSO moved up, and the odds of two teams moving up is far less than just one moving up.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1892 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:37 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I just used this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery


That's discouraging to see that us getting the 6th pick (16%) is more likely than us getting each of the 1 (11.9%), 2 (12.6%), and 3 (13.3%) picks.

I guess if you combine the chances of getting 5th (35%) and 6th (16%) that means the odds are greater than 50% that we move down. A little less that we stay or move up.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1893 » by Saberestar » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:10 pm

ATTL wrote:Anyone know if Thomas Bryant is coming out? Big kid, 7.5 wingspan and 9'4" standing reach, I'd rather have him than some of these other names.

How is skal still being ranked so high? He's kwame.

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Thomas Bryant returning to IU for sophomore season.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/04/07/thomas-bryant-returning-indiana-hoosiers-sophomore-season/82740860/
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1894 » by LukasBMW » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:30 pm

How is Chriss not a projected top 5 pick?

My god, he is the perfect fit for a modern 4. Running the pick and roll with him would be amazing.

Take him in a heartbeat at #13.
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Re: RE: Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1895 » by ATTL » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:36 am

Saberestar wrote:
ATTL wrote:Anyone know if Thomas Bryant is coming out? Big kid, 7.5 wingspan and 9'4" standing reach, I'd rather have him than some of these other names.

How is skal still being ranked so high? He's kwame.

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Thomas Bryant returning to IU for sophomore season.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/04/07/thomas-bryant-returning-indiana-hoosiers-sophomore-season/82740860/

Thanks, I think he'll be a top 10 pick next year.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1896 » by gaspar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:12 pm

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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1897 » by Saberestar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:29 pm

I think that tremendous height is more a problem than an advantage in the NBA right now. It is a faster game with better shooters, and you need an strong core and be capable to stay low on defense.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1898 » by sunsbg » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:29 pm

LukasBMW wrote:How is Chriss not a projected top 5 pick?

My god, he is the perfect fit for a modern 4. Running the pick and roll with him would be amazing.

Take him in a heartbeat at #13.


I have seen him compared to Markieff, also read for attitude problems. Still looks very intriguing for the 13th pick.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1899 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:34 pm

Love Zhou Qi as a high upside pick.

Size and Internationals are two of the most common correlations to outperformance outside the top 10.

Gobert, Giannis recent examples.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#1900 » by saintEscaton » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:05 pm

Zhou Qui might not be as young as he says it is, remembe how Yi Jianglin lied about his age? Anyways guys like him adn Jeanne have no were near NBA ready bodies and are probably 2 years from being 2 yearws away. The Croat centers are much better draft n' stash options with the Cleveland pick. Ivica Zubac is a an 260 pound 18 year old 7 '4 wingspan who already has a Nurkic build as a brusing enforcer. He is advanced on the block, with spin moves, up and unders and drop steps and has a better feel for the game than Len who was older coming out. The other croat, Zizic is a already an elite rebounder, better finisher as a dive man with more above the rim explosion and a budding midrange game
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