2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick!

[WeekapaugGroove]

We need to trade our pick for a vet and we need to put next years pick on the table as well.

Why?

The draft is about to become a TOTAL crapshoot. Between the new lottery odds AND the fact that we will soon be drafting high schoolers again, the top 20 picks might become about even. A good scouting team will become 10x as important as where you pick.

In the future, there might be a few unanimous high school players who are obvious #1 picks (Lebron), but there will be more spectacular busts like Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Robert Swift, etc.

Even guys like Jermanine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson took forever to develop.

100% ..... We need to get some win-now players to improve the culture of the franchise. No more timeline, no more developing new draft picks, no more 19 year olds. That **** is done. Time to get some legit talent that can help us transition to the next level.

If that means trading our 2020 unprotected pick as well to grab an all-star .... Do IT

The time is this offseason !!! Time to be bold !

I'm fine trading this pick but there are VERY few circumstances I'm ever in favor of trading any futer unprotected picks. You can get yourself into trouble real fast doing that.

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[BobbieL]

We need to trade our pick for a vet and we need to put next years pick on the table as well.

Why?

The draft is about to become a TOTAL crapshoot. Between the new lottery odds AND the fact that we will soon be drafting high schoolers again, the top 20 picks might become about even. A good scouting team will become 10x as important as where you pick.

In the future, there might be a few unanimous high school players who are obvious #1 picks (Lebron), but there will be more spectacular busts like Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Robert Swift, etc.

Even guys like Jermanine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson took forever to develop.

100% ..... We need to get some win-now players to improve the culture of the franchise. No more timeline, no more developing new draft picks, no more 19 year olds. That **** is done. Time to get some legit talent that can help us transition to the next level.

If that means trading our 2020 unprotected pick as well to grab an all-star .... Do IT

The time is this offseason !!! Time to be bold !

I'm fine trading this pick but there are VERY few circumstances I'm ever in favor of trading any futer unprotected picks. You can get yourself into trouble real fast doing that.

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I am not for trading future picks that are unprotected. But I am good trading the 6th pick this year, the 2019 SRP as well as the 2020 Bucks pick.

[mg]

Klutch and/or Lakers desperately trying to raise the value of Garland and the #4 pick. I don't buy it the last thing a Lebron team needs is a 19 yo pg.

[Weemsickew14]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

[Puff]

My problem is trying to understand why we have very little cap room going into this off season after winning only 19 games.

How in the world are we going to fix this hot mess? Why would another team want anyone off this team in trade for anything of value.

We need two positions filled in the worst way PG and PF while wanting to sign Kelly Oubre as well. Where is that money coming from?

I have read some of the trade proposals suggested on this board and virtually all of them have us giving up players we do not want to fill a need. To repeat, why would another team want a player from a 19 win team? Especially when your prime trade piece now has troubles with the law.

I still have hope but I have had that for a very long time.

[Puff]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

The Brooklyn Nets

[bwgood77]

The Stepien has Culver at #2 in a two-man tier with Barrett, but I wonder how much of that is due to their little theory that Culver is around 6'8" and growing, and how far he'll drop in their estimation now that he's officially listed at 6'6.75". That's still taller than his previously listed 6'5" and still great size for a backcourt player, but it's not the Giannis-like "gigantic human being" territory they seemed to let themselves get hyped up about.

Those "Rankings" are from 2 months ago.

There hasn't been much basketball played since then. That was mid March...just the tourney, so some prospects played 2-4 games and Hunter/Culver played 6. Probably not too much changed since then.

[Stix]

Would draft Hachimura ahead of Clarke. Go back and watch Gonzagas tournament games and tell me otherwise.

[Qwigglez]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

The Brooklyn Nets

Yeah if they are trying to add two top free agents, trading Dinwiddie for the No 6 pick doesn’t do much for them. I could see Warren and the Bucks pick for Dinwiddie From our perspective, but the Nets would counter with the pick swap of 6 for 17. And then that’s a no from us. There’s no point for the Nets to trade Dinwiddie for the sake of trading him. Only if they end up getting Kyrie and someone else (Durant, Middleton, Harris), and keep DLo.

I could see a potential three team trade where the Nets trade Crabbe for JR Smith (team option) creating a lot more cap space, the Cavs getting the 6th pick, Suns get Dinwiddie. If we could do that and only give up Josh Jackson Id be down. Too complicated though and the Nets take a ton of risk hoping they land free agents, if they miss out though they are screwed.

[Wilber85]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

The Brooklyn Nets

I would say no. I would rather have Garland then Dinwiddie

[Ghost of Kleine]

Are we really expecting to get a player shooting better than 34% from three, 33% from 16'-3pt, 41% from 10-16', 43% from 3-10', and 69% at the rim, who grabs 8.7 rebounds a game, and gets 21 points per game? Defense and fit next to Ayton I can understand being concerned about, but if the whole team is hustling, defense can easily improve.

He could be our Marion 2.0 for us, Not a bad consolation for one of our needs to be met.

Why are y'all so high on clarke. Dude is tiny for a 4 and we already have 3 - SF's

Also Culver was trash in the NCAA tournament

We need to focus on either Garland or Coby White for PG. Then free agency

I hear ya man. With Clarke though, it's his defensive skillset, his statistical percentages, and energy and athleticism that are enticing for a team such as the suns.

And even though he is somewhat undersized for most people's liking. But with the direction that the league is heading currently with more teams going smaller in a small ball type of open floor scoring mentality,

Many feel that it somewhat negates his lack of size and girth. Mainly due to his athleticism.

As for White or Garland, For my part, I personally have White ahead of Garland, Primarily because of Whites' size advantage, better defense, and better passing skills. But having said that, I wouldn't at all be upset with either at 6 honestly.

But given that currently, In free agency it appears far easier to find a decent point guard than to hopefully find an affordable and decent defensive 4, It's only reasonable to absolutely consider Clarke, at 6 as well.

Just my opinion.

[bwgood77]

Would draft Hachimura ahead of Clarke. Go back and watch Gonzagas tournament games and tell me otherwise.

I watched them and not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Besides the eye test, defense and bbiq, the #s per game..

Clarke - 20.25 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg, 2.5 apg, 1.25 spg, 64.7% fg%

Hachimura - 16.5 ppg, 5.75 rpg, .75 apg, .5 bpg, .25 spg on 45% FG%, 0-4 from 3

So Clarke plays much better defense, scores much more efficiently, doubles him in rebounds, 6x as many blocks, over 3x assists, 5x as many steals.

What am I missing? Is it just the wingspan? I want guys who know how to play and provide all those intangibles across the board...make an impact...tired of projection.

[BobbieL]

Would draft Hachimura ahead of Clarke. Go back and watch Gonzagas tournament games and tell me otherwise.

I watched them and not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Besides the eye test, defense and bbiq, the #s per game..

Clarke - 20.25 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg, 2.5 apg, 1.25 spg, 64.7% fg%

Hachimura - 16.5 ppg, 5.75 rpg, .75 apg, .5 bpg, .25 spg on 45% FG%, 0-4 from 3

So Clarke plays much better defense, scores much more efficiently, doubles himhim rebounds, 6x as many blocks, over 3x assists, 5x as many steals.

What am I missing? Is it just the wingspan? I want guys who know how to play and provide all those intangibles across the board...make an impact...tired of projection.

The Suns can use a player that can come in and contribute a skill set. Even if limited - meaning, Clarke is similar to Tevon Looney in that he can run the floor, block shots, rebound and defend. Even if limited offensively. Thats fine. There is a need for that. Clarke, even with measurables - still is probably pretty high on my board for the Suns with how I think he can contribute next year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

As for having fun with comparisons for the prospects we'd be looking at in our range at 6,

Should any of these prospects reach their potential ceilings for us , Then I could reasonably see these comparisons:

Darius Garland-

A Kyrie Irving/ Stephen Curry hybrid( Hopefully not just a taller Tyler Ulis)

Jarrett Culver-

A less athletic Joe Johnson/ Paul Pierce hybrid. ( hopefully not another Evan Turner)

Coby White-

A Jamal Murray/ Sam Cassel hybrid. ( Hopefully not just a better shooting cuttino Mobley)

Brandon Clarke-

A Sean Marion/ Kenneth Faried hybrid. ( Hopefully not just another shane Battier/ david lee mix)

And outside of the lottery:

Nickiel Alexander Walker-

A Shai Gilgeous Alexander/ George Hill hybrid. ( Hopefully not a lesser version of current aged George hill)

Mfiondu Kabengele- A Serge Ibaka/ better defense Tim Thomas. ( Hopefully doesn't become another biyombo only with better shooting)

Cam Johnson- A Justin Jackson/ Mirotic hybrid.( Hopefully he gets stronger, and doesn't become like the current version of Trevor Ariza)

[Kerrsed]

Anyone else watching the Combine?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Klutch and/or Lakers desperately trying to raise the value of Garland and the #4 pick. I don't buy it the last thing a Lebron team needs is a 19 yo pg.

That's true, But they'll probably just move the pick to the Pels in their package for Davis.

And if not, IF Kyrie joins Lebron, then Garland would still provide shooting at the 2 for them.

[Saberestar]

Would draft Hachimura ahead of Clarke. Go back and watch Gonzagas tournament games and tell me otherwise.

I watched them and not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Besides the eye test, defense and bbiq, the #s per game..

Clarke - 20.25 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg, 2.5 apg, 1.25 spg, 64.7% fg%

Hachimura - 16.5 ppg, 5.75 rpg, .75 apg, .5 bpg, .25 spg on 45% FG%, 0-4 from 3

So Clarke plays much better defense, scores much more efficiently, doubles himhim rebounds, 6x as many blocks, over 3x assists, 5x as many steals.

What am I missing? Is it just the wingspan? I want guys who know how to play and provide all those intangibles across the board...make an impact...tired of projection.

It is all about their skillset.

Rui knows how to create for himself and even for others. He can make plays. Good ball handler for his size, plays on the perimeter and in the paint.

Clarke scores the majority of his points like a prototypical C...put backs, alley oops, finishing around the rim...all those shots are not gonna be easy at his size in the next level and he can not create his own shots and that is a big problem if you want him as a future starter in the NBA.

Rui is a couple years younger and defensivey he is good enough. He plays smart...he reminds me of Tatum defensively.

What frontcourt player starts in the NBA only for his defense?

I like Clarke, and I would be OK drafting him at #6, but there are legit concerns.

I think Rui and Garland have way more upside and can be better than him as soon as next season in the NBA, so for now I would prefer these two prospects over Clarke.

[King4Day]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

That's a pretty damn fair trade.

[King4Day]

Spencer Dinwiddie + 17th for 6th, Josh and Bucks future pick.
Who says no?

The Brooklyn Nets

I would say no. I would rather have Garland then Dinwiddie

If Garland was available, I'd agree. I just can't see him being passed up by LA :-/
Or that Cleveland could deal with Chicago.

[proedros1908]

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