Deandre Ayton news and discussion

sunsbg · Post #1881 » by **sunsbg** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:47 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I give any of this 0 relevence to the NBA

You know people don't just go to NBA and become basketball players, right.

Saberestar · Post #1882 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:49 am

Saberestar · Post #1883 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:21 pm

"Basketball becomes easy, especially when you have the big fella. His talent is unmatched. It's something you can't teach. It's something every player wants to play with. He makes the game so easy for everybody."

Buddy Hield on playing with Deandre Ayton for Team Bahamas.

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"He's going to be a threat."

New Phoenix Suns guard Eric Gordon on playing with Deandre Ayton as they led Team Bahamas to win over Cuba in Olympic pre-qualifying tournament in Argentina.

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Saberestar · Post #1884 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:08 am

Final stats for DA in the tournament with Bahamas:

4W-0L, +21.5

15.5 points, 13.8 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29.9 mpg.

Post #1885 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:46 am

I like those 16pts and 14rbs

sunsbum · Post #1886 » by **sunsbum** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:11 pm

Saberestar wrote:Final stats for DA in the tournament with Bahamas:

4W-0L, +21.5

15.5 points, 13.8 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29.9 mpg.

Pretty Meh for a #1 option. But if he puts those numbers up on the suns I'll be ecstatic.

sunsbg · Post #1887 » by **sunsbg** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:13 pm

sunsbum wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Final stats for DA in the tournament with Bahamas:

4W-0L, +21.5

15.5 points, 13.8 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29.9 mpg.
Pretty Meh for a #1 option. But if he puts those numbers up on the suns I'll be ecstatic.

4-0 is pretty good for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. option.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1888 » by **Jdiddy701** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:05 pm

sunsbum wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Final stats for DA in the tournament with Bahamas:

4W-0L, +21.5

15.5 points, 13.8 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29.9 mpg.
Pretty Meh for a #1 option. But if he puts those numbers up on the suns I'll be ecstatic.

Yeah, that was his chance to show why he should maybe get a few more touches in the NBA. Overall, I wasn’t too impressed, especially when they looked to him to score against smaller defenders.

He hasn’t developed much at all on the offensive end since he’s been drafted. He really needs to work on his handles and strength. He fumbled the ball a ton. I wasn’t too happy with his lean look. He always struggles with physicality in the NBA. Not sure being more lean will help there.

There are a few things that did excite me though: jump shot looks to have more arch in it and he was very vocal, I felt like he was always talking during timeouts. That was cool to see. He was a bit more active on the defensive end but noticed a few plays where he did the Jokic and KD fight for the rebound thing again while he watched. I don’t get why he constantly does that. I hope he rediscovered the love for the game while playing for his country.

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Mulhollanddrive · Post #1889 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:57 pm

14 and 12 and All-Defensive Team and we probably win the title (with playoff health)

sunskerr · Post #1890 » by **sunskerr** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:49 am

Those are nice numbers and almost exactly what we need. Blocks are as always a little concerning...Obviously I know blocks arent everything, but they damn well are correlated with being a good post defender. And a good post defender last year Ayton was not.

Anyway, great stuff overall from him. Ran the floor well, did what he needed to do and its stuff thats compatible with how we will play this year. Shut some people like me up as well.

Post #1891 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:20 am

Effort and impact is way more important to me than numbers but that's not to say there shouldn't be some sort of statistical baseline for a player on a max contract.

sunsbg · Post #1892 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:12 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Effort and impact is way more important to me than numbers but that's not to say there shouldn't be some sort of statistical baseline for a player on a max contract.

16.7/10.4 for the Bahamian 2024 NBA champion maybe ?

sunsbg · Post #1893 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:28 pm

sunsbum wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Final stats for DA in the tournament with Bahamas:

4W-0L, +21.5

15.5 points, 13.8 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks in 29.9 mpg.
Pretty Meh for a #1 option. But if he puts those numbers up on the suns I'll be ecstatic.

Btw this is another proof NBA stats are inflated. DA basically couldn't score more than his NBA ppg average against players everybody around here considers scrubs.

Post #1894 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:49 am

sunsbg wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Effort and impact is way more important to me than numbers but that's not to say there shouldn't be some sort of statistical baseline for a player on a max contract.

16.7/10.4 for the Bahamian 2024 NBA champion maybe ?

In the NBA, I kinda look at his 2021 playoff run and last season as the benchmarks in terms of raw stats.

Averaging them out it'll look something like 16 and 11 which is a little under his career points average but also above his career rebounding average. Team scoring shouldn't be a problem so as long as he's in the double digits, it's probably enough.

It's the rebounding numbers where I want to see a bit more improvement. His rebounding numbers certainly dipped and technically averaged below double digit rebounding for the first time in his career this past season. Some of that could be the few injuries he had to deal with, not having a strong box out guy next to him in Crowder and/or perhaps just not giving 100% effort. He was also sub-10rb in the playoffs as well with 6 of the 10 playoff games with under 10 rebounds. That's opposed to only 7 sub-10rb he had in the 2021 playoff run over 22 games.

We know he has capacity to be a really good (perhaps elite) rebounder and whatever might've been the reason for the decrease in rebounds over the past season or so, it's one aspect of his game I think he has significant control over and can certainly improve on.

Post #1895 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:33 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Effort and impact is way more important to me than numbers but that's not to say there shouldn't be some sort of statistical baseline for a player on a max contract.

16.7/10.4 for the Bahamian 2024 NBA champion maybe ?

In the NBA, I kinda look at his 2021 playoff run and last season as the benchmarks in terms of raw stats.

Averaging them out it'll look something like 16 and 11 which is a little under his career points average but also above his career rebounding average. Team scoring shouldn't be a problem so as long as he's in the double digits, it's probably enough.

It's the rebounding numbers where I want to see a bit more improvement. His rebounding numbers certainly dipped and technically averaged below double digit rebounding for the first time in his career this past season. Some of that could be the few injuries he had to deal with, not having a strong box out guy next to him in Crowder and/or perhaps just not giving 100% effort. He was also sub-10rb in the playoffs as well with 6 of the 10 playoff games with under 10 rebounds. That's opposed to only 7 sub-10rb he had in the 2021 playoff run over 22 games.

We know he has capacity to be a really good (perhaps elite) rebounder and whatever might've been the reason for the decrease in rebounds over the past season or so, it's one aspect of his game I think he has significant control over and can certainly improve on.

Technically lower than 10, at 9.96, because he had 667 in 67 games,but he also had a a few games at like 7,14 and 15 minutes,twice because he left with injury, and the latter in a big blowout early after early foul trouble. So if he doesn't get injured twice in 2 games he likely gets 3 more boards.

Anyway, I don't really expect more boards since KD is a better rebounder than any PF we'd had with Ayton and likely whoever plays 3 is a better rebounder than Bridges.

I care about team rebounding,team success, and not individual stats. People get too hung up expecting like 12 boards when only 1 guy in the NBA averaged over 12, and he plays over 10% more minutes than Ayton, at near 35 mpg. Ayton averaged 11.5 when he played like 7% more minutes than his average, at 32.5mpg.

Anyway, team rebounding and success. He can put in more effort at times...same goes for everyone. It also depends how often Ayton is guarding out on the perimeter and on offense how much he is right under the rim, and not taking jump shots, which are sometimes what the defense gives him.

Post #1896 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:34 am

You think we go to the Finals if DA wasn't putting up historic stats?

sunskerr · Post #1897 » by **sunskerr** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:51 am

lilfishi22 wrote:You think we go to the Finals if DA wasn't putting up historic stats?

But were they actually historic? I mean they were sick ass numbers no doubt. But the dude that beat us averaged 30/13/5 lol. Maybe that was more historic.

Post #1898 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:33 am

sunskerr wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:You think we go to the Finals if DA wasn't putting up historic stats?

But were they actually historic? I mean they were sick ass numbers no doubt. But the dude that beat us averaged 30/13/5 lol. Maybe that was more historic.

First player since Tim Duncan to put up at least 15/15 in his Finals debut.

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Doesn't look as impressive as 30/13 but historic nonetheless

DimesandKnicks · Post #1899 » by **DimesandKnicks** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:13 am

I came here to say Kat Leya

TOO · Post #1900 » by **TOO** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:32 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:You think we go to the Finals if DA wasn't putting up historic stats?

But were they actually historic? I mean they were sick ass numbers no doubt. But the dude that beat us averaged 30/13/5 lol. Maybe that was more historic.

First player since Tim Duncan to put up at least 15/15 in his Finals debut.

And

Read on Twitter

Doesn't look as impressive as 30/13 but historic nonetheless

Having a couple of decent games doesn't mean he was historic. It's not like he was Olajuwon out there, c'mon now.