Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Bickley gives a very interesting outlook on what the Suns are going to be doing: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23322929/

Pretty much how I feel about the Suns. I really think they need to trade away all the Lance Blanks era players and also Isaiah Thomas. I remember some of the most fun I had going to Suns games was in the 2003-2004 season after the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway. Watching Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Shawn Marion blossom was a beautiful thing. I would love to watch the Suns young guys grow right now with Bledsoe and Len rather than the product the Suns are currently putting out there on the court. Obviously Goodwin, Warren, and Ennis are nowhere near where Stoudemire, Marion, and Johnson were in 2004, but who cares. This Suns team right now lacks heart and effort. I guarantee those rookies would play every game as hard as they can. Suns have nothing to lose turning the team over to the young players.

I pretty much agree with him too. Doesn't mean I want to trade Dragic because I think re-signing him makes him a valuable asset, much more valuable than he has now for trade purposes and he could be a guy a team would love to get in a BIG trade for a star. You've got to match salaries in a trade like that and you have to trade out a solid player or two along with picks.

If he walks, then so be it, but I don't think the likely return is worth dumping him if there is a pretty good chance we lock him up and make him a good asset for the future. Trading him now isn't accumulating assets. Not valuable ones.

This really makes little sense. To get Goran, you have to outbid everyone else. A lot of teams have cap space next year; granted, there are a lot of good free agents, too. But you'll have to pay at least as much as anyone was actually willing to pay for him, meaning that the "surplus value" of the "asset" is actually quite small.

Plus, think of the Harden situation. You couldn't have traded a player with that kind of contract for Harden. What could you have traded? That's right. First round draft picks.

We've likely just watched the last game with Goran in a Suns jersey.

[letsgosuns]

Bickley gives a very interesting outlook on what the Suns are going to be doing: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23322929/

Pretty much how I feel about the Suns. I really think they need to trade away all the Lance Blanks era players and also Isaiah Thomas. I remember some of the most fun I had going to Suns games was in the 2003-2004 season after the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway. Watching Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Shawn Marion blossom was a beautiful thing. I would love to watch the Suns young guys grow right now with Bledsoe and Len rather than the product the Suns are currently putting out there on the court. Obviously Goodwin, Warren, and Ennis are nowhere near where Stoudemire, Marion, and Johnson were in 2004, but who cares. This Suns team right now lacks heart and effort. I guarantee those rookies would play every game as hard as they can. Suns have nothing to lose turning the team over to the young players.

As in all players brought in or drafted by Lance Blanks?

including Goran?

Honestly I am open to moving anyone besides Len if it can make the Suns better long term. I would prefer to keep all of the young guys but if a young superstar is available, as long as the Suns do not trade Len, go for it. Len is the franchise cornerstone center they should build around.

[carey]

Love is legit injured, idk why you guys think he's being traded.

I hear the same.

However, if it was Goran & the Morris twins for Love and we threw a big contract at Tobias Harris this Summer (assuming Love resigns)...

I could really get behind a line-up of: Bledsoe/Goodwin/Harris/Love/Len with a bench of Ennis/IT/Bullock/Warren/Wright/Plumlee. I really like it. If you could package IT & Tucker for something else interesting on the defensive side of the ball that could really be something next year. Just a pipe dream I know but it isn't that far from feasible considering some of the other stuff that gets thrown around on this forum.

Edit: Or if you wanted to start Warren at SF instead of going after Harris you could pursue a 3D guy like Afflalo. Bledsoe/Afflalo/Warren/Love/Len. That actually makes a little more sense. It's better defense on the wings by far, it lets Love operate from the perimeter / elbow where he prefers to these days and it lets Warren play the midrange game while Len anchors the paint. That's a really interesting team.

[Qwigglez]

Love is legit injured, idk why you guys think he's being traded.

I hear the same.

However, if it was Goran & the Morris twins for Love and we threw a big contract at Tobias Harris this Summer (assuming Love resigns)...

I could really get behind a line-up of: Bledsoe/Goodwin/Harris/Love/Len with a bench of Ennis/IT/Bullock/Warren/Wright/Plumlee. I really like it. If you could package IT & Tucker for something else interesting on the defensive side of the ball that could really be something next year. Just a pipe dream I know but it isn't that far from feasible considering some of the other stuff that gets thrown around on this forum.

IT/Tucker/Suns 1st for Harris/Frye. I don't care what anyone says about Frye, but he is a pretty solid role player in OUR system. I would happily take him if it helped us acquire Harris and got rid of IT/Tucker. Definitely a good trade if we already acquired Love.

[jredsaz]

PHO trades ISAIAH THOMAS to BOS for GERALD WALLACE and MIN 1st (Protected)

Who hates IT enough to want this trade?

[jredsaz]

Love is legit injured, idk why you guys think he's being traded.

I hear the same.

However, if it was Goran & the Morris twins for Love and we threw a big contract at Tobias Harris this Summer (assuming Love resigns)...

I could really get behind a line-up of: Bledsoe/Goodwin/Harris/Love/Len with a bench of Ennis/IT/Bullock/Warren/Wright/Plumlee. I really like it. If you could package IT & Tucker for something else interesting on the defensive side of the ball that could really be something next year. Just a pipe dream I know but it isn't that far from feasible considering some of the other stuff that gets thrown around on this forum.

IT/Tucker/Suns 1st for Harris/Frye. I don't care what anyone says about Frye, but he is a pretty solid role player in OUR system. I would happily take him if it helped us acquire Harris and got rid of IT/Tucker. Definitely a good trade if we already acquired Love.

What about Dragic straight up for Harris?

[Qwigglez]

^That works too... since Orlando has the cap room to just absorb Dragic's contract.

[Flying Colors]

PHO trades ISAIAH THOMAS to BOS for GERALD WALLACE and MIN 1st (Protected)

Who hates IT enough to want this trade?

someone who hates the Suns even more

[MilotheSlayer]

Another 3 teamer

Phx out: IT Phx in: TobiasHarris
Was out: Porter, Miller Was in: IT
Orl out: THarris Orl in: Porter, Miller

Phx flips backcourt depth for front court depth. I would then try and flip Green and Tucker for anything. Washington wants Jameer nelson so they're obviously looking for backcourt help. We give it to them. Orl trades the RFA to be for another young SF who they can control and grow with their youth.

[bwgood77]

Bickley gives a very interesting outlook on what the Suns are going to be doing: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23322929/

Pretty much how I feel about the Suns. I really think they need to trade away all the Lance Blanks era players and also Isaiah Thomas. I remember some of the most fun I had going to Suns games was in the 2003-2004 season after the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway. Watching Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Shawn Marion blossom was a beautiful thing. I would love to watch the Suns young guys grow right now with Bledsoe and Len rather than the product the Suns are currently putting out there on the court. Obviously Goodwin, Warren, and Ennis are nowhere near where Stoudemire, Marion, and Johnson were in 2004, but who cares. This Suns team right now lacks heart and effort. I guarantee those rookies would play every game as hard as they can. Suns have nothing to lose turning the team over to the young players.

I pretty much agree with him too. Doesn't mean I want to trade Dragic because I think re-signing him makes him a valuable asset, much more valuable than he has now for trade purposes and he could be a guy a team would love to get in a BIG trade for a star. You've got to match salaries in a trade like that and you have to trade out a solid player or two along with picks.

If he walks, then so be it, but I don't think the likely return is worth dumping him if there is a pretty good chance we lock him up and make him a good asset for the future. Trading him now isn't accumulating assets. Not valuable ones.

This really makes little sense. To get Goran, you have to outbid everyone else. A lot of teams have cap space next year; granted, there are a lot of good free agents, too. But you'll have to pay at least as much as anyone was actually willing to pay for him, meaning that the "surplus value" of the "asset" is actually quite small.

Plus, think of the Harden situation. You couldn't have traded a player with that kind of contract for Harden. What could you have traded? That's right. First round draft picks.

We've likely just watched the last game with Goran in a Suns jersey.

Well it all likely depends on the value we get in return. As good as I think he is, and as bad as you think he is, you seem to think he holds more trade value than me right now even though he is basically a two month rental. If we got a very nice package for him, I'm not totally against it. I just don't see him netting a quality package due to his impending free agency unless he makes it clear to a trade partner he will stay with them.

I mean if we get a late first and get another guy like Bogdanavich, like with our last late first rounder, I just don't know how much trade value that really is. Teams will always want quality players, even if they are well paid, especially with the drastically rising cap.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Kings seem impatient and seem willing to trade stauskas. He's looked like crap this year but the suns were rumored to like him predraft. I'd be tempted by stauskas and williams contract for goran. Gives phoenix a real 2 and gives the kings gorans bird rights and Karl a point guard.

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[MilotheSlayer]

To go along with my previous trade.
Phx: PJ and a 2nd for Snell
Chi: Snell and Dunleavy for PJ and Phi 2nd
Phi: 2nd for Dunleavy and Phx 2nd

[Christine-In-AZ]

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2014/03/01/m ... ttle-much/

The Most Valuable Player award is the highest individual honor in an NBA season. It has its own perennial contenders like LeBron James, Kevin Durant, or Chris Paul. However, every season there’s a few guys that make it in the fringe discussion for the prestigious award. Goran Dragic is apparently on of those dark-horse candidates...

...With 25 seconds left in the game, the Pelicans were forced to foul Dragic, who had 38 points. As he stepped up to the line, hoping to hit the 40 mark, U.S. Airways center exploded in cheers of “MVP!” for him...

...NBA.com does a weekly MVP race, and Dragic has hung around the middle from a while, ranging between fifth and seventh place in recent weeks, so this idea that he is an MVP candidate isn’t isolated to the Suns arena.

...and now here we are less than one year later.

Babby & McDonough are not trading Goran Dragic unless they are either blown away with an offer, or he's part of a ginormous, block buster trade ...and after those two scenarios almost surely do not materialize, and he's not traded he'll (probably) resign with PHX in July. They (Ryan and Lon) know Dragic has had to take the hit for the "asset IT" signing experiment. It'll take a ton for them to trade him, and then a crazy high FA offer not to bring him back next year.

Sorry cosmo. I know you're all geeked to get a 1st round pick+ for our little Goran, but I'm guessing you're going to be very unhappy and ranting anti-Suns FO furiously a week from tonight when nothing happens.

Something big could happen. IT? Sure, maybe. Bledsoe? That wouldn't shock me, as I've always guessed that was the eventual planned trade. But doubt it's Goran unless (see above).

[BallLikeYao]

Dragic is going back to Houston.
Were giving you guys NOP 1st rounder, Kostas Papanikalaou, and maybe someone else

Papa is a great player and will get consistent minutes here, you guys are lucky to have him.

[Safety Pickle]

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2014/03/01/m ... ttle-much/

The Most Valuable Player award is the highest individual honor in an NBA season. It has its own perennial contenders like LeBron James, Kevin Durant, or Chris Paul. However, every season there’s a few guys that make it in the fringe discussion for the prestigious award. Goran Dragic is apparently on of those dark-horse candidates...

...With 25 seconds left in the game, the Pelicans were forced to foul Dragic, who had 38 points. As he stepped up to the line, hoping to hit the 40 mark, U.S. Airways center exploded in cheers of “MVP!” for him...

...NBA.com does a weekly MVP race, and Dragic has hung around the middle from a while, ranging between fifth and seventh place in recent weeks, so this idea that he is an MVP candidate isn’t isolated to the Suns arena.

...and now here we are less than one year later.

Babby & McDonough are not trading Goran Dragic unless they are either blown away with an offer, or he's part of a ginormous, block buster trade ...and after those two scenarios almost surely do not materialize, and he's not traded he'll (probably) resign with PHX in July. They (Ryan and Lon) know Dragic has had to take the hit for the "asset IT" signing experiment. It'll take a ton for them to trade him, and then a crazy high FA offer not to bring him back next year.

Sorry cosmo. I know you're all geeked to get a 1st round pick+ for our little Goran, but I'm guessing you're going to be very unhappy and ranting anti-Suns FO furiously a week from tonight when nothing happens.

Something big could happen. IT? Sure, maybe. Bledsoe? That wouldn't shock me, as I've always guessed that was the eventual planned trade. But doubt it's Goran unless (see above).

You're not going to convince anyone that Dragic won't get traded by quoting an article written a year ago

[DRK]

Can all you self-entitled Houston fans just leave? We do not want your crapfor Goran Dragic. We dont want Kostas Pagdhayssgshshjdd and whatever garbage you offer us. Go away

[DRK]

For us to draft Goran, trade him to Houston, then or him to willingly sign here again only for us to trade him again would reflect really badly on our organisation.

Add that to the fact that Dragic's trAde value is at an all time low, I highly doubt Phoenix want to trade him.

If we could work out a deal for IT though, ill be straight onto that bandwagon. The less selfish me-first players on this team the better. Addition by subtraction.

[LukasBMW]

If we trade Dragic, who do we have to lead this team?

Bledsoe is too quiet. He's a great #2 guy, but he's not a leader.
The Morris brothers blew their opportunity.
Tucker is our best leader...if he's not drinking.

Everyone else is either a knucklehead (Green, IT) or too young (Archie, Len, Warren, Ennis)

[LukasBMW]

If we trade the Morris twins and Dragic for Love, that would be a huge mistake.

Arrest or no arrest, Kieff destroyed Kevin Love the last time they played. Kieff has really had better luck with his outside shot including the 3 ball lately. Even if he does get charged with assult/battery, he is going to get a suspended sentence and probation. He won't go to jail. Worst case scenario, we lose him for a 10 game league suspension. His contract is reasonable, he's durable and not prone to injuries, and I think he will keep it together from here on out.

We need to build around Beldsoe, Markieff, and Len.

[Christine-In-AZ]

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2014/03/01/m ... ttle-much/

The Most Valuable Player award is the highest individual honor in an NBA season. It has its own perennial contenders like LeBron James, Kevin Durant, or Chris Paul. However, every season there’s a few guys that make it in the fringe discussion for the prestigious award. Goran Dragic is apparently on of those dark-horse candidates...

...With 25 seconds left in the game, the Pelicans were forced to foul Dragic, who had 38 points. As he stepped up to the line, hoping to hit the 40 mark, U.S. Airways center exploded in cheers of “MVP!” for him...

...NBA.com does a weekly MVP race, and Dragic has hung around the middle from a while, ranging between fifth and seventh place in recent weeks, so this idea that he is an MVP candidate isn’t isolated to the Suns arena.

...and now here we are less than one year later.

Babby & McDonough are not trading Goran Dragic unless they are either blown away with an offer, or he's part of a ginormous, block buster trade ...and after those two scenarios almost surely do not materialize, and he's not traded he'll (probably) resign with PHX in July. They (Ryan and Lon) know Dragic has had to take the hit for the "asset IT" signing experiment. It'll take a ton for them to trade him, and then a crazy high FA offer not to bring him back next year.

Sorry cosmo. I know you're all geeked to get a 1st round pick+ for our little Goran, but I'm guessing you're going to be very unhappy and ranting anti-Suns FO furiously a week from tonight when nothing happens.

Something big could happen. IT? Sure, maybe. Bledsoe? That wouldn't shock me, as I've always guessed that was the eventual planned trade. But doubt it's Goran unless (see above).

You're not going to convince anyone that Dragic won't get traded by quoting an article written a year ago

Not really trying to...just (again) going on the record that I think all this Dragic trade talk is rather poorly founded hype.

As I wrote- "They (Ryan and Lon) know Dragic has had to take the hit for the "asset IT" signing experiment." I believe they believe the player we saw last year (hence the article link) is much closer to the future Dragic than what we've seen this year. He's all-star material if you don't completely "f" up the balance of the team.

It's already been mentioned many times that it has been and will be tough for PHX to sign FA star caliber players. Babby & McStunna aren't letting one already in hand go, anywhere close to as easy as many seem to think they will.

What do you think Pickle?