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Post#1901 » by Cutter » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:02 am

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Cutter wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.


Who are their "young" players in this scenario? Booker, Len, and Warren?

Yes, Booker, Len, Warren. No mention of knight in the "young" grouping.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1902 » by Damkac » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:13 am

Cutter wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.

I love everything about this except of three words "and Corey Brewer" :(
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1903 » by thamadkant » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:22 am

Doesnt make sense trading for Brewer if the team is blowing it up and playing the youth.



Expirings instead.


As my earlier trade proposals.
Jeff Green, David Lee are good options as they are expiring.
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Post#1904 » by rsavaj » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:26 am

I'm listening to the Gambo segments and I don't hear him citing sources in the Suns talking about blowing up the team. He did say there was a source in the Suns who said Kieff was basically dogging it to not let Marcus down. He also said that other NBA people, outside the team, said that the Suns SHOULD blow it up. But I still haven't heard him say that the Suns want to blow it up.

He does preface the "they want to move Kieff and PJ" thing with "from what I'm hearing", but again he doesn't really point to a Suns source who says they're trying to blow up the team.
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Post#1905 » by thamadkant » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:36 am

Winning championships starts by getting players and staff that works hard, smart and willing to play team ball over individual stats. Spurs come to mind. Another way is getting super competitive superstars that demand high level from team mates... Lakers tend to do it this way.

Or you can simply luck out and develop players from within that turn out to be amazing with each other like the Warriors.

The suns are closest to the warriors way... But lacking star players like Curry, Green, Thompson and super role players like Iguadala, Bogut, Barnes etc who sacrifice stats for synergy.
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Post#1906 » by Revived » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:52 am

Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?
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Post#1907 » by nevetsov » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:03 am

By virtue of the fact that Horny is still playing 12 guys, we need to trim the fat so he doesn't have that option. Seems as though it's the only way things will change.

After the past few games, i'm really buying into the Chandler + Tucker + Kieff for Joe Johnson idea now. Trim that Xmas fat!!

Perhaps even Knight for Collison, Koufos and a first on Jan 15th?

Bledsoe, Collison
Johnson, Booker (next season Bogdan replaces JJ, Booker starts)
Warren, Weems
Leuer, Teletovic
Len, Koufos
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Post#1908 » by LukasBMW » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:41 am

It's about god damn time we tank properly.

I'd love love love to dangle Knight/Chandler/Tucker/Keef for young talent.
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Post#1909 » by theSUNalsoRISES » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:07 am

LukasBMW wrote:It's about god damn time we tank properly.

I'd love love love to dangle Knight/Chandler/Tucker/Keef for young talent.

**** year to tank. If we miss out of the #1 pick (which is almost a certainty being the suns n all) there arnt no real game changers. Great young talent is hard to get. Maybe looney from the warriors. A bulls package around Chandler & tucker for portis n an expiring Noah. Unfortunately our best hope at being relevant is the course we are on...hoping a big star free agent signs and joins our existing core. Maybe durant loves wearing orange hates westbrook and harden sold him on how wonderful arizona is???..and thats our best shot. Hopefully 50 cent trumps drake.
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Post#1910 » by Saberestar » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:08 am

It's amazing how bad is playing Chandler...IDK if he has regressed a ton or he is not healthy enough or whatever.....
This guy played well the first 10 games of the season and then he disappeared, just weird, but he is playing horrible basketball the last 5 games.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1911 » by Grots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:08 am

SF88 wrote:Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?


:noway:

The only reason the Suns might take Brewer is because Kieff's contract is 8 and Terrence Jones' contract is tiny. You can't just swap them. The Rockets have to give up a lot more money than Jones to take in Kieff's contract. You can try and get other parts instead, like Jones + McDaniels and Dekker, but the Rockets probably don't value Kieff that highly.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1912 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:10 am

SF88 wrote:Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?


Please stop trolling the board with your nonsense. They need to match salaries. I doubt they want him. His shooting is terrible. But it's probably him or if they want to do it sooner, it would have to be Lawson, and I'm sure you'll then go on about the Suns being obsessed about PGs. Personally if they want Jones (I know you want D-Mo but he is not likely going anywhere) I'd just make the trade now and take on Lawson and waive him or whatever and send out Tucker too.
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Post#1913 » by i505 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:24 am

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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1914 » by Revived » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:37 am

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SF88 wrote:Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?


Please stop trolling the board with your nonsense. They need to match salaries. I doubt they want him. His shooting is terrible. But it's probably him or if they want to do it sooner, it would have to be Lawson, and I'm sure you'll then go on about the Suns being obsessed about PGs. Personally if they want Jones (I know you want D-Mo but he is not likely going anywhere) I'd just make the trade now and take on Lawson and waive him or whatever and send out Tucker too.

Who gives a s**t, Terrence Jones isn't the next Charles Barkley we shouldn't have to take on one of the worst contracts in the NBA to get an decent not great player in Jones. Jones btw is a player that most of their fans on their forum clutchfans hate similar to Bucks fans on Knight but who cares let's just hoard as many Kentucky players as possible.

I would rather just trade Kieff for an expiring contract like David Lee (expiring contract) then even if it's a 3 way but with us only getting Lee in return.

If the Suns want Terrence Jones oh so badly, then they can wait 6 months and sign him then when the Rockets aren't gonna care about matching the hefty contract he recieves since they have ton of talented big men plus would probably rather use money to get help for Harden on the perimeter, not the front court.

If we somehow miss out on him, oh well. T-Jones isn't some super hot prospect to cry over so no big loss.
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Post#1915 » by JohnWall2 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:50 am

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

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Post#1916 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:55 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?


Please stop trolling the board with your nonsense. They need to match salaries. I doubt they want him. His shooting is terrible. But it's probably him or if they want to do it sooner, it would have to be Lawson, and I'm sure you'll then go on about the Suns being obsessed about PGs. Personally if they want Jones (I know you want D-Mo but he is not likely going anywhere) I'd just make the trade now and take on Lawson and waive him or whatever and send out Tucker too.

Who gives a s**t, Terrence Jones isn't the next Charles Barkley we shouldn't have to take on one of the worst contracts in the NBA to get an decent not great player in Jones. Jones btw is a player that most of their fans on their forum clutchfans hate similar to Bucks fans on Knight but who cares let's just hoard as many Kentucky players as possible.

I would rather just trade Kieff for an expiring contract like David Lee (expiring contract) then even if it's a 3 way but with us only getting Lee in return.

If the Suns want Terrence Jones oh so badly, then they can wait 6 months and sign him then when the Rockets aren't gonna care about matching the hefty contract he recieves since they have ton of talented big men plus would probably rather use money to get help for Harden on the perimeter, not the front court.

If we somehow miss out on him, oh well. T-Jones isn't some super hot prospect to cry over so no big loss.


Well, I'm not entirely sure they want him that bad. That's why I said IF they want Jones, that's what they have to do. I had originally thought Brewer only had one more year, so I certainly don't like the contract either but it would be nice to get a guy that might WANT to help the player night in and night out that we have complete control over. It's hard enough to get Free Agents, so Restricted ones are the best ones to have. He's still young, in a rookie contract, won a national championship, is athletic, and block shots and hit 3s.

I mean an athletic stretch 4 is kind of what we want. His age fits us. He can be a perimeter player. He has gotten much better shooting every year and shoots over 40% from 3. I don't know how many rookie contract PFs shoot over 40% from 3 but I'm guessing the list isn't long. He's really exactly the kind of player we need. athletic, shoots 3s well and can block shots.

I think getting restricted free agents is pretty valuable because you KNOW you have them. We knew we had Kieff but screwed that up, or the twins did it to themselves, so it would be best to get a guy you know you can keep instead of shoot for the stars on a FA star and miss.

Everyone is going to have cap space and the premier free agents are not likely going anywhere.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1917 » by TeamTragic » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:05 am

Cutter wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.


:o :o :o :o :o

Is the front office (including Sarver) thinking clearly now? You can't blame McD if Sarver has a hard on for the 8th seed. If this is the thought process then get the fire sale started.
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Post#1918 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:39 am

Houston's record is 5th best in the last 10 games.

I suspect they'll push to the All-Star break before making big moves now.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1919 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:13 am

GoranTragic wrote:
Cutter wrote:Gambo said today on his radio show that Suns are moving in the direction of blowing it up:

McD is looking to trade Kieff, and might be waiting until Jan. 15th to trade him for TJones and Corey Brewer. (Old information)
Gambo's sources are saying the Suns are looking to trade PJ Tucker. (New information)
I was unclear what we will be doing with Tyson Chandler.

Gambo's sources say the Suns believe this rebuild isn't working, and they want to blow it up and play their young players.

Take it for what it's worth from Gambo.


:o :o :o :o :o

Is the front office (including Sarver) thinking clearly now? You can't blame McD if Sarver has a hard on for the 8th seed. If this is the thought process then get the fire sale started.


Maybe, I kind of think they were thinking in that sense 2 1/2 years ago and planned to trade all the old guys, and the team, unfortunately, vastly overachieved and got Sarver excited that we were already ready to make the playoffs. But many fans felt the same way because we have almost always made the playoffs so that makes it a little tough.

It's interesting because although the Bucks made the playoffs last year, and suck this year, they understand that they overachieved last year and that they are still in a rebuilding process. I wish Sarver would have realized that after the surprise season and know it was fools gold.

I like to hope for the best, and I like many things about Bledsoe and Knight, but my biggest fear is that they never become smarter players, and if your two primary ball handlers are not smart players, I don't care who you have (coach or frontcourt), you're in trouble.

It would have been really nice to have Nash HERE as a mentor. I would LOVE for us to somehow convince KJ to come and coach the point guards. I'm sure if Hornacek asked (if he's still around) he might give it some thought.
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Re: Potential Trade Thread 

Post#1920 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:14 am

SF88 wrote:Why are the Suns so infested with Corey garbage Brewer? You know if Hornacek can get his hands on him, he's gonna be playing him more mins than Warren.

Did Brewer go to Kentucky or something for the Suns to love him so much?


It's for salary purposes. Houston is hard capped, so they essentially have to trade about $7-8.2 million in this deal if it's for Markieff only, and accordingly the only other option would be Ariza, who has more value than any of the players in the trade so that won't be an option, or else what I would want--McDaniels and any other $1 million salary, but Houston probably doesn't want to include McDaniels. I'd throw in a pick to make that trade, but we'll see.

The most obvious solution is a 3 way trade with a team who wouldn't mind taking Corey Brewer for free or an expiring of any kind. We have nearly a month to find that team.

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