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Post#1901 » by alamin330 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:09 pm

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

Dinwiddie + 17 + 27 for 6 + Warren

I think that's an overpay for Dinwiddie. Warren alone I think is > Dinwiddie. 6 is > 17+27. Suns don't need anymore young players. To have 2 picks in the first round in a weak draft I think is asking for trouble. I'm not a fan of Dinwiddie. I think he's a ballhog. He had 8 total assists in 5 playoff games and 8 turnovers. That doesn't seem like a great pg option who isn't passing in big games. I'd rather take a chance on Garland with the 6th pick. Seems like a lot of people including reporters have set their standards low for this team. That list of pg's Gambo tweeted is depressing except for Beverly, but not for all the cap space. :noway:
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Post#1902 » by Years90Suns » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:12 pm

What do you guys think about a possible BC of Booker and D'Angelo?
I believe it would not be a good fit at all, but the quality would be there...
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Post#1903 » by alamin330 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:13 pm

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

Dinwiddie + 17 + 27 for 6 + Warren

I think that's an overpay for Dinwiddie. Warren alone I think is > Dinwiddie. 6 is > 17+27. Suns don't have a lot of players currently under contract they can trade before free agency starts. Unless its Dinwiddie, 17, 27 for 6 and Okobo I wouldn't even consider it. Suns don't need anymore young players. To have 2 picks in the first round in a weak draft I think is asking for trouble. I'm not a fan of Dinwiddie. I think he's a ballhog. He had 8 total assists in 5 playoff games and 8 turnovers. That doesn't seem like a great pg option who isn't passing in big games. I'd rather take a chance on Garland with the 6th pick. Seems like a lot of people including reporters have set their standards low for this team. That list of pg's Gambo tweeted is depressing except for Beverly, but not for all the cap space. :noway:
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Post#1904 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:15 pm

BobbieL wrote:Gambo is saying the 6th pick is not for sell for the right PG on his radio show. But he added the caveat they are not looking at high priced veteran point guards.

So his tweet was "all semantics" - its not a NO its a "yes, but.." type tweet. And as we have pointed out - he is talking about trading the 6th pick for Paul, Lowry, Conley. So his tweet should have been more detailed.


Burns being reasonable...


I don't understand what you are saying. Are you sure you worded this correctly? Did you mean to say it IS for sale for the RIGHT PG but not Paul, Lowry, Conley?
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Post#1905 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:19 pm

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BobbieL wrote:Gambo is saying the 6th pick is not for sell for the right PG on his radio show. But he added the caveat they are not looking at high priced veteran point guards.

So his tweet was "all semantics" - its not a NO its a "yes, but.." type tweet. And as we have pointed out - he is talking about trading the 6th pick for Paul, Lowry, Conley. So his tweet should have been more detailed.


Burns being reasonable...


I don't understand what you are saying. Are you sure you worded this correctly? Did you mean to say it IS for sale for the RIGHT PG but not Paul, Lowry, Conley?


Yes, sorry. Now I am typing like Gambo is talking. :)

Gambo mentioned names like Paul, Conley and Lowry that would not be traded for the 6th pick.
and that makes sense. I think thats the consensus on the board

But he threw out Van Vleet and Dinwiddie as two names he would trade the pick for.

So, for the RIGHT PG - he would be open to trading the pick. And it was Burns who got him to that point because Burns was like "all options should be on the table for this team - are you telling me there are no PGs the Suns would trade the 6th pick for?" And thats when Gambo elaborated.

And nobody on this board is saying give the 6th pick in an S&T for say Rubio or Collison or just part of a trade for Paul or Lowry. But for Jrue Holiday, maybe other names - the 6th pick makes sense.
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Post#1906 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:25 pm

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BobbieL wrote:Gambo is saying the 6th pick is not for sell for the right PG on his radio show. But he added the caveat they are not looking at high priced veteran point guards.

So his tweet was "all semantics" - its not a NO its a "yes, but.." type tweet. And as we have pointed out - he is talking about trading the 6th pick for Paul, Lowry, Conley. So his tweet should have been more detailed.


Burns being reasonable...


I don't understand what you are saying. Are you sure you worded this correctly? Did you mean to say it IS for sale for the RIGHT PG but not Paul, Lowry, Conley?


Yes, sorry. Now I am typing like Gambo is talking. :)

Gambo mentioned names like Paul, Conley and Lowry that would not be traded for the 6th pick.
and that makes sense. I think thats the consensus on the board

But he threw out Van Vleet and Dinwiddie as two names he would trade the pick for.

So, for the RIGHT PG - he would be open to trading the pick. And it was Burns who got him to that point because Burns was like "all options should be on the table for this team - are you telling me there are no PGs the Suns would trade the 6th pick for?" And thats when Gambo elaborated.

And nobody on this board is saying give the 6th pick in an S&T for say Rubio or Collison or just part of a trade for Paul or Lowry. But for Jrue Holiday, maybe other names - the 6th pick makes sense.


So it sounds like when he says "The Suns are NOT" and "The Suns might" he is talking about his own opinions then....since you mention he would be open to trading the pick.

Those names...I really like Van Vleet and like Dinwiddie but man I wish we could find our own undrafted free agents and develop them or take them in the 2nd round or something....not use 6th overall picks for guys like that. I get that they have developed into having real value but it's just crazy we can never find a diamond in the rough and meanwhile blow multiple top 10 picks..or top 5 picks.
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Post#1907 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:30 pm

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I don't understand what you are saying. Are you sure you worded this correctly? Did you mean to say it IS for sale for the RIGHT PG but not Paul, Lowry, Conley?


Yes, sorry. Now I am typing like Gambo is talking. :)

Gambo mentioned names like Paul, Conley and Lowry that would not be traded for the 6th pick.
and that makes sense. I think thats the consensus on the board

But he threw out Van Vleet and Dinwiddie as two names he would trade the pick for.

So, for the RIGHT PG - he would be open to trading the pick. And it was Burns who got him to that point because Burns was like "all options should be on the table for this team - are you telling me there are no PGs the Suns would trade the 6th pick for?" And thats when Gambo elaborated.

And nobody on this board is saying give the 6th pick in an S&T for say Rubio or Collison or just part of a trade for Paul or Lowry. But for Jrue Holiday, maybe other names - the 6th pick makes sense.


So it sounds like when he says "The Suns are NOT" and "The Suns might" he is talking about his own opinions then....since you mention he would be open to trading the pick.

Those names...I really like Van Vleet and like Dinwiddie but man I wish we could find our own undrafted free agents and develop them or take them in the 2nd round or something....not use 6th overall picks for guys like that. I get that they have developed into having real value but it's just crazy we can never find a diamond in the rough and meanwhile blow multiple top 10 picks..or top 5 picks.



Exactly. Player development with the Nets under Atkisson and the Raptors - maybe its been Nurse as both Asst and now Head Coach has been excellent. Thats been part of the Suns problem. Maybe the scouting has been poor but not developing these players.


As for Gambo - I think his idea of "veteran PG" is those three guys 30+ making 30m+. Plus, the market is small actually for PGs to traded. T he ones the Suns are probably in the market for are all Free Agents: Beverley, Collison, Corey Joseph, TJ McConnell, Ricky Rubio and some RFAs like Russell, though a long shot, Brogdon and I think Rozier is an RFA (please god no!).
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Post#1908 » by asudevil » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:44 pm

Going out on a limb here:

Suns trade: Johnson/Warren
Suns get: DLO (S&T)

Celtics trade: Kyrie (S&T)/Tatum/Brown
Celtics get: Davis/Warren

Nets trade: DLO (S&T)
Nets get: Kyrie

Pels trade: Davis
Pels get: Johnson/Tatum/Brown

Just a basic deal. Draft picks would most certainly need to be involved
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Post#1909 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:46 pm

Pretty funny, dinwiddie responding to gambos tweet.

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Post#1910 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:52 pm

asudevil wrote:Going out on a limb here:

Suns trade: Johnson/Warren
Suns get: DLO (S&T)

Celtics trade: Kyrie (S&T)/Tatum/Brown
Celtics get: Davis/Warren

Nets trade: DLO (S&T)
Nets get: Kyrie

Pels trade: Davis
Pels get: Johnson/Tatum/Brown

Just a basic deal. Draft picks would most certainly need to be involved
Players leaving in a S&T can't be combined with others for salary purposes. There's also BYC restrictions that come into play.


S&Ts are super tricky with the latest CBA. I'd guess like 75% that get thrown around on realgm aren't actually legal.

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Post#1911 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 4, 2019 9:56 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Pretty funny, dinwiddie responding to gambos tweet.

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I saw that! Very funny
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Post#1912 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:09 pm

LukasBMW wrote:An AD trade should mean Jrue might be available and it also increases the chances Randle walks.

Pels take Zion 1st.
Pels trade AD to the Knicks for #3, Smith Jr, Knox, and future picks
Pels trade Jrue to the Suns for #6, Bumpy, and TJ.

Pels roll out a full rebuild and get some pretty legit pieces.

I wonder if we can get them to trad Jrue for #6, Bumpy, and JJ instead of TJ. I'd even throw in the Bucks pick.

Then we sign Randle.

I'd love to roll out:

Jrue/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre
TJ/Randle
Ayton/Holmes

That's perfect for today's NBA. We can adjust the lineup to go big or small depending on the situation.



Look, i know everybody loves this idea, but one thing is stopping it that people keep choosing to ignore, and that is WE CAN NOT TRADE JOHNSON AT THE DRAFT AS HE HASNT TAKEN HIS PLAYER OPTION!
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Post#1913 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:13 pm

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Not sure what the parameters would be if Nevel is right - or maybe she is being facetious and playing along :)


Warren and 6 for Dinwiddie and 17
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Post#1914 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:17 pm

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A market is forming for Nets All-Star and restricted free agent D’Angelo Russell: Utah, Orlando, Minnesota and Indiana are among the teams expected to show an interest aside from Brooklyn, sources said.


https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/


Out of those 4 teams, i dont think Utah does it, not the typical "Utah" type of player, Orlando will definitely look, Minnesota has Teague and Tyrus and Rose already, Indiana would be a sneaky play.

This to me is an agent trying to drum up the best offer he can, and floats some team names out there that will have cash on hand to get the "Other" teams to be prepared to offer a max contract that have been linked to him.
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Post#1915 » by Stix » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:20 pm

asudevil wrote:Going out on a limb here:

Suns trade: Johnson/Warren
Suns get: DLO (S&T)

Celtics trade: Kyrie (S&T)/Tatum/Brown
Celtics get: Davis/Warren

Nets trade: DLO (S&T)
Nets get: Kyrie

Pels trade: Davis
Pels get: Johnson/Tatum/Brown

Just a basic deal. Draft picks would most certainly need to be involved


Just a basic deal... wtf? When have you ever seen a 4-way trade? Let alone, a dual sign and trade? Or even a single sign & trade in recent years?
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Post#1916 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:24 pm

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

Dinwiddie + 17 + 27 for 6 + Warren

I think that's an overpay for Dinwiddie. Warren alone I think is > Dinwiddie. 6 is > 17+27. Suns don't need anymore young players. To have 2 picks in the first round in a weak draft I think is asking for trouble. I'm not a fan of Dinwiddie. I think he's a ballhog. He had 8 total assists in 5 playoff games and 8 turnovers. That doesn't seem like a great pg option who isn't passing in big games. I'd rather take a chance on Garland with the 6th pick. Seems like a lot of people including reporters have set their standards low for this team. That list of pg's Gambo tweeted is depressing except for Beverly, but not for all the cap space. :noway:

It is an overpay for Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie and 17 for 6. Straight up. Complete the trade after free agency starts. That way salaries do not have to match. That actually will be more appealing to the Nets anyway because they want to move salary.
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Post#1917 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:28 pm

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Not sure what the parameters would be if Nevel is right - or maybe she is being facetious and playing along :)


Warren and 6 for Dinwiddie and 17


I think she responded to the wrong tweet...probably meant that response to this one.

Read on Twitter


6 is plenty for Dinwiddie and 17, Don't need TJ and they probably want to shed salary to get the max slots. But I kind of doubt they would trade Dinwiddie until they see what happens with DLo unless they already know they will absolutely match any offer for him.


Edit: Oops...just saw WG already posted this tweet from Dinwiddie.
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Post#1918 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:36 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
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Not sure what the parameters would be if Nevel is right - or maybe she is being facetious and playing along :)


Warren and 6 for Dinwiddie and 17


I think she responded to the wrong tweet...probably meant that response to this one.

Read on Twitter


6 is plenty for Dinwiddie and 17, Don't need TJ and they probably want to shed salary to get the max slots. But I kind of doubt they would trade Dinwiddie until they see what happens with DLo unless they already know they will absolutely match any offer for him.


Edit: Oops...just saw WG already posted this tweet from Dinwiddie.



So, how does this work from a cap perspective though - Dinwiddie and 17 is probably around 12m going out - the 6th pick is 5.6m or thereabouts. Suns would lose about 7m of cap space. Granted, they are getting their PG.
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Post#1919 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:40 pm

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How would people rank their preference here?

I think there are two tiers...Collison/Beverley and Joseph/McConnell.

I would probably, if healthy, lean Beverley for our team due to his intensity and personality and being a tone setter. Both of Collison and Beverley shoot around 40% from 3 and have above avg efficiency overall. Both also have close to a 4/1 ast/to ratio so both are smart players with the ball and solid shooters. Beverley is the better defender but Collison is fine on that end...at least neutral.

One edge Collison has other than shooting his he is more of a playmaker than the others so he would likely get others more involved.

I do feel there might be a better chance the Clips keep Beverley (if they can)..despite having the three rookies and Lou, especially if they only get one max guy (or none).

Joseph is actually the best defender of the bunch but is not quite as good shooting. I have always loved TJ being an AZ guy but he's at the bottom. Not much of a shooter (ok % from 3 but on very low volume).

Comparison http://bkref.com/tiny/uUPuQ

So I'd probably go with::

Beverley/Collison (slightly lean Beverley) - toss up pros and cons for both...Bev..better D, tone setter, but injury prone; Collison, better shooter, passer, health

Joseph/McConnell (slightly lean Joseph) - Joseph solid defender, 4/1 ast/to ratio, ok shooter....McConnell 3/1 ast/to ratio, ok defender, scrappy


Its Gambo, so i dont buy it one bit. Yeah, im sure its probably what was said to him by his FO source (Probably Jones or Sarver himself), but honestly, what else are they supposed to say? The moment you tell people the #6 is available and how you were looking to trade it for Lonzo Ball, the value becomes severely diminished.

As for the players, i chuckle a bit. Look, i like TJ and all, He would be our 3rd TJ on the team, but he isnt starting PG material. So i question his name on the list. Once i question one name on the list, i have to question the list as a whole.

My PatBev love is real and he would be at the top of my list (Out of those names). Could also be had for the cheapest (Besides McConnell because he isnt a starting PG). Only difficult thing is would he want to be here, or play for a playoff contender, which im sure many will want him.

I dont really care about Collison or CoJo. I question why Indiana would be looking elsewhere for someone else to take over the reigns. Joseph is still a young buck while Collison is the old dog. Now Bowers did draft Collison and loves the kid, so i think our FO might have a preference of the two, but im either or at this point and would rather trade for a better PG than to grab one of these two.
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Post#1920 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 10:42 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
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Not sure what the parameters would be if Nevel is right - or maybe she is being facetious and playing along :)


Warren and 6 for Dinwiddie and 17


I think she responded to the wrong tweet...probably meant that response to this one.

Read on Twitter


6 is plenty for Dinwiddie and 17, Don't need TJ and they probably want to shed salary to get the max slots. But I kind of doubt they would trade Dinwiddie until they see what happens with DLo unless they already know they will absolutely match any offer for him.


Edit: Oops...just saw WG already posted this tweet from Dinwiddie.



So, how does this work from a cap perspective though - Dinwiddie and 17 is probably around 12m going out - the 6th pick is 5.6m or thereabouts. Suns would lose about 7m of cap space. Granted, they are getting their PG.


I doubt they want another wing unless it's a superstar, given they have Harris, LeVert, Kurucs and Musa....and one more year of Crabbe, though if they go for two max guys they may try and dump him.

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