Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

AtheJ415 · Post #1901 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:10 pm

Flying Colors wrote:i wouldn't be surprised if Dragic ends up asking for more. My Biggest hope is that he decides to sign elsewhere, making those Heat picks much more valuable

Dragic should ask for more. He can easily top that offer.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1902 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:39 pm

16 million a year for Goran. LOL

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BobbieL · Post #1903 » by **BobbieL** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:11 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:16 million a year for Goran. LOL

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higher cap or not
no way
not worth it

I am not sure the Knight trade was right but moving Goran was right

letsgosuns · Post #1904 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:49 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:16 million a year for Goran. LOL

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That is just the initial offer too. The other teams that want him are supposedly set to offer him a 4 year/85 million dollar deal. All that for a guy that has never been on an all star team, never led a team to the playoffs, and had only one really good year in seven seasons.

Damkac · Post #1905 » by **Damkac** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:50 pm

So the rumors are that Suns are interested in DeMarre Carroll. What do you think about it? Is he any different than Tucker? Can he play SG? Why Suns would need another SF when have Warren, Tucker, Marcus and Granger?

letsgosuns · Post #1906 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:56 pm

Damkac wrote:So the rumors are that Suns are interested in DeMarre Carroll. What do you think about it? Is he any different than Tucker? Can he play SG? Why Suns would need another SF when have Warren, Tucker, Marcus and Granger?

I hope the Suns can dump the Morris brothers and Tucker and get Aldridge, Carroll, and Stoudemire.

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Knight/Bogdanovich/Goodwin
Carroll/Warren/Granger
Aldridge/13th pick
Len/Stoudemire

I would rather them get rid of the dual point guard lineup but I do not see it happening.

Damkac · Post #1907 » by **Damkac** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:14 pm

Can you answer me what is the difference between Tucker and Carroll? Why trading Tucker to sign Carroll would make any sense?

sunskerr · Post #1908 » by **sunskerr** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:18 pm

Damkac wrote:Can you answer me what is the difference between Tucker and Carroll? Why trading Tucker to sign Carroll would make any sense?

Because DeMarre Carroll is better

letsgosuns · Post #1909 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:24 pm

Damkac wrote:Can you answer me what is the difference between Tucker and Carroll? Why trading Tucker to sign Carroll would make any sense?

Carroll is pretty awesome. Idk how much you watched him this year but I like him a lot. Would definitely take him on my team as a great role player next to a superstar.

Saberestar · Post #1910 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:25 pm

Damkac wrote:So the rumors are that Suns are interested in DeMarre Carroll. What do you think about it? Is he any different than Tucker? Can he play SG? Why Suns would need another SF when have Warren, Tucker, Marcus and Granger?

I like him, if we have not better choices I would sign him.
And to answer your last question....

1.Granger is under contract, but we don't know if he would be available to play at a high level. He is a shadow of himself, I wouldn't count on him like a rotation player anymore. If he is good to go and plays well, great! Right now I think he is gonna be at the end of the bench giving advice to our young players and looking for a trade with a contender on February if he is healthy enough.

2.Marcus is not an starter in this league. He can be a good bench player if he matures the next year, but that is all. Carroll is way better, he would be an upgrade. I think we will trade him before the start of the season, so probably he will not be on the team next year.

3. P.J. Tucker is not "the future". He can stay with the Suns more years (even with Carroll here), but playing a lesser role (around 16-18 mpg for example ). He is a very good defender and his contract is fair. Carroll is better than him...better shooter, better IQ, better passer, equal defender, slightly worse rebounder. If we can sign Carroll, we can trade Tucker for a future pick or trade him for a big man, but that is not a must because Tucker can play some SG or even PF if needed coming of the bench.

4. Warren is my favourite player on the team right now, so I would love to see him in the starting lineup. ...BUT probably he is not prepared to that job. He can play around 20 minutes per game behind Carroll if he is signed, not a big problem here. If he develops quickly, we can trade Carroll the next year, he has value around the league.

thamadkant · Post #1911 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:05 am

Carroll is a lot smarter than Tucker, doesnt do too much to try to prove he can do things. He seems to be more calm and collected compared to Tucker. Also shoots better outside.

It means Suns are trying to trade Tucker? or they want 2 wing defenders... ala Grizzlies style.

RunDogGun · Post #1912 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:08 am

A lot smarter, really? The Tucker hate around here is crazy. He is a great role player, on a great contract. He guards whoever we ask, and does a good job at it. Carroll has had two decent seasons out of the five he has been in the league, and has yet to play a full season.

Tucker only seems to overdo things when the team is struggling, and no one is stepping up. The rest of the time, he does his job well, rebounds, defends, and knocks down threes.

Plus won't Carroll take away Warren minutes, if he is "so much" better than Tucker?

Post #1913 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:32 am

RunDogGun wrote:A lot smarter, really? The Tucker hate around here is crazy. He is a great role player, on a great contract. He guards whoever we ask, and does a good job at it. Carroll has had two decent seasons out of the five he has been in the league, and has yet to play a full season.

Tucker only seems to overdo things when the team is struggling, and no one is stepping up. The rest of the time, he does his job well, rebounds, defends, and knocks down threes.

Plus won't Carroll take away Warren minutes, if he is "so much" better than Tucker?

Spot on

I'd look at shopping Tucker to free up minutes for Warren but I'd be more than happy to keep him on. Like you've mentioned, he does his job well, he's the leader of the team defensively (that is until Len or Bledsoe becomes more vocal), never complains about minutes or touches and he's on a fair deal. The fact that he can spread the floor and guard players 1-5 is a luxury.

I'm just not sure I'd go out and spend $10-12m on Demarre Carroll, as much as I like him as player.

Cutter · Post #1914 » by **Cutter** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:41 am

If we trade Marcus and put Granger at the end of the bench, we could sign DeMare Carroll and keep PJ Tucker and have two excellent wing defenders. I'd would love to see something like:

SF: DeMare (24) Warren (24)
SG: Knight (20) Tucker (20) Archie (?)
PG: Bledsoe (34) Knight (14)

Total Minutes
Bledsoe 34
Knight 34
DeMare 24
Warren 24
Tucker 20

Of course minutes would fluctuate based on players performance.

Both Carroll and Tucker could lock down opposing wings, and hit 3's at a decent clip. DeMare shot nearly 40% from 3 last year, and PJ Tucker shot around 34% which is respectable. As Warren continues to develop as we all hope, he could slowly begin to take more SF minutes. This seems like a win-win-win for the Suns. Now of course I have no idea how much Carroll will be looking for in FA. That would be the determining factor.

thamadkant · Post #1915 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:41 am

Caroll rotates the ball quickly, runs to spots and positions himself a lot better than Tucker.
Sure, you can blame the coaching, but Caroll plays the "3D" guy much better than Tucker.

Also, Tucker trying to do too much when no one steps up is a sign of lack of discipline. And "being a role model" is not the answer, when he clearly ISN'T by his actions on and off the court, to me he is showing lack of discipline.. the effort is good but its not a good example to the younger players.

I suppose, I see Caroll as the better 3D player who wont hold onto the ball too long killing ball movement, which is better for the Suns uptempo goals. He's the right type of player moving forward and to lead as an example.
But he'll only leave the Hawks if the Suns (or other teams) overpay... so that's probably the ONLY reason I would be against bringing him in.

Post #1916 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:53 am

No one is doubting Carroll is a better player than Tucker. But is he $5-7m per year better? He's only 14 months younger than Tucker so he doesn't have a significant age advantage and their stats are comparable for their salary.

All I'm saying is, I don't know whether he's worth going out and splashing $12m a year on when he doesn't really fix the major problems on our team nor does he "fill a need" either.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1917 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:03 am

Carroll is alright but Jesus no I wouldn't want him at 10+ mil per year. Giving a bunch of contracts like that to role players is usually a recipe for disaster.

Post #1918 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:02 am

Damkac wrote:Can you answer me what is the difference between Tucker and Carroll? Why trading Tucker to sign Carroll would make any sense?

Well Carroll is more of a PF. That is one difference. He is something we need. Haven't watched him enough to know how good he really is.

He does shoot about 40% from 3 though, and is active in steals.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1919 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:45 am

Carroll would be here for leadership.

Blackification · Post #1920 » by **Blackification** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:46 am

lilfishi22 wrote:No one is doubting Carroll is a better player than Tucker. But is he $5-7m per year better? He's only 14 months younger than Tucker so he doesn't have a significant age advantage and their stats are comparable for their salary.

All I'm saying is, I don't know whether he's worth going out and splashing $12m a year on when he doesn't really fix the major problems on our team nor does he "fill a need" either.

I agree, that is a lot of money committed to a guy who still won't help us make the playoffs.

I could see Portland picking up Carroll and letting Matthews go but I can't see him as that much of an improvement over tucker and I wouldn't want to pay a guy that much when Warren has so much potential.

bwgood77 wrote:
Damkac wrote:Can you answer me what is the difference between Tucker and Carroll? Why trading Tucker to sign Carroll would make any sense?

Well Carroll is more of a PF. That is one difference. He is something we need. Haven't watched him enough to know how good he really is.

He does shoot about 40% from 3 though, and is active in steals.

He would be undersized at PF though, sure he could be used to stretch the floor but it would also be nice to have a PF with some size and rebounding to take some pressure off of Len on the defensive end.