Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[HootieRules]

Yeah, pursing LMA as hard as we did was because we wanted to build around Markieff

Spin it anyway you want but you just sound like BurningHeart without the expletives.

Ah here we go. Here comes the "but we almost got Aldridge!" gullible ridiculousness. Next you'll applaud the front office because they got a meeting with LeBron's agent last summer.

Keep whistling past the graveyard.

And others like you will do nothing but accentuate any negative situation to TRY to prove your point. And explain exactly how the FO put themselves in this situation? Did they publicly humiliate the team/coach by throwing a tantrum at the bench? Did they get indicted on Felony Assault charges? No, that would be the Morri.

And in Dragic's situation, they got two pretty darn good 1st Rd picks for a less than half season rental. Now, the Heat have overpaid him with an average $17M per contract for the next 5 years, through his age 34 season, yet people like you think we overpaid for a 33 YO Center who had a more positive impact on his team than Dragic did, yet is earning $4M less. Tell me, what's harder to find, a player like Tyson, or a player like Dragic? I'll tell you--we got a 6-year younger 'Dragic' for an average $3M less for the next 5 years.

Why bother posting on this forum--you obviously have a deep-seated discontent for this team, and it's not likely to change much for the foreseeable future?

Ummm, I would say the front office put themselves in this position in the first place because they drafted Markieff and traded for Marcus, then extended them.

I liked the Chandler signing. Your arguments about Knight and the Heat picks are rooted in nothing more than blind optimistic opinion likely seen through the sunglasses that FrankLee posted on the last page. We have no idea where those Heat picks will land. I have a pretty good idea of how good Knight actually is living in the Midwest and watching a ton of Bucks games. If you want to talk about that instead of telling me to go find a new team to root for, fine.

I don't have anything else to add to your divisive nonsense.

[NavLDO]

Ah here we go. Here comes the "but we almost got Aldridge!" gullible ridiculousness. Next you'll applaud the front office because they got a meeting with LeBron's agent last summer.

Keep whistling past the graveyard.

And others like you will do nothing but accentuate any negative situation to TRY to prove your point. And explain exactly how the FO put themselves in this situation? Did they publicly humiliate the team/coach by throwing a tantrum at the bench? Did they get indicted on Felony Assault charges? No, that would be the Morri.

And in Dragic's situation, they got two pretty darn good 1st Rd picks for a less than half season rental. Now, the Heat have overpaid him with an average $17M per contract for the next 5 years, through his age 34 season, yet people like you think we overpaid for a 33 YO Center who had a more positive impact on his team than Dragic did, yet is earning $4M less. Tell me, what's harder to find, a player like Tyson, or a player like Dragic? I'll tell you--we got a 6-year younger 'Dragic' for an average $3M less for the next 5 years.

Why bother posting on this forum--you obviously have a deep-seated discontent for this team, and it's not likely to change much for the foreseeable future?

Ummm, I would say the front office put themselves in this position in the first place because they drafted Markieff and traded for Marcus, then extended them.

I liked the Chandler signing.

I don't have anything else to add to your divisive nonsense.

I love that response--like it actually means something. Great analysis.

And you are blaming the FO because they drafted Markieff 5 years ago, and subsequently re-signed him and his brother? I wasn't aware that they had a history of Felony Assault--I can't believe McD didn't see that coming...

[batsmasher]

Ummm, I would say the front office put themselves in this position in the first place because they drafted Markieff and traded for Marcus, then extended them.

Except y'know, it was Blanks that drafted Kieff and Blanks that traded for Marcus. But that doesn't matter because someone needs to be a scapegoat. How dare McD extend them when he did. Outrageous.

But now I'm just repeating myself for the 17th time.

[letsgosuns]

When the Morris brothers, Isaiah Thomas, or Goran Dragic win MVP and/or win a championship as an integral part of a team, then maybe I will blame the Suns front office for letting them go. Otherwise, I am beyond ecstatic that they are all gone, with the exception of Markieff, who I hope is traded asap. I hate all of their games.

Marcus: Barely is in the league, absolutely pathetic basketball player and a low class human being
Markieff: Inconsistent loser that cannot be relied upon for anything and has a bad attitude
Thomas: The guy is 5'9" and wants to take the most shots on the team. Need I say more?
Dragic: The most talented of the bunch, but that is not saying much. Was the best player on the Suns during the worst stretch in franchise history. Could not care less he is gone. Plus he is severely overpaid. One good year and six bad/below average years I guess can brainwash someone into thinking you deserve a big contract.

Overall these players suck. The Suns have sucked for years. That 48 win season was a fluke. Dragic's season was a fluke. I am so tired of hearing people say I cannot believe the front office broke up a 48 win team. I mean seriously. WHAT THE HELL IS SO GREAT ABOUT 48 WINS. Why are people attached to players like the Morris brothers. What am I missing? I do not get it. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. There are still people on this board that want to keep Markieff after his most recent comments. You need to get real. The guy is an average player, a locker room cancer, and hates the organization. Oh yeah let's mend fences with him. Rightttt. Give me a break. Ship him outta town for the best offer you can get and start fresh with a positive outlook with players who want to win.

[Saberestar]

Schedule video made by the Suns. No Markieff highlights are shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-0aPUbZ7IM

We are trading him sooner than later , no doubt about it.

[bwgood77]

When the Morris brothers, Isaiah Thomas, or Goran Dragic win MVP and/or win a championship as an integral part of a team, then maybe I will blame the Suns front office for letting them go. Otherwise, I am beyond ecstatic that they are all gone, with the exception of Markieff, who I hope is traded asap. I hate all of their games.

Marcus: Barely is in the league, absolutely pathetic basketball player and a low class human being
Markieff: Inconsistent loser that cannot be relied upon for anything and has a bad attitude
Thomas: The guy is 5'9" and wants to take the most shots on the team. Need I say more?
Dragic: The most talented of the bunch, but that is not saying much. Was the best player on the Suns during the worst stretch in franchise history. Could not care less he is gone. Plus he is severely overpaid. One good year and six bad/below average years I guess can brainwash someone into thinking you deserve a big contract.

Overall these players suck. The Suns have sucked for years. That 48 win season was a fluke. Dragic's season was a fluke. I am so tired of hearing people say I cannot believe the front office broke up a 48 win team. I mean seriously. WHAT THE HELL IS SO GREAT ABOUT 48 WINS. Why are people attached to players like the Morris brothers. What am I missing? I do not get it. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. There are still people on this board that want to keep Markieff after his most recent comments. You need to get real. The guy is an average player, a locker room cancer, and hates the organization. Oh yeah let's mend fences with him. Rightttt. Give me a break. Ship him outta town for the best offer you can get and start fresh with a positive outlook with players who want to win.

Who wants to keep him? I want to trade him for proper value. You mention that the team sucks. Well one sure way to make sure it keeps sucking is to lose trades.

[saintEscaton]

We should deal Kieff to the Lakers in exchange for Boozer and his son Sacre.

[letsgosuns]

When the Morris brothers, Isaiah Thomas, or Goran Dragic win MVP and/or win a championship as an integral part of a team, then maybe I will blame the Suns front office for letting them go. Otherwise, I am beyond ecstatic that they are all gone, with the exception of Markieff, who I hope is traded asap. I hate all of their games.

Marcus: Barely is in the league, absolutely pathetic basketball player and a low class human being
Markieff: Inconsistent loser that cannot be relied upon for anything and has a bad attitude
Thomas: The guy is 5'9" and wants to take the most shots on the team. Need I say more?
Dragic: The most talented of the bunch, but that is not saying much. Was the best player on the Suns during the worst stretch in franchise history. Could not care less he is gone. Plus he is severely overpaid. One good year and six bad/below average years I guess can brainwash someone into thinking you deserve a big contract.

Overall these players suck. The Suns have sucked for years. That 48 win season was a fluke. Dragic's season was a fluke. I am so tired of hearing people say I cannot believe the front office broke up a 48 win team. I mean seriously. WHAT THE HELL IS SO GREAT ABOUT 48 WINS. Why are people attached to players like the Morris brothers. What am I missing? I do not get it. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. There are still people on this board that want to keep Markieff after his most recent comments. You need to get real. The guy is an average player, a locker room cancer, and hates the organization. Oh yeah let's mend fences with him. Rightttt. Give me a break. Ship him outta town for the best offer you can get and start fresh with a positive outlook with players who want to win.

Who wants to keep him? I want to trade him for proper value. You mention that the team sucks. Well one sure way to make sure it keeps sucking is to lose trades.

I said they have sucked. I think they are much better now on paper at least, especially without Markieff. I even think they would be better if Markieff was traded for draft picks and Teletovich was the starter. Also some people on here want to keep him still. That Boivin article specifically said to keep him and make it work which I think is asinine.

[letsgosuns]

Schedule video made by the Suns. No Markieff highlights are shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-0aPUbZ7IM

We are trading him sooner than later , no doubt about it.

They really emphasize Goodwin at the beginning of that video quite a lot while Warren is not shown once the entire video.

[bwgood77]

When the Morris brothers, Isaiah Thomas, or Goran Dragic win MVP and/or win a championship as an integral part of a team, then maybe I will blame the Suns front office for letting them go. Otherwise, I am beyond ecstatic that they are all gone, with the exception of Markieff, who I hope is traded asap. I hate all of their games.

Marcus: Barely is in the league, absolutely pathetic basketball player and a low class human being
Markieff: Inconsistent loser that cannot be relied upon for anything and has a bad attitude
Thomas: The guy is 5'9" and wants to take the most shots on the team. Need I say more?
Dragic: The most talented of the bunch, but that is not saying much. Was the best player on the Suns during the worst stretch in franchise history. Could not care less he is gone. Plus he is severely overpaid. One good year and six bad/below average years I guess can brainwash someone into thinking you deserve a big contract.

Overall these players suck. The Suns have sucked for years. That 48 win season was a fluke. Dragic's season was a fluke. I am so tired of hearing people say I cannot believe the front office broke up a 48 win team. I mean seriously. WHAT THE HELL IS SO GREAT ABOUT 48 WINS. Why are people attached to players like the Morris brothers. What am I missing? I do not get it. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. There are still people on this board that want to keep Markieff after his most recent comments. You need to get real. The guy is an average player, a locker room cancer, and hates the organization. Oh yeah let's mend fences with him. Rightttt. Give me a break. Ship him outta town for the best offer you can get and start fresh with a positive outlook with players who want to win.

Who wants to keep him? I want to trade him for proper value. You mention that the team sucks. Well one sure way to make sure it keeps sucking is to lose trades.

I said they have sucked. I think they are much better now on paper at least, especially without Markieff. I even think they would be better if Markieff was traded for draft picks and Teletovich was the starter. Also some people on here want to keep him still. That Boivin article specifically said to keep him and make it work which I think is asinine.

I'd rather keep him for now than trade him for pennies on the dollar. No, we would not be better with Telly starting...we have no depth. He might be good at times, and good for awhile, but him and Leuer could not hold down the PF spot.

Unless we get a good deal, I want to closely watch how he plays with the guys on opening night. I think that will tell us a lot about what kind of guy HE really is. I just read Paola's article, and she makes many great points.

Personally, I think if he is here opening night, he is going to play his ass off, and even if he is still pissed, focus it on destroying the other team. The best way he gets out of here is to show his value.

[letsgosuns]

Who wants to keep him? I want to trade him for proper value. You mention that the team sucks. Well one sure way to make sure it keeps sucking is to lose trades.

I said they have sucked. I think they are much better now on paper at least, especially without Markieff. I even think they would be better if Markieff was traded for draft picks and Teletovich was the starter. Also some people on here want to keep him still. That Boivin article specifically said to keep him and make it work which I think is asinine.

I'd rather keep him for now than trade him for pennies on the dollar. No, we would not be better with Telly starting...we have no depth. He might be good at times, and good for awhile, but him and Leuer could not hold down the PF spot.

Unless we get a good deal, I want to closely watch how he plays with the guys on opening night. I think that will tell us a lot about what kind of guy HE really is. I just read Paola's article, and she makes many great points.

Personally, I think if he is here opening night, he is going to play his ass off, and even if he is still pissed, focus it on destroying the other team. The best way he gets out of here is to show his value.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you about this.

[bwgood77]

Schedule video made by the Suns. No Markieff highlights are shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-0aPUbZ7IM

We are trading him sooner than later , no doubt about it.

They really emphasize Goodwin at the beginning of that video quite a lot while Warren is not shown once the entire video.

Maybe to appease him. They probably don't put second year guys in it before the season anyway so their work ethic will remain high, not that I think that it will be a problem with Warren. I'm just guessing, but I bet there was some talk about stuff like that before deciding who would get the most footage in the video. I haven't watched it yet though.

[bwgood77]

I said they have sucked. I think they are much better now on paper at least, especially without Markieff. I even think they would be better if Markieff was traded for draft picks and Teletovich was the starter. Also some people on here want to keep him still. That Boivin article specifically said to keep him and make it work which I think is asinine.

I'd rather keep him for now than trade him for pennies on the dollar. No, we would not be better with Telly starting...we have no depth. He might be good at times, and good for awhile, but him and Leuer could not hold down the PF spot.

Unless we get a good deal, I want to closely watch how he plays with the guys on opening night. I think that will tell us a lot about what kind of guy HE really is. I just read Paola's article, and she makes many great points.

Personally, I think if he is here opening night, he is going to play his ass off, and even if he is still pissed, focus it on destroying the other team. The best way he gets out of here is to show his value.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you about this.

Really? I was under the impression you liked Kieff?

[Mr Puddles]

Basically the Suns need to sit Kieff down, they need to explain to him that they will not trade him for pennies on the dollar. If Kieff has half a brain he'll understand that it's not in his careers best interest to be a nuisance next season if he doesn't get his way - it will make it more difficult to trade him.

If Kieff plays well, and behaves, for half a season there should plenty of suitors around the trade deadline willing to acquire him. If he continues to throw a temper tantrum every time he doesn't get his way, the market for him will shrivel quicker than Mr. Puddles Jr after a dip in the arctics - and Kieff may find himself playing back-up power forward for the 76ers.

[Frank Lee]

Can any of you rah rah-ers at least acknowledge this Front Office has screwed up in the handling of their players ? Do we need to list out all of McDuh (and the Babbler) 's transactions just so you can see that they are not collectively King Midas. Some critical mistakes/gambles have been made. I guess every talking head, outsider, and general boarder is completely wrong in their **** hitting the fan assessment of this team. Let alone me.

This is not how the Front Office envisioned things to be. Not even close.

[AtheJ415]

Can any of you rah rah-ers at least acknowledge this Front Office has screwed up in the handling of their players ? Do we need to list out all of McDuh (and the Babbler) 's transactions just so you can see that they are not collectively King Midas. Some critical mistakes/gambles have been made. I guess every talking head, outsider, and general boarder is completely wrong in their **** hitting the fan assessment of this team. Let alone me.

This is not how the Front Office envisioned things to be. Not even close.

No. Because you're simply wrong.

[bwgood77]

Can any of you rah rah-ers at least acknowledge this Front Office has screwed up in the handling of their players ? Do we need to list out all of McDuh (and the Babbler) 's transactions just so you can see that they are not collectively King Midas. Some critical mistakes/gambles have been made. I guess every talking head, outsider, and general boarder is completely wrong in their **** hitting the fan assessment of this team. Let alone me.

This is not how the Front Office envisioned things to be. Not even close.

Oh yeah, I've said multiple times that their communication with players and roles is obviously bad. I think McD tells people what they want to hear and needs to learn to tell them the truth (to the extent it makes sense to).

Obviously some players feel like they were screwed over....and if it is once, fine, but it is obviously a communication issue. I think IT is the biggest one...not that they promised him to start...they probably said something like "if you outplay the other guys, you could have the opportunity to start" but they probably never should have signed him in the first place, but the end result is getting a first round pick out of it, so fine...but it kind of killed a season.....but for the people who hate bad picks, we got the 13th pick instead of the 14th or 15th pick and got Booker who likely would have been taken by OKC if we drafted one spot lower.

Dragic was OBVIOUSLY told different things than what happened. I don't know who's fault that is, but there is some fault there. But two firsts and not paying him a boatload....I'll take it.

The twins....I don't know what was promised..but I'm sure McD said he hoped they could play together with the Suns for their careers. But they messed up their own situation. Bringing the twin in was stupid, but that wasn't McD...Babby obviously had something to do with it, so I guess you can put some of the blame there.

But yes, the one possible big problem with the front office right now is possibly promising things you can't and don't deliver.

I expect that gets better with experience as a GM.

[saintEscaton]

Can any of you rah rah-ers at least acknowledge this Front Office has screwed up in the handling of their players ? Do we need to list out all of McDuh (and the Babbler) 's transactions just so you can see that they are not collectively King Midas. Some critical mistakes/gambles have been made. I guess every talking head, outsider, and general boarder is completely wrong in their **** hitting the fan assessment of this team. Let alone me.

This is not how the Front Office envisioned things to be. Not even close.

No. Because you're simply wrong.

[saintEscaton]

Also seems like I can't AND1 any posts after this new system update.

[letsgosuns]

Can any of you rah rah-ers at least acknowledge this Front Office has screwed up in the handling of their players ? Do we need to list out all of McDuh (and the Babbler) 's transactions just so you can see that they are not collectively King Midas. Some critical mistakes/gambles have been made. I guess every talking head, outsider, and general boarder is completely wrong in their **** hitting the fan assessment of this team. Let alone me.

This is not how the Front Office envisioned things to be. Not even close.

The front office definitely screwed things up royally with quite a few moves. Even at the time it was done, I felt the Morris brother extensions were horrible moves and I loathed them. Signing Isaiah Thomas was a disaster. Drafting Tyler Ennis was pointless and redundant. I hate the dual point guard idea with a passion. I also would have traded Dragic far before he demanded a trade. I would have traded him after they re-signed Bledsoe and gone with a traditional shooting guard. I said all this stuff last offseason and I saw it coming.

Two point guards do not work. I will be honest. I want the Suns to do great and win a title but I have no expectations of the Suns making the playoffs. I also am expecting the same problems as last year where there are too many guards and only one ball. The Suns entered the season with two major holes in their lineup. Small forward and power forward. Tucker and Markieff are not starting caliber players. What have they done to fix that problem? Nothing. As of right now, Tucker and Markieff are the two starting forwards.

Basically I am just closing my eyes and wishing the Suns would be good. Although, the one thing I disagree with is this so called bad reputation around the league because of players wanting out. To hell with that. Screw those players. They all sucked anyway. Chandler and Knight and Teletovich all want to play here. However, If I had my choice, I would trade one of Knight or Bledsoe, give all the shooting guard minutes to Goodwin and Booker, start Warren, dump Tucker and Markieff, sign anyone with potential to be the new starting power forward, and then play Chandler and Len at center. That is just me though.