Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[carey]

Here's a question for someone who understands contracts/cap better than myself:

If we are under the cap, can we rework knights contract (3 seasons left) giving him a large portion this year, maybe some next, in doing so, we reduce his contract to two seasons vs 3, or, he still has a 3rd season remaining, but his final year is a low cap hit, so after this season, His contract goes from unbearable to moveable....h3ll, with a 3rd low cap hit season it may even be favorable after a couple season if we use him right.

Nope.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Here's a question for someone who understands contracts/cap better than myself:

If we are under the cap, can we rework knights contract (3 seasons left) giving him a large portion this year, maybe some next, in doing so, we reduce his contract to two seasons vs 3, or, he still has a 3rd season remaining, but his final year is a low cap hit, so after this season, His contract goes from unbearable to moveable....h3ll, with a 3rd low cap hit season it may even be favorable after a couple season if we use him right.

From my understanding no you can't do that. I do wish the NBA had a rule like an anti-stretch where you could do something like this on a buy out.

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

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[BobbieL]

Writing on the wall.... McDo wanted superstars or at least All Stars... and couldn't get any interest. There is little to do but to breakdown this roster and run with a budget, right at the league minimum.

Truth

Willing to max for Blake for the 4/130 range

willing to probably go 2, maybe 3 years and a lot of money for Millsap but not 5 years

So sit back and be smart about it - and with the West how it is - you are fight for four spots with GSW, SA, Houston and OKC in the play-offs right now; make it 5, the TWolves are pretty damn good and they are not done even if out of the Millsap thing

[BobbieL]

Here's a question for someone who understands contracts/cap better than myself:

If we are under the cap, can we rework knights contract (3 seasons left) giving him a large portion this year, maybe some next, in doing so, we reduce his contract to two seasons vs 3, or, he still has a 3rd season remaining, but his final year is a low cap hit, so after this season, His contract goes from unbearable to moveable....h3ll, with a 3rd low cap hit season it may even be favorable after a couple season if we use him right.

From my understanding no you can't do that. I do wish the NBA had a rule like an anti-stretch where you could do something like this on a buy out.

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

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So, here is a thought - if as Woj says the Suns are going young - does that mean Bledsoe could be moved since this team is in full rebuild - if that happens - Knight is your other starting guard and you hope he just plays a helluva lot better

[carey]

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

I don't know that it matters to me how much he's bought out for. Whatever guaranteed money is left still counts against the cap just like a waived player. So if they buy him out for $10M versus $40M it doesn't matter.

[Saberestar]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

I don't know that it matters to me how much he's bought out for. Whatever guaranteed money is left still counts against the cap just like a waived player. So if they buy him out for $10M versus $40M it doesn't matter.

No only the buy out amount counts towards the cap hit.

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[michaelscarn]

I love that you guys are high on Bender, I think he's awesome and will definitely be his year to shine. Jackson, Bender, Booker, and Chriss is an awesome group with so much potential. ready to just get rolling with them.

[carey]

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

I don't know that it matters to me how much he's bought out for. Whatever guaranteed money is left still counts against the cap just like a waived player. So if they buy him out for $10M versus $40M it doesn't matter.

No only the buy out amount counts towards the cap hit.

Not according to Coon.

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.

[Sunzgunz]

Fantastic!

But I do hope we keep a few respected & classy vets around to make sure the locker room doesn't collapse.

Kinda surprised that Sarver is open to taking on Salary in exchange for assets.

I wonder if "Deng and an unprotected pick" dump is still on the table.

Right there with you! It appeared as if we had an identity crisis with no concrete long term plan.

With that said, I wasnt opposed to any 'true' free agent signing and going all in on a win now campaign, provided all we'd lose is cap. But I was opposed to ANY sign and trade that involves assets and sacrifices the future.

We don't even now exactly we have yet in terms of assests. We could very easily had put all our eggs into one basket, only to see one of those eggs grow into a much larger roster than what the basket originally yielded.

I like our committment/direction and once we have a better sense of identity.....once the eggs have hatched and grown sort of speak....i have no problem going all in on a kp type player to get us over the FINAL hump (A Barkley type trade).

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[jcsunsfan]

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Interesting to see what happens here. Basically the Suns just announced Chandler, Bledsoe, Knight (shock), and Dudley available. That is the sum total of our vets.

They have also announced our willingness to sell cap space to the highest bidder. We will take picks and young players. Timing is perfect. Lots of agreements in principle with free agents, now the number crunchers are trying to get creative in finding the best way to make it work.

So who sees a door opening in their conference, is desperate to get a free agent, and has lots of assets?

"Danny, this is Ryan . . . "

[SSOL]

I don't know that it matters to me how much he's bought out for. Whatever guaranteed money is left still counts against the cap just like a waived player. So if they buy him out for $10M versus $40M it doesn't matter.

No only the buy out amount counts towards the cap hit.

Not according to Coon.

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.

You are misinterpreting "Any guaranteed salary." The money that is guaranteed after the buyout is owed to the player and remains on cap.

[bigfoot]

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Interesting to see what happens here. Basically the Suns just announced Chandler, Bledsoe, Knight (shock), and Dudley available. That is the sum total of our vets.

They have also announce our willingness to sell cap space to the highest bidder. We will take picks and young players. Timing is perfect. Lots of agreements in principle with free agents, now the number crunchers are trying to get creative in finding the best way to make it work.

Where did you see this??

[Qwigglez]

Alright, if we are going full rebuild mode, then eff it. Better trade Chandler AND sign Alex Len. Let him be the starter, I'll be good giving him 15mil a year as long as we don't have Chandler back.
I really don't want to trade Bledsoe, mostly because I don't see any good value coming back.

[NTB]

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[Sunzgunz]

Here's a question for someone who understands contracts/cap better than myself:

If we are under the cap, can we rework knights contract (3 seasons left) giving him a large portion this year, maybe some next, in doing so, we reduce his contract to two seasons vs 3, or, he still has a 3rd season remaining, but his final year is a low cap hit, so after this season, His contract goes from unbearable to moveable....h3ll, with a 3rd low cap hit season it may even be favorable after a couple season if we use him right.

From my understanding no you can't do that. I do wish the NBA had a rule like an anti-stretch where you could do something like this on a buy out.

I do wonder if the suns offered knight a buy out somewhere in the mid 30mils if he would take it. He could go take a cheap 1 year deal on a team he could get minutes then try to get another payday and end up ahead in money.

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So, here is a thought - if as Woj says the Suns are going young - does that mean Bledsoe could be moved since this team is in full rebuild - if that happens - Knight is your other starting guard and you hope he just plays a helluva lot better

Thanks weekapaugrove and Carey, not the answer I wanted ...but thanks!

I agree Bobbie!

hes not as good as his contract suggest, but definitely not as bad as he current market value either. I realize the two are connected, but the lack of numerical production is contributing to the problem....with Bledsoe gone, if and only if, we get useful assets for the future...the knight/production problem should heal some.

[Villalobos]

Poor Bledsoe. Might as well trade him now, with how things are going I see him demanding a trade East in his final year. He'd have a legit shot at all-star over there.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't know that it matters to me how much he's bought out for. Whatever guaranteed money is left still counts against the cap just like a waived player. So if they buy him out for $10M versus $40M it doesn't matter.

No only the buy out amount counts towards the cap hit.

Not according to Coon.

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.

**** my bad. I trust coon knows more than me. I could have swore thats how it worked when the bucks bought out larry sanders.

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[jcsunsfan]

Alright, if we are going full rebuild mode, then eff it. Better trade Chandler AND sign Alex Len. Let him be the starter, I'll be good giving him 15mil a year as long as we don't have Chandler back.
I really don't want to trade Bledsoe, mostly because I don't see any good value coming back.

I think you are right.