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Post#1901 » by jredsaz » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:47 pm

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Gorilla Warfare wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. Even without including Jackson in a trade, Bledsoe and any other player (except Booker) along with a Miami pick is a more than fair offer that likely would not be beat for Kyrie. They can take it or leave it. I'm good either way.

My personal preference would be to not have that other player be Chriss, because he really could be our next Amare, just has to adjust to the muscle added and calm down on the court.


I am starting to think we can beat just about any other team with something like that if we include a young player, mainly because Bledsoe is the better PG, because we also have picks and young players. But if they want a young player, and don't like ours, who knows?

The one team that could absolutely beat us is Boston. Now I think they SHOULD get in the mix, and even throw IT in there. Even though IT was better this past season, has a better TS%, eFG%, passes more, etc, and advanced #s favored him, he's 3 years older and I think Irving would put up even better numbers in Boston, and if I was Boston, I'd prefer to give him the max over IT.

Several suitors contend there are two teams with the best ability to make deals for Irving: the Suns and Boston Celtics. So far, the Suns are unwilling to include No. 4 overall pick Josh Jackson in a trade, league sources said. The Celtics are monitoring, but it's unclear how aggressive they'll get -- and how motivated the Cavaliers would be to make a deal with their fiercest conference rival.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20177155/kyrie-irving-trade-talks-show-how-much-teams-including-cleveland-cavaliers-value-him

They have a boatload of picks, IT, and a bunch of young guys and a vet to throw in. They could offer IT, a couple of their own picks, and Tatum or Brown....or they could throw in Crowder. If they want to keep both Tatum and Brown, give Crowder and another young guy like Ojeleye and/or Zizic.

They have all sorts of young guys and picks.

I'm not sure the Cavs would be willing to deal with Boston, but they should look into it if they want the best assets. Boston has been stubborn, but this is the one deal where IT is replaceable, and they wouldn't have to max IT.

I just don't see the Celtics, who wouldn't pony up for Cousins, Butler, and George, to trade all those assets for a point guard who is arguably not as good as the one they have.

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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1902 » by BobbieL » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:53 pm

LukasBMW wrote:The more I compare Bledsoe VS. Irving on stats alone, the less sold I am on Irving being a better player. That's not even considering defense.

Both have injury histories to consider also Bledsoe seems to be a bit more concerning there.

The eye test is a different story, I've watched Irving catch fire and take over games. Bledsoe can dominate, but it seems to happen less often.

Irving has a rep for being a better shooter, and from the eye test, I believe it, but again looking at the pure numbers, Bledsoe seems pretty comparable especially given his improved outside shot.

If we can do a straight up Bledsoe/Dudley/Miami 18" swap (with the Miami pick turning into the lesser of the Suns/Miami 2019 pick). I'm down.

Otherwise...I'm out.


I would be good with Bledsoe, Dudley, Millsap Miami 18, hell, throw in the Toronto 18 second rounder for Kyrie, Shumpert and Jefferson. If they want Tyson, take out RJ and put in Frye - numbers work pretty close
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Post#1904 » by matt131 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:02 pm

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Dang this whole kyrie thing has had so many conflicting reports. I really wish we knew what was actually happening haha. It would be the boring option, but I'm wondering if kyrie just ends up playing with the Cavs until the deadline or the entire year. It would be awkward but it's the only thing not being reported lol


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Post#1907 » by Saberestar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:09 pm

I think that Popovich is gonna get Kyrie. He played defense for USA in the Olympics and he shared the ball.

He is a monster and Popovich can use him perfectly. He can be the newest and better version of Tony Parker in San Antonio. With Leonard and him they can be great for another 5 consecutive years.

If the offers are not too good Dejaunte Murray, LaMarcus Aldridge and a couple of first round picks can get it done.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1908 » by gaspar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:12 pm

Saberestar wrote:I think that Popovich is gonna get Kyrie. He played defense for USA in the Olympics and he shared the ball.

He is a monster and Popovich can use him perfectly. He can be the newest and better version of Tony Parker in San Antonio. With Leonard and him they can be great for another 5 consecutive years.

If the offers are not too good Dejaunte Murray, LaMarcus Aldridge and a couple of first round picks can get it done.

No chance. LMA is washed up and they already have LeBron, Love and TT. Murray is a marginal prospect.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1909 » by Sreister » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:18 pm

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Saberestar wrote:I think that Popovich is gonna get Kyrie. He played defense for USA in the Olympics and he shared the ball.

He is a monster and Popovich can use him perfectly. He can be the newest and better version of Tony Parker in San Antonio. With Leonard and him they can be great for another 5 consecutive years.

If the offers are not too good Dejaunte Murray, LaMarcus Aldridge and a couple of first round picks can get it done.

No chance. LMA is washed up and they already have LeBron, Love and TT. Murray is a marginal prospect.


HATED it at the time, but I'm pretty happy we missed on the LMA in hindsight. Hated all this talk about how he wants OUT of SA. As much hate as we all rightly have for them, no one should want OUT of that situation unless you are a less than desirable player. Sounds like his ego is bigger than I thought.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1910 » by Saberestar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:19 pm

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Saberestar wrote:I think that Popovich is gonna get Kyrie. He played defense for USA in the Olympics and he shared the ball.

He is a monster and Popovich can use him perfectly. He can be the newest and better version of Tony Parker in San Antonio. With Leonard and him they can be great for another 5 consecutive years.

If the offers are not too good Dejaunte Murray, LaMarcus Aldridge and a couple of first round picks can get it done.

No chance. LMA is washed up and they already have LeBron, Love and TT. Murray is a marginal prospect.

No chance? They have made an offer already and they are one of the favourite destinations for Kyrie.

They can work a three team trade, or the Cavs trade Love or TT for a wing player. There are always options.

Murray is a decent prospect. He has upside.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1911 » by matt131 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:36 pm

Shams - Free agent guard Ramon Sessions is finalizing a one-year deal with the New York Knicks, league sources tell The Vertical.

So I guess they don't want kyrie anymore....haha


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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1912 » by Puff » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:41 pm

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LukasBMW wrote:I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.


I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there


I like Ulis as much as the next guy. We have looked much better as a team with him on the court.

However I really do not see him as ever being a reliable starter in this league.

I have serious issues about durability as well as size.

Would anyone really want to max out Isaih Thomas?
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1913 » by 8on » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:44 pm

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bigfoot wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.


I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there


I like Ulis as much as the next guy. We have looked much better as a team with him on the court.

However I really do not see him as ever being a reliable starter in this league.

I have serious issues about durability as well as size.

Would anyone really want to max out Isaih Thomas?


I would. He's ridiculous.
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Post#1914 » by Villalobos » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:51 pm

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I'm half serious. He seems like he's actually learning how to play basketball since getting to Brooklyn. If you can get him on a cheap partially guaranteed deal, I'd do it. He can battle for backup 2 minutes with Reed. And imo, it doesn't matter how much experience they have (college, Europe), rookies usually suck. Reed might not be ready for real minutes yet even if he had a decent summer league.
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Post#1915 » by TeamTragic » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:51 pm

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Puff wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there


I like Ulis as much as the next guy. We have looked much better as a team with him on the court.

However I really do not see him as ever being a reliable starter in this league.

I have serious issues about durability as well as size.

Would anyone really want to max out Isaih Thomas?


I would. He's ridiculous.


Would you rather max out Kyrie or IT?
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1916 » by 8on » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:54 pm

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dantley4prez wrote:
Puff wrote:
I like Ulis as much as the next guy. We have looked much better as a team with him on the court.

However I really do not see him as ever being a reliable starter in this league.

I have serious issues about durability as well as size.

Would anyone really want to max out Isaih Thomas?


I would. He's ridiculous.


Would you rather max out Kyrie or IT?


Probably IT. IT is unfairly maligned because of his height. Height doesn't mean that much when you're a guard. IT literally had one of the 30 best offensive seasons of all time last year.
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Post#1917 » by NTB » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:59 pm

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#bringhimhome

I'm half serious. He seems like he's actually learning how to play basketball since getting to Brooklyn. If you can get him on a cheap partially guaranteed deal, I'd do it. He can battle for backup 2 minutes with Reed. And imo, it doesn't matter how much experience they have (college, Europe), rookies usually suck. Reed might not be ready for real minutes yet even if he had a decent summer league.


Then why Nets waived him?
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Post#1918 » by Sreister » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:01 pm

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#bringhimhome

I'm half serious. He seems like he's actually learning how to play basketball since getting to Brooklyn. If you can get him on a cheap partially guaranteed deal, I'd do it. He can battle for backup 2 minutes with Reed. And imo, it doesn't matter how much experience they have (college, Europe), rookies usually suck. Reed might not be ready for real minutes yet even if he had a decent summer league.


Then why Nets waived him?


Kind of my thought process. Something is messed up with him, the Nets at this point just need able bodies and with the upside he was supposed to have he was perfect for them. The fact that he signed a multi year deal and they cut him speaks volumes.
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Post#1919 » by Fo-Real » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:01 pm

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#bringhimhome

I'm half serious. He seems like he's actually learning how to play basketball since getting to Brooklyn. If you can get him on a cheap partially guaranteed deal, I'd do it. He can battle for backup 2 minutes with Reed. And imo, it doesn't matter how much experience they have (college, Europe), rookies usually suck. Reed might not be ready for real minutes yet even if he had a decent summer league.


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Post#1920 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:11 pm

gaspar wrote:Woj:
Altman and the Cavaliers haven't been overzealous on the phones. They've been deliberate in returning calls and canvassing for offers, trying to create the illusion that there's no urgency, no desperation. Whether it works to solicit more aggressive offers or not, they'll find out soon enough.


That could explain why Gambo's "sources" are saying what they are saying.


This pretty much reassures everything i have been saying. I trust Woj and his sources a million times more than Gambo and his.
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